Portland / Minnesota

[Devilzsidewalk]

2 separate simultaneous trades

Rudy Fernandez and Bayless for D West
Przybilla for Brewer

making it Bayless/Rudy/Przybilla for West/Brewer

Wolves buy out Przybilla and send his ass back to Portland or wherever he wants to go. Now we got the bodies to make some consolidation trades midseason w/ Bayless and Rudy on board

[Mcfale313]

then we still have log jams in guard positions, especially PG

Guards: (Rubio), Flynn, Ridnour, Bayless, Bassy, Ellington, Johnson, Webster, Fernandez

that makes bassy our 4th PG and Ellingon our 4th SG............without even counting Rubio...

[farzi]

Both of those would be rejected with the quickness

[Devilzsidewalk]

thats what they all say

[AQuintus]

If we really are going to buyout Telfair, Bayless would definitely be someone I'd be interested in for the backup spot until Flynn is healthy.

Worst case, he's another project that we could take a look at for (I'm assuming) a relatively low price tag.

Best case, he makes Flynn and Ridnour expendable and becomes the perfect combo guard 6th man to play behind and with Rubio.

[farzi]

thats what they all say

West is probably better than Bayless, but Jerryd is younger and locked in, and meshes with Roy. Plus Przybilla for Brewer doesn't do diddly for us

[touchedbyPek]

Yeah, i dont think that Portland would be willing to give away two talents, with high potential for 4.1 mil of cap space. And I dont want to give away Brewer for simply 5 mil in cap space... I dont think that would sit too well with either clubs.

[shangrila]

I don't like the logjam it would create

[GopherIt!]

West would be a great add for Portland.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Yeah, i dont think that Portland would be willing to give away two talents, with high potential for 4.1 mil of cap space. And I dont want to give away Brewer for simply 5 mil in cap space... I dont think that would sit too well with either clubs.

2 talents with high potential...where? Portland gets to avoid paying 7.4 mil for a 3rd string center coming off a major injury. I don't care how many billions Paul Allen is worth and how sweet a locker room presence Joel is, thats way too much money for his role. In exchange, they get a long athletic swing man that fits great next to Roy - unlike Fernandez and Bayless.

[farzi]

Bayless fits perfectly next to Roy, I'm not sure where that's coming from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpRMFlJujNA

He's just inconsistent, and basically had to sit out his first season and a half behind Steve Blake. If he can become consistent and slow down, he gives us what we need in a running mate: Ability to knock down a jumper (shot 39% from 3 the last 2 months of the season, and 40% in the playoffs), the ability to be a play maker (if Roy was hurt or out of the game the offense stalled), he gives a defensive effort, and he's cheap. If he can put it all together he'll be a quality starter (not a star, but a pretty great running mate for Roy).

Brewer DOESN'T fit next to Roy. He can't create and he can't shoot. He's worse than Martell Webster. Plus, you're right. 7 and a half million for your third string center is too much. However it DOESN'T mean that we need to just give him away. If we're to make ANY consolidation trade, his expiring contract is a must. Plus with the news from the head coach that he's running now and could be back by training camp, he's still nice to have around considering Oden and Camby both have prior health concerns.

And when talking about Allen, you must have forgotten the near 100 million dollars we paid to Raef LaFrentz, Darius Miles, Steve Francis, Derrick Anderson, and Shawn Kemp to not play or contribute at all.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Bayless fits perfectly next to Roy, I'm not sure where that's coming from. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpRMFlJujNA

He's just inconsistent, and basically had to sit out his first season and a half behind Steve Blake. If he can become consistent and slow down, he gives us what we need in a running mate: Ability to knock down a jumper (shot 39% from 3 the last 2 months of the season, and 40% in the playoffs), the ability to be a play maker (if Roy was hurt or out of the game the offense stalled), he gives a defensive effort, and he's cheap. If he can put it all together he'll be a quality starter (not a star, but a pretty great running mate for Roy).

Brewer DOESN'T fit next to Roy. He can't create and he can't shoot. He's worse than Martell Webster. Plus, you're right. 7 and a half million for your third string center is too much. However it DOESN'T mean that we need to just give him away. If we're to make ANY consolidation trade, his expiring contract is a must. Plus with the news from the head coach that he's running now and could be back by training camp, he's still nice to have around considering Oden and Camby both have prior health concerns.

And when talking about Allen, you must have forgotten the near 100 million dollars we paid to Raef LaFrentz, Darius Miles, Steve Francis, Derrick Anderson, and Shawn Kemp to not play or contribute at all.

I think you're right, but for different reasons. Bayless is gonna be mostly at PG this year, last year he got lots of time next to Blake, but now he's basically the guy behind Miller. Also forgot about Matthews and Babbitt, even losing Fernandez, Portland has tons of manpower at the 2/3.

Don't agree on Brewer being a bad fit though, he can't create, but he can hit the three now and has been improving every year, and he can guard both swing spots. Przybilla, I don't think he's an allowable luxury if there's any choice in the matter, and probably there isn't outside of my fake trades, having him is like you being a millionaire and having a kickass top of the line penthouse - Oden (granted it needs some renovating, but has great potential), a nice 4 bedroom victorian house - Camby, and then Joel is a decent 3 bedroom apartment that nobody is using because you have better places to live, but you're still (over)paying $6,000 a month for it and you're locked into a 12 month lease and it just had a major plumbing issue that you're hoping is fixed now, but who knows. Basically the only reason you still have it is for sentimental reasons because it was your first apartment and you had lots of nice memories there and so you try to justify it as insurance just in case something goes wrong with the penthouse or the victorian, but deep down you know if that were true, it'd make way more sense to dump that apartment if possible and go get one of the many available 3 bedroom apartments on the market for 1/5 of the cost.

[Iommi]

^ As someone who personally loves Brewer as a talent and has every confidence that he will develop a consistent three point shot, I still think it's a little over the top that you claim he can hit the three now. Ron Artest outshot him from three last year. I agree that you have to stick a hand in his face if you're guarding him, but the same is true for Rasheed Wallace.

[Devilzsidewalk]

he said Brewer can't shoot, I just said he can hit the three. Doesn't mean he makes it rain, but he can hit the three. Had that streak of 30 some consecutive games with a three pointer. Thats well beyond players that can't shoot.

[auggie doggie]

Fernandez would be a nice piece, but his complaint in Portland was playing time and he would probably not get enough here to satisfy him unless he could play some point or primary ball handler. He may be a better shooter than anyone we have currently.

[Vin20]

I'll put it like this: If you get Rudy this season, you'll get Rubio for sure the next one. They're like brothers.

[Krapinsky]

[shrink]

1. Even if POR keeps Delonte West, this deal puts them under the lux, and saves them about $8 mil. Yeah, Paul Allen is richer than many nations, but $8 mil is not valueless.

2. If your third string center is the injury-risk Joel Pryzbilla and is paid $7.4 mil .. umm , yes, you do try to just give him away. He will not provide $7.4 mil in production. Many people confuse the idea that a guy is an expiring with the idea that the actual player has the value. The value is your team's willingness to add longterm salary on a player that isn't worth his contract. If Andre Miller isn't a good enough mechanism for POR to trade that willingness, the Blazers have several other players that could do it, and have additional value because they are on a contract that is closer to their on-court value.

3. Since MIN would waive Delonte West, this deal costs them Brewer plus $6.8 mil in raw cap space (less whatever Pryz buy-out saves). I think a case could be made that Rudy + Bayless would struggle to be worth $6.8 mil alone. I'm OK with trading Brewer, but I wouldn't add him to this deal.

I like the general idea behind the trade, but the value doesn't work for me. Sending Telfair back to POR would help, and perhaps get me on board.

[farzi]

I'm not disagreeing that Przybilla should be moved, but if/when he is, it should be for something of need. Brewer wouldn't get a ton of PT. The only way we're going to be able to get Matthews and his new fat contract enough PT is by essentially having Roy be our backup SF (which is how we got Rudy about 25mpg in the past).

Roy and Batum start, Batum sits before Roy, Roy slides to the 3, Matthews plays the 2, Batum eventually comes back and gives Roy a rest, who then comes back in for Matthews, similar to how the Laker's front court rotation works

[Timberpuppy]

Hilarious photo Krapinsky! "You can imagine where the story goes from here... he fixes the cable?" I agree but we NEED Rubio! Thus, go for it!!!