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Re: Realgm Grades the Beasley and Ridnour Deals (from main page) 

Post#21 » by Esohny » Fri Jul 23, 2010 11:44 pm

That trade with the Pacers that would have gotten us Paul George is looking even better now. Although, it was looking pretty damn good at the time. Ugh.
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Re: Realgm Grades the Beasley and Ridnour Deals (from main page) 

Post#22 » by revprodeji » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:23 am

I think it was clear Sessions did not fit. So we move him as an asset. Ridnour brings shooting, better defense and a vet presence. He is simply a better player for what we are trying to do the Sessions is. Giving that deal an F makes no sense.

Flynn is not a long term player here. He will be given more minutes to increase his value, but I think the second we can confirm Rubio is coming you will see Flynn moved. He needs to improve his defense more he gets real trade value. A team that uses pick/role and allows for a ball dominate pg that wants to get in the paint will benefit from Flynn. But he needs to be at least an average defender first.

We are slowly transitioning from the asset stage to the foundation stage. Anyone who was here before Rambis/Ronzone should be seen as assets first.
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Re: Realgm Grades the Beasley and Ridnour Deals (from main page) 

Post#23 » by Iommi » Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:55 pm

Foye wrote:
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see the bigger picture ... 3-1 = 2 :o


You have to get rid of Sessions first before you can subtract him. We should've just kept Sessions and not added Ridnour. Ridnour won't be much better than Sessions was last season playing behind Jonny Flynn.

That's not the issue, though. Luke Ridnour is now the only Timberwolf who knows what it takes to have an NBA career. People sleep on how much veteran presence means in a locker room. It doesn't provide a giant competitive advantage or anything, but if you don't have one it does creat a giant competitive disadvantage.
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Post#24 » by horaceworthy » Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:32 pm

It's nice to have some guys with playoff experience now as well, limited as it might be, with Webster, Ridnour, Beasley, even Darko had a series as a non mop up guy on a playoff team in Orlando.
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Re: Realgm Grades the Beasley and Ridnour Deals (from main page) 

Post#25 » by shrink » Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:59 pm

revprodeji wrote: Flynn is not a long term player here. He will be given more minutes to increase his value, but I think the second we can confirm Rubio is coming you will see Flynn moved. He needs to improve his defense more he gets real trade value. A team that uses pick/role and allows for a ball dominate pg that wants to get in the paint will benefit from Flynn. But he needs to be at least an average defender first.

We are slowly transitioning from the asset stage to the foundation stage. Anyone who was here before Rambis/Ronzone should be seen as assets first.


Were you surprised that Kahn turned down the #10 for Flynn?
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Post#26 » by revprodeji » Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:00 am

Honestly yes. The double talk is annoying.

1.) We loved Paul George yet somehow foolishly thought he would last to 16.

2.) At the end of the season we would have easily moved Flynn for very little. Yet, when the pacers offer legit value we turn it down convinced that Flynn will increase his value this year. Did Kahn not look at the draft prospects for next year?
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Post#27 » by moss_is_1 » Tue Jul 27, 2010 1:09 am

revprodeji wrote:Honestly yes. The double talk is annoying.

1.) We loved Paul George yet somehow foolishly thought he would last to 16.

2.) At the end of the season we would have easily moved Flynn for very little. Yet, when the pacers offer legit value we turn it down convinced that Flynn will increase his value this year. Did Kahn not look at the draft prospects for next year?

Unless he thinks Flynn can really improve his value and he thinks our pick+Flynn will get us up a slot or 2 for Barnes or Perry Jones? I doubt it though.
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Post#28 » by shrink » Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:10 pm

revprodeji wrote:Honestly yes. The double talk is annoying.

1.) We loved Paul George yet somehow foolishly thought he would last to 16.

2.) At the end of the season we would have easily moved Flynn for very little. Yet, when the pacers offer legit value we turn it down convinced that Flynn will increase his value this year. Did Kahn not look at the draft prospects for next year?


Hmm .. with the information about the hip, perhaps we knew Flynn wouldn't pass a physical? When did he get this injury?
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Post#29 » by Worm Guts » Tue Jul 27, 2010 4:13 pm

shrink wrote:
revprodeji wrote:Honestly yes. The double talk is annoying.

1.) We loved Paul George yet somehow foolishly thought he would last to 16.

2.) At the end of the season we would have easily moved Flynn for very little. Yet, when the pacers offer legit value we turn it down convinced that Flynn will increase his value this year. Did Kahn not look at the draft prospects for next year?


Hmm .. with the information about the hip, perhaps we knew Flynn wouldn't pass a physical? When did he get this injury?


He missed the last game of the season because of it. I do think it's a possibility that he wasn't traded because he couldn't pass a physical.
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Re: Realgm Grades the Beasley and Ridnour Deals (from main page) 

Post#30 » by revprodeji » Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:22 pm

eyeteeth wrote: Haven't we been through this, though? How on earth does he defend NBA 2-guards while standing 6' tall? And if they just switch off on D, OK, but then he still has to shoot over guys 5-6" taller than he does..
I'm not against 2 PGs in principle; it could work. But is Jonny the guy? I doubt it.


Most teams do not have two 6'7 hyper athletic SG to play all 48 minutes. The idea of a "combo" guard is kind of based on the small speed line up or "2nd" line up. Instead of the classic 5-4-3-2-1 you get a 2-F, 3-G situation. In this idea you can play two pg's easily. Rubio can defend the bench level SG. We are not implying he defends Kobe, but I think he can take Sasha. (Not saying this would be my plan, just explaining what I could see)

Worm Guts wrote:He missed the last game of the season because of it. I do think it's a possibility that he wasn't traded because he couldn't pass a physical.


I do not know why I have not thought of this. Good insight Wormy. That would explain the Catch-22 in my info.

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