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Re: Hey everyone! Let's talk about Kirk Hinrich! 

Post#41 » by verbal8 » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:18 pm

Kanyewest wrote:Speaking of the 2003 draft, I remember Grunfeld doing an interview with George Michaels, who was just hired by the Wizards. In the interview, Grunfeld talked about his draft with the Bucks and pumped up TJ Ford. I wish there was some transcript of that interview, because I think he said that Ford was the guy he wanted. George Michaels then responded that Steve Blake (albeit he's a local guy so he's going to pump up the UMD guys), that Steve Blake was an equal caliber player to TJ Ford. IIRC, Grunfeld laughed a little and said something along the lines of "we'll see". I'm honestly surprised that Michaels turned out to be right.

Essentially "a safe to say" means almost nothing. There was still a significant chance that the Bucks would have taken Ford over Hinrich if he had a choice. And one would hope Grunfeld wouldn't have taken Hinrich over Kaman.

I think TJ Ford's injury really de-railed his career. His other big issue is his inability to develop a 3 point shot. A quick glance at his numbers and other than 3 point shooting they aren't too far off from Hinrich's numbers. The 2003 draft really was a 7 player draft. EG would have done a lot worse with:
Mike Sweetney
Jarvis Hayes
Mickael Pietrus(similar career, but less upside)
Nick Collison
Marcus Banks
Luke Ridnour
Reece Gaines

About the only clear starters in the first round after Ford would have been David West(18th pick) and Josh Howard(29th). You could also make arguments for Diaw and Barbosa, being better options.
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Re: Hey everyone! Let's talk about Kirk Hinrich! 

Post#42 » by Ruzious » Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:07 pm

Hoopalotta wrote:I wouldn't trade for Williams from a fit standpoint and certainly not with McGee in there, but he was a far cry from "god awful" at the end of the season. He put up 14-7-5 in the last month and a half with a triple double game in there. He was also their designated 4th quarter playmaker during that time too.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/g ... yerId=4019

So his value is a lot higher than "next to nothing", even if that should be with another team.

Yeah, he nearly had several tripa dubs towards the end of the season. I agree what you said before - the current Wiz need an off the ball 3 (Cartier Martin style) - not a 3 that needs to controll the ball to be effective.
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Re: Hey everyone! Let's talk about Kirk Hinrich! 

Post#43 » by Ruzious » Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:11 pm

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Kanyewest wrote:Speaking of the 2003 draft, I remember Grunfeld doing an interview with George Michaels, who was just hired by the Wizards. In the interview, Grunfeld talked about his draft with the Bucks and pumped up TJ Ford. I wish there was some transcript of that interview, because I think he said that Ford was the guy he wanted. George Michaels then responded that Steve Blake (albeit he's a local guy so he's going to pump up the UMD guys), that Steve Blake was an equal caliber player to TJ Ford. IIRC, Grunfeld laughed a little and said something along the lines of "we'll see". I'm honestly surprised that Michaels turned out to be right.

Essentially "a safe to say" means almost nothing. There was still a significant chance that the Bucks would have taken Ford over Hinrich if he had a choice. And one would hope Grunfeld wouldn't have taken Hinrich over Kaman.

I think TJ Ford's injury really de-railed his career. His other big issue is his inability to develop a 3 point shot. A quick glance at his numbers and other than 3 point shooting they aren't too far off from Hinrich's numbers. The 2003 draft really was a 7 player draft. EG would have done a lot worse with:
Mike Sweetney
Jarvis Hayes
Mickael Pietrus(similar career, but less upside)
Nick Collison
Marcus Banks
Luke Ridnour
Reece Gaines

About the only clear starters in the first round after Ford would have been David West(18th pick) and Josh Howard(29th). You could also make arguments for Diaw and Barbosa, being better options.

Yeah, TJ Ford was a very gifted young PG. There was no comparison between him and Blake. When he basically broke his tailbone, that changed his career.
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Re: Hey everyone! Let's talk about Kirk Hinrich! 

Post#44 » by fatboy1111 » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:32 am

kirk will be real good for you guys, watch and see............
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Post#45 » by hands11 » Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:36 pm

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Within minutes of Kirk Hinrich's press conference introducing him as a member of the Wizards, it became clear why team president Ernie Grunfeld decided to acquire him in a trade last month.

For one, Grunfeld has, quite literally, coveted Hinrich since Hinrich entered the league. The Wizards president admitted that he scouted Hinrich extensively prior to the 2003 draft, when Grunfeld was still with the Bucks, and had him on his radar for his team's eighth pick. The Bulls ultimately selected Hinrich one pick before Milwaukee, but Grunfeld said today that if Hinrich had slipped, "it's safe to say" that the Bucks would have picked him.

For another, though, there's something about the way Hinrich seems to carry himself that could be a real asset to this team. Obviously, I'm getting this sense merely from a press conference, and it remains to be seen what happens once actual basketball is played. But I was very impressed with the way Hinrich answered questions. He seemed pretty shy, and does not seem like the kind of guy who likes hearing himself talk. In other words, he seemed like a guy who just wanted to play basketball. A professional, if you will.

"He's had an outstanding career. He brings it every night, he's a pro, he works very hard, he competes and he's very versatile," Grunfeld said. "Those are the kind of players we're looking for."

Hinrich's demeanor reminded me of something I wrote back during the year. When Antawn Jamison left for Cleveland, I wrote this post discussing what I felt was the difference between being a leader and being a pro. Jamison was a pro, but he was miscast as a leader because he tended to get frustrated when people didn't listen to him. The Wizards, at the time, had pros (Caron Butler, Jamison, Darius Songaila, Mike Miller, Randy Foye, etc.), but needed a leader, and Jamison wasn't the right guy.

But now, the tables have been turned. The Wizards have a leader, and his name is John Wall. It's pros that they need who will set a good example and shun the spotlight. Kirk Hinrich provides that.


9 is not a small rotation. You only have 12 players so that 75% of the team. You're only not playing 3 players. But it does matter now many minutes those 9 get. Flip did a good job spreading the minutes to end the year last year. He would go 10 deep which was pretty much everyone who was healthy even giving minutes to players like Ross. Well, we don't have any dead weight players this year like Ross, Fabio, and Boykins. Closest we have is Armstrong and I wouldn't consider him in that category. I'm talking about less min for more players to start the year. As the year progresses, you obviously tighten things up.

I just don't want to see EFJ style playing CB, GIL and AJ 42 minutes a game until they break. Best record at all star break trophy. He has it sitting on his mantel.

We have players we need to develop and evaluate in different line ups. I want to win while doing that but I do want to grow our talent also. I want to see him change things up here and there because he can, not because he has to. I want to see him start Nick over Gil one game so Gil can rest a little more if we are playing back to backs instead of needing to do it because he is injured and has no choice.

But all of this I'm talking about in the first half of the season leading up to the trade dead line. We need to evaluate, develop and raise the value of as many players as possible so we are in the strongest position we can be come the trade deadline. Most of the back up players on this team you would feel comfortable starting a game. Kirk, Nick, AT, Yi for sure and we have hopes for Seraphine and Booker. Then you have Armstrong. I don't see getting him minutes as a priority but he does need some minutes. We have a lot of players who I can easily see will get minutes.

Wall, Gil, Kirk, AT, Dray, Yi, McGee, and Seraphin.

And a list of players I think you want to make sure they see some minutes
Nick, Booker so that 10. I can see Booker not getting consistent minutes to start the season but I want him to get some. Then you have Armstrong and whoever else we add who are not a priority but since we are thin at defensive center, I can see Armstrong used in spot situations as we evaluate McGees defense and if Seraphin is as good I hope. So that only leaves a player like Singleton or Martin on the bench.

I think and I hope we at least play 9 to start the season. With Wall, Kirk, Gil and Nick, Gil doesn't need to play 38 minutes a game. But this should be interesting. Nick better really step it up because Wall, Gil and Kirk are going to get minutes. But Wall will be adjusting to the style and the long season so we can take our time with him and not over play him. Specially with a vet like Kirk behind him. If Wall goes 25 min and Gil 30 that leaves 40 minutes between Kirk and Nick. Then you have 20 and 20 for both. Something like that is fine to start the year with some fluctuation from game to game. As Wall gets comfortable he can creep up to 30 then more but again, it's a long season. Ultimately, we are going to probably more some pieces so this will make more sense down the road.

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Re: Hey everyone! Let's talk about Kirk Hinrich! 

Post#46 » by Jimmy Recard » Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:44 am

I wonder if Gilbert will remind Kirk of this incident :D
[youtube]http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=hTNQzeoARQU&feature=related[/youtube]
IIRC, game 6 2005, late in the fourth.
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Post#47 » by hands11 » Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:03 am

Mosca wrote:I wonder if Gilbert will remind Kirk of this incident :D
[youtube]http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=hTNQzeoARQU&feature=related[/youtube]
IIRC, game 6 2005, late in the fourth.



Dude. He is on our team and he is a good player/person. No need to rehash that stuff.

Get on with the program.
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Re: Hey everyone! Let's talk about Kirk Hinrich! 

Post#48 » by MJG » Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:31 am

hands11 wrote:
Mosca wrote:I wonder if Gilbert will remind Kirk of this incident :D

IIRC, game 6 2005, late in the fourth.


Dude. He is on our team and he is a good player/person. No need to rehash that stuff.

Get on with the program.

Uh, it was a blocked shot. Arenas didn't run over his dog or anything.
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Post#49 » by hands11 » Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:42 am

Yeah but his dog crapped in his shoes
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Re: Hey everyone! Let's talk about Kirk Hinrich! 

Post#50 » by pancakes3 » Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:30 pm

chill pill, hands. i bet arenas will remind hinrich of that the first day of training camp. that was a SICK block. sheer genetics right there. gil just outjumped, and out reached hinrich, which is mind boggling since he made up for about a foot of positioning.

nice steal by hinrich on LH though?

also, for what it's worth, hinrich's been touted as the "wade killer". i'd love to see him live up to that rumor.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... =hinriki01

20.8 is significantly lower than his 25.4 ppg career average.
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Post#51 » by hands11 » Sat Jul 31, 2010 4:59 pm

I don't pills.

The thing I always noticed about Kirk is his ability to play pesky defense. Should be nice to have someone that the on team. He is someone who can get under another players skin. We haven't had that in a while. And now maybe we have two like that up front. From nothing like that to maybe outstanding is a big turnaround.

I'm pretty ramped up to watch these guys this year. See that the skins are hitting mini camp should fill the void until the NBA camps start up. I'm glad they gave us some summer ball to help get us there closer to the NBA season.
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Post#52 » by GhostsOfGil » Sun Aug 1, 2010 9:01 pm

i think something the coaching staff may consider is starting wall next to kirk and bringing gil off the bench. at first the idea sounds ludicrous but the more i think about it the more i think it could work. i think its fair to say that all wizards fans have concerns about the wall/arenas defense and arenas' ability to play off the ball. with kirk starting, it adds defense to our backcourt and relieves some of the ball handling duties from wall. then when gil comes in he will add much needed offense to the 2nd unit and will just absolutely lite up opposing bench guards. this also allows gil more time to play the 1 spot when wall goes to the bench. not saying its a great idea but i think it should be considered
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Post#53 » by Wizardspride » Sun Aug 1, 2010 9:12 pm

zaRdsAndZeRos wrote:i think something the coaching staff may consider is starting wall next to kirk and bringing gil off the bench. at first the idea sounds ludicrous but the more i think about it the more i think it could work. i think its fair to say that all wizards fans have concerns about the wall/arenas defense and arenas' ability to play off the ball. with kirk starting, it adds defense to our backcourt and relieves some of the ball handling duties from wall. then when gil comes in he will add much needed offense to the 2nd unit and will just absolutely lite up opposing bench guards. this also allows gil more time to play the 1 spot when wall goes to the bench. not saying its a great idea but i think it should be considered



Gilbert Arenas will not be coming off the bench for the Wiz...for a number of reasons.

1.)He's the best offensive player on the team. And I mean the best offensive player by a large margin.

2.)The Wiz aren't going to pay someone a salary of almost 20m to be a 6th man.

3.)The WIzards (Flip) thinks he can guard most shooting guards effectively. And so do I.

4.)Do you honestly think that Gil(who is still in his prime) would just meekly go to the bench?

I sure know I wouldn't if I had his talent.

5.)See #1
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Re: Hey everyone! Let's talk about Kirk Hinrich! 

Post#54 » by Terry Silver » Tue Aug 3, 2010 3:07 am

Mosca wrote:I wonder if Gilbert will remind Kirk of this incident :D
[youtube]http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=hTNQzeoARQU&feature=related[/youtube]
IIRC, game 6 2005, late in the fourth.

+1 Great moment.

And IIRC, it was Kirk who threw the inbounds pass directly into Gordon's back which led to a Jeffries steal and Dunk FTW :).

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