as it looks now, who has the better future|NJ vs NY

[jeff1624]

^^ You mean you want me to base my opinion on what Warriors fan think? The same guys that dubbed him ''magic'' randolph?? the same guys that say Monta Ellis > Brandon Roy... ha.. no thanks.

[Sundov]

^^ You mean you want me to base my opinion on what Warriors fan think? The same guys that dubbed him ''magic'' randolph?? the same guys that say Monta Ellis > Brandon Roy... ha.. no thanks.

There are always stupid homer fans that overrate players, just like how i have read by some people on these boards that favors could be the next dwight howard or that devin harris is actually a good point guard. My point was that if you really want to see the value of randolph do some reading about him and actually watch some of his games. Look at his PER, his production, the fact that he's 6'11 with the ball handling of lamar odom and the athleticism of a young garnett and is not even 21 yet.

Don Nelson puts guys in his dog house every single season and ran a young chris webber out of town after his rookie year. He is known to have the biggest ego out of all the coaches in the league, and has an obsession with playing a run and gun offense with no defense. The golden sate front office have also obeyed his wishes for the past few years and how has that worked out for them?? They got one of the worst rosters in the league and have no cap space at all. When judging the value of players I'd rather watch players for myself and take a good look at their potential and stats rather than placing so much importance on what the golden state front office thinks.

[BLACKFEET 2010]

Hey, I'm a Knick fan but I'm not a Net hater. I think the Nets have future stars in Lopez, TWill and Favors. The Knicks have a star in Amare (3 years removed from knee issues mind you) and potential breakout guys in Gallinari, Randolph, Wilson, Walker and even Mosgov (so I hear but I ain't seen him so...). I will try my best to be fair when assessing each teams' present and future.

Amare vs. Lopez.....Amare is proven. Lopez is younger and a true center but Amare is the best finisher in the business on the pick and roll. And he has proven so even when Steve Nash wasn't the one feeding him the rock.
Amare.

Randolph vs. Favors....Both young with incredible upside, Randolph has actually played in an NBA game so that gives him a little bit of a leg up on Favors. Favors projects to be a prototypical 4-man in the league. He will be a fantastic player but Anthony has taken his talents out on the floor and has shone his mettle. If both get it, one can be KG and the other one could be Dwight Howard....which would leave both fanbases more than satisfied. But there are too many variables to fairly say who is the better prospect.
Tie.

Gallo vs. Outlaw....Gallo is already one of the leagues best 3pt marksmen and those that have watched him from day one can tell you, the dude is way more than a shooter. The guy has balls and the desire and work ethic to be an All-Star one day. Outlaw is a fringe starter with fantastic athleticism and length...a better clutch shooter than given credit for also.....but it is fair to assume he has reached his ceiling. An unbiased and educated eye wouldn't hesitate to call Gallo the better player.
Gallo.

Chandler vs. TWill...Wilson is a stud. Quiet but deadly. He lacks range and advanced ball-handling but he is unselfish and versatile. TWill is on the verge of being a big-time player. He is an elite athlete with a good feel for the game.
TWill.

Felton vs. Harris....Felton ain't no slouch but Harris is a former All-Star and has Final's experience. There is no debate.
Harris.

Douglas vs. Farmar...We have yet to see Farmar show what he can do in an offense that isn't the triangle or so dominated by a star (KB) like in L.A. TD has shown to be a very, very good defender and crafty, tough shotmaker. He is not a point guard by classic definition but when he's on the court he usually yields pretty good returns. And he's getting better. Farmar is, at this point just what he is.
Douglas.

Walker vs. Lee....Walker jumps out the gym and shoots it well from deep. He (SL performance not withstanding) plays within himself and doesn't force things. He does not rebound or defend but he has lost a ton of weight which may help in these areas. Lee has regressed from his form of two years ago when he seemed poised for breakout. He was easily on the Nets' lower tier of guards this past season and has been pretty disappointing since his acquisition. I won't say Lee can't come back with a strong year but as it stands, Walker has more upside, youth and opportunity of reaching his ceiling.
Walker.

Azu vs. Morrow....Azu is more complete but Morrow is the far superior shooter. Azu is coming of a horrible knee injury and right now is more of a question mark than anything. AM can go on huge bursts. He is a bit one-dimensional but as a lot of theses guys will attest, Nellie wants certain things from certain guys and if you can shoot, he's gonna let you. This kid is a bonafide sniper.
Morrow.

Turiaf vs. Humprhies....Both similarly undersized, energy guys have their moments but are basic back ups. I give Turiaf the slightest of edges because of experience and he can competently play the 5 while Humph is more of a 4 exclusively. Basically a wash but I'd go with Ronny because of the intangibles.
Turiaf.

Fields vs. D. James....James was more of a known commodity while Fields has seemingly come out of nowhere and played well enough to justify his being drafted. Both have motors and are big time athletes. Fields is more of a 3/2 and James a 3/4. Both need to improve their handle and shot but so far so good. Both will be rotation guys and fringe starters sooner than later. I'd give the nod to James because he will rebound and defend like a pro from day one in the NBA.
James.

D'Antoni vs. Avery Johnson....D'Antoni is the most imitated coach in this era of NBA basketball. Avery has a historic winning percentage and had his team in the Finals. D'Antoni has developed some incredible talents along the way and helped Nash become the two-time MVP that he is. Debating that is foolish. They (he, STAT and D'Antoni) all were vital to each others success. Avery changed Dirk's game for the better and he became an MVP under his regime. Avery is the guy you'd go to war for and Mike is the guy you'd wanna play for. Will Devin, Lopez or TWill be better with his tutelage? Or will his taskmaster-style prodding eventually turn them against him? Mike has major flaws but it is clear that he will get the most out of his guys particularly on the offensive side of the ball. If I had to trust one with my son's career, I'd have to say Avery is the guy.
Avery Johnson.

Dolan vs. Proky...Dolan will spend and has proven it (with uneven results prior to this summer). The Russian has talked a good one but has done nothing so far in the NBA to justify the intrigue. The billboard was tasteless and all-around "amateur-hour". Dolan has been a bit of a stubborn prick but since hiring Walsh, he has butted out of basketball decisions and still has been willing to spend to better the team. His decision-making and hiring do leave something to be desired but during Donnie's tenure he has actually been....well, great. We don't know what will be the end-all but so far I have no complaints about how he is running the team...or rather letting Walsh run the team.
Dolan.

Nets future: Young and talented with complete control over their future draft picks. An owner with a great rep of getting what he wants and a coach that will keep his troops accountable is a bright future. Lopez and Williams are locks to be good players and Favors has all the upside in the world. The Nets have flexibility and can add some big time talent if it's maintained. Bottom line is the Nets have no where to go but up. Playoffs would be huge but is not really expected outside of the optimistic fanbase. They may end up turning those draft picks into high selections that turn out to be studs. And I think if that's the best expectation then the future cannot be as bright as the Knicks.

Knicks future: The Knick's future is closer to the present but that isn't to say they aren't a young crew in their own right. Amare gives credibility and Felton, stability when they step on the court. The tandem at forward in Gallo and Randolph is oozing with potential and both have the mentality to get a lot better as pros in the Garden. Amare and Turiaf are the oldest Knicks and neither is 28 years old yet. Walker, Fields and TD show real promise. GS's second rounders that came in the David Lee deal ain't bad either to combine with Houston's first rounder (swap with NYK in TMac deal) as far as restocking the cupboard with cheap talent in the future. The Knicks are set up to get another MAX contract next year and they will be able to put a team on the floor as opposed to a bunch of contracts this coming season. D'Antoni finally has his horses. Expectations for now are tempered but rightly warranted.

Sheesh. It's about a tie in my eyes. I think the Nets will have a spike in winning considering last season and I think the Knicks will be right where most think they'll be; battling for a 6-7-8 seed.
Neither are world-beating feats but both teams are in position to win now and win bigger in the future. And if that is the case, it negates the Knicks giving away a future first in the TMac trade. Both teams are stacked with youth, now it'll be about either consolidating assets and pairing Amare and Lopez with the appropriate upgrade in "sidekick" (or lead dog, hence making both "the sidekick").
I give a slight edge to the Knicks because of a proven coach, GM, owner and star. That and the farm is closer to realizing their potential than the Nets' prospects. So for the brightest future....
I give the New York Knicks the slightest of edges over the Nets.
Feel free to flame but I feel I couldn't be more fair....and if so, not by much.

[enetric]

Wow. The most 'homeristic' post of all time (Is that word? It is now.)

First of all the Knicks WILL have a max contract to give out next season. Curry, Turiaf and Chandler will expire, giving us the option to keep chandler and still have max room. Carmelo still hasn't signed that hefty extension with denver even with the lockout looming. Melo is very good friends with amare, he also loves d'antoni and he lives in new york. The chances of melo coming to new york are looking pretty good. The nets on the other hand didn't get a single top tier free agent and don't lie to yourself and pretend they weren't going for any. You guys couldn't even get carlos boozer. Unless the nets get harrison barnes and start cracking the 20 win barrier no one worth a damn will even consider coming to new jersey with or without that russian owner you have.

According to HH...Turiaf has a player option for 4 mil Expect him to pick it up since he will not make more on the open market. Chandler has a player option and is actually one of those guys you count as VALUE. Now he isnt? Please stop telling me the soap opera of Melo. Looking pretty good? You have a small shot. Read the REST of what is out there while you smugly indulge your NIxie fantasies. He LOVES Denver...and their team DESTROYS yours. He is on a top 4 team in the West. And lets not even deal with the new CBA, and what a max contract may or may not look like...and that he has until July 1, 2011 to accept his 65mil for 3 year offer to stay in Denver.

Nets wanted only THREE of the free agents. Lets understand what you are talking about before you soil yourself. We PASSED after that. Amare is a Nix for one reason and one reasdon only. YOU WERE THE ONLY TEAM IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE TO OFFER HIS UNINSURABLE ASS A CONTRACT. And that contract was ABSURD. You would have been better keeping Lee for FAR less. It was a DUMB signing...designed to make fools likel you think you got better since he is a bigger name than Lee. End of day? Bad signing. We made a reasonable offer for Boozer...only afer Bosh went off the market. He didnt come...and in the end? Good. Although he was a FAR better signing for MUCH less than you paid for Amare. We could have had Lee...also signed for a great price the guy you gave away...but opted NOT to sign him.

You say 29 wins is not much more than 12 wins?? That's more than 2 times as much. Also, the fact that you keep talking about draft picks kinda shows the state the knicks and the nets are. The knicks will probably be 7th or 8th seed next season (read around the net, I'm not the only one who thinks this) so we're not talking about a top 3 pick like you guys will be having next season. The season after that we will be swapping picks with houston and since we got a young team there is no reason to believe the knicks will be giving up a lotery pick in that swap.

What the hell does that mean you jack ass? TWO TIMES AS MUCH? WOW! That is how you measure it huh? YOU SUCKED....we sucked. In the NBA is it better to miss the playoffs and have the 12th pick...or miss and have the #3? WHICH IS BETTER?

You wouldnt know since you have missed the play offs for the entire decade and are used to someone else getting your lottery picks. You have been telling us btw...that you would be a 7th or 8th seed for everyone of those season too. You know while you were adding, Zach, Francis, Marbury, Hughes, Q, Crawford, Curry...and all the rest of the idiotic players you over paid for. I would rather win 12 like we did last year and end up with a top 5 pick than win double or triple that amount and be exactly NO WHERE a year later. Either way doesnt matter for you. THe Rockets will get the benfit of your pick when you miss the playoffs again anyway.

The difference between david lee and amare is pretty big. I was a big lee fan last season but he had HUGE holes in his game. He was stat padder who stole rebounds from teammates, played ZERO defense and never in his life drew a double team. You need a star player who can draw double teams and score 30 any given night to be a serious team. Having a team full of role players may look decent on paper but unless they are an elite defensive team they won't get many wins. That's just a fact. Look at the nets and knicks last year, they had some decent pieces but not having that go-to guys makes it hard to consistently win games.

Amare is ALSO a stat padder. Well, at least by average. Lets see him stay on the court...and btw...he also plays no defense. And even if he did...no worries Dantoni will stop that. You wont have to worry about Amare...lol..."stealing" rebounds from teammates...who btw??? So rediculous...but you wont have to worry because he is a subpar rebounder for his talent and size. You dont realize it yet...but you are still no where.

The knicks also got rid of all the players that were holding them back like harrington (biggest ball hog in the league), duhon (worst starting point guard in the history of the nba), nate (headcase), jared jeffries (worst starter in the league), larry hughes (i hate him). We replaced those guys with guys like azubuike, randolph, felton, turiaf all guys that finally fit d'antonti's run and gun system and more importantly play defense.

Duhon sucked. Nate and Harrington a year ago you were telling us with the same arrogance how special they were....another full of **** Nixie. Turiaf btw...is no better than any of those guys, worse than almost all in fact. Azuibuke is OK. Felton again...there are easily 20 starting PG's in the NBA better. He was a great move BECAUSE Duhon was the worst...and Douglas would have been the worst this year had you not done that. Congrats...7 mil to move up 9 spots. In a year when you still dont play D and still dont make the playoffs...THEN WHAT will you say?

CDR and Yi were probably in your top 5 players last season. They were solid young players that you gave up for bench guys like morrow and jordan farmar. You comparing farmar to felton is an absolute joke. I don't even want to get into that, its not worth it. I really don't see how the nets can even hope to double their win total. Looking at the East the nets are still the worst team by far. You can pray for harrison barnes, but as we've seen time and time again getting the most lottery balls doesn't guarantee you anything.

Idiot. We kept our top 5 players. Neither of them were among them. CDR...most of us are glad to see him go, he made Nate look like Gahndi. Yi was our cost of making our Lebron run and I would have traded Yi for Morrow straight up any day of the week. I even liked Yi once upon a time and I am saying that. Either way, losing him sure beats giving up Jeffries, three lottery picks, Harrington, and Nate all for cap space you didnt need to give up to get Amare. And the way you shameless dissed Lee after the fact after you all jocked his nut sack the last few years???? He was an all star last year and cost MUCH less to your cap. You decided AMARE was the star worth building around. He isnt. Lee and that cap space would have been more valuable.

As I said before, Favors is a good prospect that has a chance to be very good but could also be a bust. Guys like gallo and randolph on the other hand have proven themselves already, with both of those players getting huge props from players around the league (check out what melo, lebron and dirk had to say about gallo).

Of course he could be a bust so could Wall, but what would you know? You guys give away almost all your lottery picks like they are meaningless when that is where you find the majority of all stars in this league.

Yes, Gallo is a nice prospect. Too bad you passed on Brook a MUCH better one from the same draft. Randolph I like. He had a handful of good games at the end of 2009. But, did you see him last year? A big time set back season. Dont count your chickens just yet.

And I don't know why you keep bringing up the fact that the knicks sucked over the past 10 years. We all know that, you don't need to remind us. But this thread is about the future, not the past.

Are you an idiot? It gets brought up becaue you kep talking out your ass about our 12 wins last season like that is the end all be all. We have been rebuilding for 3 years and have stockpiled FAR more young talent than you have...its not even close. What exactly have you been doing these last NINE years since you havent added a single playoff win in ANY OF THEM.

BTW...in that glorious 12 win season on the way to adding the top big man in the draft....we did do one thing you should remember. We BEAT YOU two out of three.

[enetric]

^^Im not gonna go into detail regarding our 12 win season.. if you're too dumb to understand the situation we went through last season, then I have no interest in explaining it to you.

What I am interested is... what exactly has Randolph proven except for the fact that he can't stay on the court to save his life.. What about being traded away in his 3rd year by a rebuilding team??

Now ask yourself this, if the Nets had called GS and offered them Favors for Randolph.. what would have been their answer?? I thought so..

I want you to go and read the GState boards about the randolph trade. Maybe ask them what they think about it. Come back after you've done that and maybe we can have a proper discussion about the guy.

And don't give me the excuse that the nets were tanking. So did a bunch of other teams that wanted the first pick. The nets didn't win a game in the first 20+ games they played, are you gonna tell me they were tanking from the get go. Was that all a part of lawrence frank's plan to get fired??
The fact is that the nets won 12 games and have barely improved their roster for this season. 20 games is going to be hard to reach.

Sure...as soon as you go and ask them what they thought abut Morrow the guy you dismissed as nothing who most are calling the best shooter in the NBA. You giant ignorant trolling homer.

Nets werent tanking. They were rebuilding. What was your excuse for being awful?

And honestly...i can only HOPE that if we dont make a major trade that we only win 20 games. Without question...being awful in the NBA is better than being in the middle...or int he case of the Nix....the very bottom of the middle. A place you have clearly gotten used to after a decade of doing it.

[jerseyjac]

Sundov, remember where you're posting...

[Sundov]

I honestly don't know how to reply to enetric's argument without being seen as trolling so I won't even try. I just stated my opinion on topic and now enetric started calling me a jackass. I guess its impossible to have an argument with somebody who keeps bringing up the fact that the knicks haven't won a playoff game in 10 years in a thread about the FUTURE. I brought up the fact that nets won 12 games because that is a reflection of this nets roster because they have more or less the same team as last season. See the difference?

The Knicks will have max room at the end of this season. Curry + Azubuike + chandler expiring gives us max room. Donnie Walsh said so himself. Plus the knicks got another 10mil+ expiring the year after. That's a lot of flexibility to have for a very young playoff contending team.

The difference between 12 and 29 games is huge. The knicks shouldn't be celebrating because they doubled the nets win total, its more about how sorry the last season for the nets was. And since then they got of rid of some rotation guys and added some rotations guys, plus they added a raw lottery pick who is a huge boom-bust prospect. And since the nets didn't get any elite free agents it looks like they're going to go the 'bottom out and pray for top 3 pick mode' which they already started to do last season. I wish the nets luck with the lottery balls, I really do.

Again I don't mean to troll, I've just stated my opinion. I didn't get personal, I didn't start name calling or put down the nets roster. I was just comparing rosters and stating my opinion. But I do understand how this is a Nets board and after reading a lot of posts in this thread that I didn't agree with I got sucked into it and I apologise if I crossed the line and entered into 'trolling' territory. I won't post here again.

[Preludepunk27]

This is why I said this thread should be locked because you know we'd have a short bus knick fan spitting venom over here. Does the Knicks board have a headline post on their board saying "Stay off the Nets board" like we do.

Either way we can talk about financials translating into wins.

According to Sundov, he thinks the Knicks can win 35-40 games. That's a 17.1-27.5% increase to last year while his Nets projection is 40-52% increase...and we still have over $14 million in cap room, a solid young guy in every position and 10 draft picks over the next 3 drafts. May not be the flashy pick, but if you think about it Sundov, you're still not a playoff team, we improved by a much greater percentage and have more attractive assets.

Just to add though, your "12 win" argument shows you how little you know about the organization you're bashing. We had talent in our positions. We dealt with some injuries to important players the entire season. Harris, Dooling and Hayes as well as Yi all missed significant time...the first three were important to a large % of our scoring. On top of that we didn't have a coach. I repeat We Didn't Have A Coach. Kiki didn't want to coach and read up on the situation and you'll see he actually didn't coach a lick. Defense was an afterthought (much like Kiki's playing days) and we actually barely had an offensive system. I mean, we actually didn't even have a set out of bounds or baseline play. We also let the league in blown 4th quarter leads. With slightly betting coaching (Even Opie would have sufficed), our record would have improved. I'm not saying it would have improved a great deal or anything, but we did beat some good teams as well as came up close an awful lot. I'm just making the point that the talent was there unlike what you may think. We finished the season strong and that was honestly due to the players taking ownership of the team. It says a lot about the character of that roster and their will to win as well. But it's like talking to a wall in a conversation about this because Knick fans are blinded by their own ego and the new york media.

Just saying, you don't understand the other side of the argument in any capacity which is why, throughout the RealGM-World, there is a collective understanding: Do not try to argue/debate with a Knick fan. It's pointless to think see someone elses views.

Remember too, you were the one that made this a hostile thread by your initial post. We were trying to be as cordial as possible because I knew Knicks fans would get hot under the collar immediately because of being the inferior team in the area for the better part of a decade.

[treiz]

I honestly don't know how to reply to enetric's argument without being seen as trolling so I won't even try. I just stated my opinion on topic and now enetric started calling me a jackass. I guess its impossible to have an argument with somebody who keeps bringing up the fact that the knicks haven't won a playoff game in 10 years in a thread about the FUTURE. I brought up the fact that nets won 12 games because that is a reflection of this nets roster because they have more or less the same team as last season. See the difference?

The Knicks will have max room at the end of this season. Curry + Azubuike + chandler expiring gives us max room. Donnie Walsh said so himself. Plus the knicks got another 10mil+ expiring the year after. That's a lot of flexibility to have for a very young playoff contending team.

The difference between 12 and 29 games is huge. The knicks shouldn't be celebrating because they doubled the nets win total, its more about how sorry the last season for the nets was. And since then they got of rid of some rotation guys and added some rotations guys, plus they added a raw lottery pick who is a huge boom-bust prospect. And since the nets didn't get any elite free agents it looks like they're going to go the 'bottom out and pray for top 3 pick mode' which they already started to do last season. I wish the nets luck with the lottery balls, I really do.

Again I don't mean to troll, I've just stated my opinion. I didn't get personal, I didn't start name calling or put down the nets roster. I was just comparing rosters and stating my opinion. But I do understand how this is a Nets board and after reading a lot of posts in this thread that I didn't agree with I got sucked into it and I apologise if I crossed the line and entered into 'trolling' territory. I won't post here again.

OK, I'm going to try and answer this as polite as possible.

Firstly, fair enough we won 12 games but the fact of the matter is, there were plenty of reason why that happened. And all of them were the worst possible things to happen to a rebuilding, young team. Coach fired at the beginning of the season only to be replaced by a dunce of a coach, 70-80% of the team was pretty much injured at one point (CDR even had swine flu...lol), guys like CDR being a prima-donna, Yi sucking left, right and center, some disgruntled players in our roster(expected if you were on track to have the worst record in history). That's why I'm always annoyed when people use the "12 wins" bullcrap, because it doesn't really reflect the talent we had. The reason why E mentioned the fact that you guys have had 9 consecutive losing season is mainly because you brought up the past, and coming from a Knicks fan, that's not really the best thing to do

The reason why the Knicks may not land Carmelo Anthony is because of money. Now, let's put you in his shoes, Denver offers you a $61million contract for 3 years and with the new CBA creeping in, would you really opt out of that? Considering also, Denver are a legit title contender, whilst the Knicks on the other hand are still quite unproven. Anything can happen this season, especially with the Amare's injury record, it's not just about his knees but his eye also.

The difference between 12 and 29 wins is big...numerically. But that's it. No matter how you look at it, that's the only way in which that's a good thing. 29 is a higher number than 12. Now fair enough, we were awful and we were unlucky to be in the circumstances we were put last season(read first paragraph again just in case). The only rotation guys we got rid of is CDR and Yi, and we needed to get rid of them because: a)Yi was used in order to make the chances of getting 2 max free agents this year possible, and b)CDR was a headcase, we got a pick for him and some cap for him, which I think was pretty good, no one in the Nets fanbase and organisation wanted him here. We added:

Morrow (great signing)
Farmar (cheap contract for a back-up PG for the opt injured Harris)
Outlaw (Apparently Avery wanted him, we needed a 3, but otherwise didn't realy like the contract)
Petro (3 years, 10 mil ain't bad for a back-up big)
Favors (like you said big boom-bust, but at the end of the day he's 18/19, he has PLENTY of time)

Now, OK we didn't land any top free agents, the Nets management predicted that this could happen, and now we're in Plan B. Continue rebuilding through the draft and hope to find that superstar there. Which IMO is 10x better than being a borderline play-off team who again is hoping for a longshot that Melo doesn't sign for Denver, because let's be honest, after that, then what?

[Lamak]

You guys type some long posts.: :O

[treiz]

^It kinda helps to get the point across

[namakiri]

Future - please define.

The nets have a brighter future in a sense that in the next 3-5 years, they will look better than the Knicks because they are alot younger. But in this immediate season and perhaps the next 2 seasons, the Knicks will look better than the Nets. However the Knicks could always land young talent by trading off guys like amare, felton, and others in the future. So because I believe the Knicks have stronger and more stable assets vs. the nets more numerous assets, my vote is the Knicks.

WHile the Knicks ''land young talents'' dealing Amare in his 30's and felton(really??) we have the most picks in the next 3 years out of any team in the league..

Add that to Favors, Lopez, Twill, Lee, Morrow and James compared to Gallinari, Randolph, Douglas, Rautins and Chandler.. I'd say the Nets edge out the knicks.

I'm not saying we're a better team right now.. because we aren't. But in the next 2-3 years, we will be.

That is exactly why I said define future. We have more numerous assets that will blossom soon enough. But they have more blossomed assets as of right now.

[namakiri]

Future - please define.

The nets have a brighter future in a sense that in the next 3-5 years, they will look better than the Knicks because they are alot younger. But in this immediate season and perhaps the next 2 seasons, the Knicks will look better than the Nets. However the Knicks could always land young talent by trading off guys like amare, felton, and others in the future. So because I believe the Knicks have stronger and more stable assets vs. the nets more numerous assets, my vote is the Knicks.

WHile the Knicks ''land young talents'' dealing Amare in his 30's and felton(really??) we have the most picks in the next 3 years out of any team in the league..

Add that to Favors, Lopez, Twill, Lee, Morrow and James compared to Gallinari, Randolph, Douglas, Rautins and Chandler.. I'd say the Nets edge out the knicks.

I'm not saying we're a better team right now.. because we aren't. But in the next 2-3 years, we will be.

That is exactly why I said define future. We have more numerous assets that will blossom soon enough. But they have more blossomed assets as of right now.

Hey, I'm a Knick fan but I'm not a Net hater. I think the Nets have future stars in Lopez, TWill and Favors. The Knicks have a star in Amare (3 years removed from knee issues mind you) and potential breakout guys in Gallinari, Randolph, Wilson, Walker and even Mosgov (so I hear but I ain't seen him so...). I will try my best to be fair when assessing each teams' present and future.

Amare vs. Lopez.....Amare is proven. Lopez is younger and a true center but Amare is the best finisher in the business on the pick and roll. And he has proven so even when Steve Nash wasn't the one feeding him the rock.
Amare.

Randolph vs. Favors....Both young with incredible upside, Randolph has actually played in an NBA game so that gives him a little bit of a leg up on Favors. Favors projects to be a prototypical 4-man in the league. He will be a fantastic player but Anthony has taken his talents out on the floor and has shone his mettle. If both get it, one can be KG and the other one could be Dwight Howard....which would leave both fanbases more than satisfied. But there are too many variables to fairly say who is the better prospect.
Tie.

Gallo vs. Outlaw....Gallo is already one of the leagues best 3pt marksmen and those that have watched him from day one can tell you, the dude is way more than a shooter. The guy has balls and the desire and work ethic to be an All-Star one day. Outlaw is a fringe starter with fantastic athleticism and length...a better clutch shooter than given credit for also.....but it is fair to assume he has reached his ceiling. An unbiased and educated eye wouldn't hesitate to call Gallo the better player.
Gallo.

Chandler vs. TWill...Wilson is a stud. Quiet but deadly. He lacks range and advanced ball-handling but he is unselfish and versatile. TWill is on the verge of being a big-time player. He is an elite athlete with a good feel for the game.
TWill.

Felton vs. Harris....Felton ain't no slouch but Harris is a former All-Star and has Final's experience. There is no debate.
Harris.

Douglas vs. Farmar...We have yet to see Farmar show what he can do in an offense that isn't the triangle or so dominated by a star (KB) like in L.A. TD has shown to be a very, very good defender and crafty, tough shotmaker. He is not a point guard by classic definition but when he's on the court he usually yields pretty good returns. And he's getting better. Farmar is, at this point just what he is.
Douglas.

Walker vs. Lee....Walker jumps out the gym and shoots it well from deep. He (SL performance not withstanding) plays within himself and doesn't force things. He does not rebound or defend but he has lost a ton of weight which may help in these areas. Lee has regressed from his form of two years ago when he seemed poised for breakout. He was easily on the Nets' lower tier of guards this past season and has been pretty disappointing since his acquisition. I won't say Lee can't come back with a strong year but as it stands, Walker has more upside, youth and opportunity of reaching his ceiling.
Walker.

Azu vs. Morrow....Azu is more complete but Morrow is the far superior shooter. Azu is coming of a horrible knee injury and right now is more of a question mark than anything. AM can go on huge bursts. He is a bit one-dimensional but as a lot of theses guys will attest, Nellie wants certain things from certain guys and if you can shoot, he's gonna let you. This kid is a bonafide sniper.
Morrow.

Turiaf vs. Humprhies....Both similarly undersized, energy guys have their moments but are basic back ups. I give Turiaf the slightest of edges because of experience and he can competently play the 5 while Humph is more of a 4 exclusively. Basically a wash but I'd go with Ronny because of the intangibles.
Turiaf.

Fields vs. D. James....James was more of a known commodity while Fields has seemingly come out of nowhere and played well enough to justify his being drafted. Both have motors and are big time athletes. Fields is more of a 3/2 and James a 3/4. Both need to improve their handle and shot but so far so good. Both will be rotation guys and fringe starters sooner than later. I'd give the nod to James because he will rebound and defend like a pro from day one in the NBA.
James.

D'Antoni vs. Avery Johnson....D'Antoni is the most imitated coach in this era of NBA basketball. Avery has a historic winning percentage and had his team in the Finals. D'Antoni has developed some incredible talents along the way and helped Nash become the two-time MVP that he is. Debating that is foolish. They (he, STAT and D'Antoni) all were vital to each others success. Avery changed Dirk's game for the better and he became an MVP under his regime. Avery is the guy you'd go to war for and Mike is the guy you'd wanna play for. Will Devin, Lopez or TWill be better with his tutelage? Or will his taskmaster-style prodding eventually turn them against him? Mike has major flaws but it is clear that he will get the most out of his guys particularly on the offensive side of the ball. If I had to trust one with my son's career, I'd have to say Avery is the guy.
Avery Johnson.

Dolan vs. Proky...Dolan will spend and has proven it (with uneven results prior to this summer). The Russian has talked a good one but has done nothing so far in the NBA to justify the intrigue. The billboard was tasteless and all-around "amateur-hour". Dolan has been a bit of a stubborn prick but since hiring Walsh, he has butted out of basketball decisions and still has been willing to spend to better the team. His decision-making and hiring do leave something to be desired but during Donnie's tenure he has actually been....well, great. We don't know what will be the end-all but so far I have no complaints about how he is running the team...or rather letting Walsh run the team.
Dolan.

Nets future: Young and talented with complete control over their future draft picks. An owner with a great rep of getting what he wants and a coach that will keep his troops accountable is a bright future. Lopez and Williams are locks to be good players and Favors has all the upside in the world. The Nets have flexibility and can add some big time talent if it's maintained. Bottom line is the Nets have no where to go but up. Playoffs would be huge but is not really expected outside of the optimistic fanbase. They may end up turning those draft picks into high selections that turn out to be studs. And I think if that's the best expectation then the future cannot be as bright as the Knicks.

Knicks future: The Knick's future is closer to the present but that isn't to say they aren't a young crew in their own right. Amare gives credibility and Felton, stability when they step on the court. The tandem at forward in Gallo and Randolph is oozing with potential and both have the mentality to get a lot better as pros in the Garden. Amare and Turiaf are the oldest Knicks and neither is 28 years old yet. Walker, Fields and TD show real promise. GS's second rounders that came in the David Lee deal ain't bad either to combine with Houston's first rounder (swap with NYK in TMac deal) as far as restocking the cupboard with cheap talent in the future. The Knicks are set up to get another MAX contract next year and they will be able to put a team on the floor as opposed to a bunch of contracts this coming season. D'Antoni finally has his horses. Expectations for now are tempered but rightly warranted.

Sheesh. It's about a tie in my eyes. I think the Nets will have a spike in winning considering last season and I think the Knicks will be right where most think they'll be; battling for a 6-7-8 seed.
Neither are world-beating feats but both teams are in position to win now and win bigger in the future. And if that is the case, it negates the Knicks giving away a future first in the TMac trade. Both teams are stacked with youth, now it'll be about either consolidating assets and pairing Amare and Lopez with the appropriate upgrade in "sidekick" (or lead dog, hence making both "the sidekick").
I give a slight edge to the Knicks because of a proven coach, GM, owner and star. That and the farm is closer to realizing their potential than the Nets' prospects. So for the brightest future....
I give the New York Knicks the slightest of edges over the Nets.
Feel free to flame but I feel I couldn't be more fair....and if so, not by much.

Well put. Couldnt agree more.

[Netaman]

Billy Walker - 6.2 ppg, 64 career games over 3 seasons. Not better then Courtney Lee if your going by value. In fact, not even close.

Tony Douglas doesn't come anywhere close Jordan Farmar, who is a proven NBA PG capable of playing minutes in big games. Again not even close.

Favors vs. Randolph. "Hard to say who is a better prospect" - actually it's not. Favors has a lot more value then Anthony Randolph and again it's not close. If the Knicks were offered Favors for Randolph straight up it would be the heist of century. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional.

Charles Dolan isn't a better owner then anyone. On this plant. In this galaxy.

Other then that the rest is fair. Considering Lopez makes no money its not really fair to compare him to Amare. Anyone would take similar production for 90% less $ but Amare will be the best player on either team by a pretty healthy margin next season so the Knicks have a clear advantage there.

[NYKAL]

I honestly don't know how to reply to enetric's argument without being seen as trolling so I won't even try. I just stated my opinion on topic and now enetric started calling me a jackass. I guess its impossible to have an argument with somebody who keeps bringing up the fact that the knicks haven't won a playoff game in 10 years in a thread about the FUTURE. I brought up the fact that nets won 12 games because that is a reflection of this nets roster because they have more or less the same team as last season. See the difference?

The Knicks will have max room at the end of this season. Curry + Azubuike + chandler expiring gives us max room. Donnie Walsh said so himself. Plus the knicks got another 10mil+ expiring the year after. That's a lot of flexibility to have for a very young playoff contending team.

The difference between 12 and 29 games is huge. The knicks shouldn't be celebrating because they doubled the nets win total, its more about how sorry the last season for the nets was. And since then they got of rid of some rotation guys and added some rotations guys, plus they added a raw lottery pick who is a huge boom-bust prospect. And since the nets didn't get any elite free agents it looks like they're going to go the 'bottom out and pray for top 3 pick mode' which they already started to do last season. I wish the nets luck with the lottery balls, I really do.

Again I don't mean to troll, I've just stated my opinion. I didn't get personal, I didn't start name calling or put down the nets roster. I was just comparing rosters and stating my opinion. But I do understand how this is a Nets board and after reading a lot of posts in this thread that I didn't agree with I got sucked into it and I apologise if I crossed the line and entered into 'trolling' territory. I won't post here again.

keep it up and he'll start stalking you next