Official FIBA World Championship Thread (and long preview)

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Post#301 » by AkeemTheDream » Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:49 pm

Theo Papaloukas wrote:Are you kidding me?

So you're trying to say 6'11, 270 lb Darjus Lavrionvic and 7'2" Ante Tomic play power forward while Reyes plays center? :lol:


Reyes played C in Real Madrid last year the vast majority of the time. Another poster even confirmed that in this thread. Tomic came to the team towards the end of the year. Before that Reyes and Lavrinovic played the center position.

After Tomic came to the team Lavrinovic hardly even played at all. Tomic and Reyes handled the center position.
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Post#302 » by Zebra People » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:33 pm

Not sure if this has been posted yet....

Named as finalists for the USA World Championship Team were Chauncey Billups (Denver Nuggets); Tyson Chandler (Dallas Mavericks); Stephen Curry (Golden State Warriors); Kevin Durant (Oklahoma City Thunder); Rudy Gay (Memphis Grizzlies); Eric Gordon (Los Angeles Clippers); Danny Granger (Indiana Pacers); Jeff Green (Oklahoma City Thunder); Andre Iguodala (Philadelphia 76ers); Brook Lopez (New Jersey Nets); Kevin Love (Minnesota Timberwolves); Lamar Odom (Los Angeles Lakers); Rajon Rondo (Boston Celtics); Derrick Rose (Chicago Bulls); and Russell Westbrook (Oklahoma City Thunder).
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Post#303 » by Run_Forest » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:58 pm

AkeemTheDream wrote:Fotsis has always been known as a lazy player. However, when the elimination games of Greece's national came, he always showed up. As far as Greece not taking Papaloukas that is strange to me. Diamantidis is not a good defender of opposing point guards as you say. He is excellent at defending shooting guards and small forwards, but not point guards. Actually, that is what Spanoulis always did in their club team and what Spanoulis and Zisis always did in that national team.

Diamantidis is too slow to defend point guards. Calathes is the same type of player as Papaloukas except he's much less athletic (by a lot) and is even a much worse shooter. And he has way less experience. Spanoulis is a great point guard but after him they have just Zisis, and Spanoulis is turnover prone as said. So is Diamantidis whenever he tries to run an offense against high level competition. Diamantidis is a shooting guard or even more of a point forward. Calathes is also turnover prone. Zisis is the only one that is steady and isn't turnover prone, but he's not close to Papaloukas in play making ability.

Zisis can conceivably do everything Papaloukas can (except he's also a lot less athletic) and he's a better shooter than Papaloukas, but he just does not have the play making abilities that Papaloukas has. Neither do Diamantidis and Calathes. Seems like a really odd decision not to take Papaloukas if he was available.

It's nothing the same as Slovenia not taking Beno Udrih, because they already have Sani, Lakovic, Dragic. Three guys that can handle things just fine at PG so they did not even need him. But Greece definitely needed Papaloukas if he was available to them. Now they have to hope that Vassiliadis has a huge tournament to make up for those minutes. He is certainly capable of it though as he is a huge scorer.



I will have to disagree...I don't know how long has it been since you have seen any Greek player.Calathes is by no means less athletic than Papaloukas.Actually Papaloukas is probably less athletic than Diamantidis.He has put on some weight and is way slower than he used to be when he played for CSKA Moscow where he was a European superstar.


I don't know about Zisis because i can't see any of his games since he plays for Siena but the only thing that Papaloukas had to offer this Greek National team was leadership and his excellent passing.And that's not necessary because Diamantidis can do that just fine.


You really have to re-check the Greek players you are mentioning though.Papaloukas never had a shot while Diamantidis has trained a lot and now posseses a pretty stable shot from the 3-point range still someone has to tell him to stop looking for his teammates so much

Spanoulis is better as a shooting guard(although granted he can be a point guard but that woul mean lots of turnovers in a team that doesn't commit so many) and that goes for Zisis too...



I just want to point that Papaloukas is no more the most athletic Greek guard.Spanoulis is by far and Calathes is way more athletic than you think he just needs to get experience and shoot the ball better obviously because his passing ability can be very essential for Greece in the coming years...

Papaloukas is 33 now.This would probably be his last competition and he really became a big star for this team and he was a big star for us.But Greece will survive without him like we did in Poland.
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Post#304 » by AkeemTheDream » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:38 pm

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AkeemTheDream wrote:Fotsis has always been known as a lazy player. However, when the elimination games of Greece's national came, he always showed up. As far as Greece not taking Papaloukas that is strange to me. Diamantidis is not a good defender of opposing point guards as you say. He is excellent at defending shooting guards and small forwards, but not point guards. Actually, that is what Spanoulis always did in their club team and what Spanoulis and Zisis always did in that national team.

Diamantidis is too slow to defend point guards. Calathes is the same type of player as Papaloukas except he's much less athletic (by a lot) and is even a much worse shooter. And he has way less experience. Spanoulis is a great point guard but after him they have just Zisis, and Spanoulis is turnover prone as said. So is Diamantidis whenever he tries to run an offense against high level competition. Diamantidis is a shooting guard or even more of a point forward. Calathes is also turnover prone. Zisis is the only one that is steady and isn't turnover prone, but he's not close to Papaloukas in play making ability.

Zisis can conceivably do everything Papaloukas can (except he's also a lot less athletic) and he's a better shooter than Papaloukas, but he just does not have the play making abilities that Papaloukas has. Neither do Diamantidis and Calathes. Seems like a really odd decision not to take Papaloukas if he was available.

It's nothing the same as Slovenia not taking Beno Udrih, because they already have Sani, Lakovic, Dragic. Three guys that can handle things just fine at PG so they did not even need him. But Greece definitely needed Papaloukas if he was available to them. Now they have to hope that Vassiliadis has a huge tournament to make up for those minutes. He is certainly capable of it though as he is a huge scorer.



I will have to disagree...I don't know how long has it been since you have seen any Greek player.Calathes is by no means less athletic than Papaloukas.Actually Papaloukas is probably less athletic than Diamantidis.He has put on some weight and is way slower than he used to be when he played for CSKA Moscow where he was a European superstar.


I don't know about Zisis because i can't see any of his games since he plays for Siena but the only thing that Papaloukas had to offer this Greek National team was leadership and his excellent passing.And that's not necessary because Diamantidis can do that just fine.


You really have to re-check the Greek players you are mentioning though.Papaloukas never had a shot while Diamantidis has trained a lot and now posseses a pretty stable shot from the 3-point range still someone has to tell him to stop looking for his teammates so much

Spanoulis is better as a shooting guard(although granted he can be a point guard but that woul mean lots of turnovers in a team that doesn't commit so many) and that goes for Zisis too...



I just want to point that Papaloukas is no more the most athletic Greek guard.Spanoulis is by far and Calathes is way more athletic than you think he just needs to get experience and shoot the ball better obviously because his passing ability can be very essential for Greece in the coming years...

Papaloukas is 33 now.This would probably be his last competition and he really became a big star for this team and he was a big star for us.But Greece will survive without him like we did in Poland.


I watched every single Euroleague game of all of those players this year and all of the Greek Finals also. Papaloukas is still at 33 way more athletic than Calathes is. You may consider Spanoulis a shooting guard, but he played every single game at point guard, so I think it is safe to say that he is a point guard. I will trust the opinion of a coach like Obradovic as to what position he plays.
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Post#305 » by Godzilla039 » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:26 pm

I know you can knock the ball off the rim during live action, but are you allowed to do it in the process of a potential and1?
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Post#306 » by Run_Forest » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:30 pm

Anyway Spanoulis is a combo guard he can play both the pg position and the sg position.For me you can get the best out of him when he plays as a sg.


And i repeat...Papaloukas is NOT athletic...at all.He has maybe the best Bball IQ in Europe sure but he is not at any way athletic.He is not fast he can't jump etc...You underestimate Calathe's athleticism.He is raw but with Obradovic he will certainly improve
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Post#307 » by alucryts » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:40 am

i want to see one of two things: rose and durant in the starting lineup playing off each other or durant starting putting up big ppg and rose coming off the bench to destroy benches
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Post#308 » by PrinceJames » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:56 am

why didnt brandon roy do this?
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Post#309 » by Red n Yellow » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:02 am

alucryts wrote:i want to see one of two things: rose and durant in the starting lineup playing off each other or durant starting putting up big ppg and rose coming off the bench to destroy benches


Not all benches... In the spanish bench we have Ricky Rubio, I mean, Rose is way better right now, but Ricky can guard him...
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Post#310 » by botch » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:55 am

Red n Yellow wrote:
alucryts wrote:i want to see one of two things: rose and durant in the starting lineup playing off each other or durant starting putting up big ppg and rose coming off the bench to destroy benches


Not all benches... In the spanish bench we have Ricky Rubio, I mean, Rose is way better right now, but Ricky can guard him...

hmmm I don't think Rubio will be able to gaurd Rose, you pretty much have to double Rose in order to stop him.
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Post#311 » by Rain_Maker » Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:16 am

lets go Iran, born there but not my ethnicity
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i think that even though the US does not have its star players, they should still be capable of beating everyone, No, they wont beat teams by 40+ pts, but they should win comfortably with about a 10 point game everytime
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Post#312 » by Chuck Diesel » Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:26 am

I’m flabbergasted by the Gerald Wallace cut. I believe Coach K said publicly that he had never seen Wallace before Vegas, which is unfortunate. I think Wallace is the type of guy whose 544 career NBA games should carry more weight than any mini camp or All-Star style scrimmage. Toughness, rebounding, defense and diving after loose balls are all skills that translate to the FIBA game. Wallace was one of the few guys on the roster who I was confident could match some of the physicality team USA is going to see in Turkey.
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Post#313 » by jinxed » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:08 am

RASALPOOL27 wrote:
brassviews wrote:
RASALPOOL27 wrote:How many big man are better than Brook Lopez and Kevin Love?


As of now,

Marc Gasol
Tiago Splitter
Luis Scola
Joakim Noah (if he decides to play)
Nene Hilario


Players who could potentially play great in tournament and give USA problems.

Ante Tomic
Ersan Ilyasova
Anderson Varejao
Omer Asik
Nenad Krstic
Aleks Maric
Ioannis Bourousis
Sofoklis Schortsanitis (he was a big factor in the 2006 win against USA)
Jorge Garbajosa
Fran Vazquez
Novica Velickovic
Nemanja Bjelica
Kresimir Loncar
Alexis Ajinca
Boris Diaw
Semih Erden
Timofey Mozgov

And contrary to popular belief, USA has had less problems playing against Nowitzki or Ming. USA still manage to beat their teams soundly.

I think you should still be concerned regardless of certain absences.

RASALPOOL27 wrote:If we really wanted to we could start Kevin Durant at power forward like what w e did with Carmelo Anthony .


I really do hope USA starts Durant's skinny ass at PF. Let him try to be effective against the likes of Brazil or Spain's frontcourt.


Thats the best the world can offer ? I would gladly take the US big men over any the big men you mentioned . Besides Noah, Gasol , the guys you mentions are just mediocre big men ..

Care to explain how Brazil/ Spain will defend him since he such a deadly perimeter game . Brazil is in trouble if guys like Nene are guarded him on defense


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Nene is one of the best big men in the NBA, easily better than Love and Lopez

Splitter..well, you'll see next year.
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Post#314 » by Greek » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:22 am

Wow what i am reading here??? Diamantidis cant guard PG's Fotsis is a star, Papaloukas is athletic!

Anyway from my prospective Diamantidis is the steady force of the team, not vocal but great leader in the mold of Dunkan, Spanoulis is a combo guard, some times going wild, thats why is necessary to play with an other heady player next him.

Calathes indeed doesnt have great vertical, but his quickness comes 2nd only to VSpan, and for sure not comparable to Papaloukas.

I am was never been high on Zissis, but the guy is hard worker, smart great locker room guy, so i can see why he is considered so important of us.

The problem with Fotsis, is not his talent, is his inconsistency. You dont know what to expect from him. In his good day (not very often though) you can claim that he is the best PF in Europe, but that doesnt comes very often. Not reliable at all. Just a good role player.

Considering the absence of so many great players, i think that metal is within our reach. I hope for the gold, but i am happy with copper too.

Some other notes
Reyes: If the definition of the Euro PF is the tall face up player who can hit the 3, then he is more C than PF, or you can say power PF.

About US team: Looks like very poor constructed team, i dont have any doubts about there talent but for sure they will face chemistry issues, and some glaring weakness of the squat will be greatly exposed. Euro ball is not stars game. Its a team game, so Durant i dont think that will be enough.

An other issue is the will. My impression (i could be easily mistaken here) is that those players playing because they have to, not because they want to. If i take the example of the Greek team, every player feels that if they win, will give something to smile to the Greeks after the bad year that Greek economy having. Its a pride, so the motive is much much more stronger.
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Post#315 » by Chuck Diesel » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:48 am

Greek wrote:Wow what i am reading here??? Diamantidis cant guard PG's Fotsis is a star, Papaloukas is athletic!

About US team: Looks like very poor constructed team, i dont have any doubts about there talent but for sure they will face chemistry issues, and some glaring weakness of the squat will be greatly exposed. Euro ball is not stars game. Its a team game, so Durant i dont think that will be enough.

An other issue is the will. My impression (i could be easily mistaken here) is that those players playing because they have to, not because they want to. If i take the example of the Greek team, every player feels that if they win, will give something to smile to the Greeks after the bad year that Greek economy having. Its a pride, so the motive is much much more stronger.


No point in commenting on the chemistry until the games get underway, but you are certainly mistaken with your assessment that there is a lack of “will” among the group of players representing the USA this summer. The majority of these guys have committed portions of their last 2-3 off-seasons in an effort to someday get a chance to make the US team. Three of the players have already represented the US in senior international competition (Billups, Odom and Chandler) and are back for more.

The guys who didn’t have the will this summer chose not to participate. Everyone wearing a USA jersey in right now in 2010 really wants to be apart of the team.
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Post#316 » by Chuck Diesel » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:28 am

I don’t know what their budget is like, but here’s an idea USA basketball might want to consider-

Instead of college players, why not fly in a group of veteran American players with overseas experience to scrimmage against the national team in preparation for the tournament. The overseas pros could give the national team an early and realistic preview of quality FIBA competition under FIBA rules. It would be great to see Russell Westbrook chasing Trajan Langdon around a screen, Kevin Love getting his shot swiped off the rim by Terrance Morris and Rudy Gay scraping for a board against Mike Batiste. Europe’s best American players might also provide some useful s“inside” information with to scouting director Tony Ronzone and the rest of the staff regarding our opposing players and coaches.

The incentive for the overseas guys would be more exposure (which might lead to a contract down the road) a chance to get better by playing against top competition and an opportunity to help their countries' national team succeed. I know USA basketball brought in the college guys because they want young playres in the "pipeline" but I think overseas veterans could help in a different, more immiedate way.
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Post#317 » by Joel Embust » Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:28 pm

I want the NBA season to start goddammit.
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Post#318 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:03 pm

1. IMHO Chuck Diesel's idea of using American veterans who have been playing overseas to scrimmage the U.S. team is a really good one. I'd also consider taking it a step further and adding one or two of American players with international experience to the team.

2. I didn't see the scrimmages, but the four cuts made perfect sense to me. Gerald Wallace is a great NBA player but he can't shoot, and is ill-suited to the international rules. Javalle McGhee is going to be a very good player some day, but he's not there yet.

3. I'm really looking forward to the World Championships. Is there a way to subscribe to view the games on the web? I'm sure the U.S. team's games will be televised here in the U.S., but what about the others? I'd love to see Greece, Spain, Italy and Croatia play (just to name four).
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Post#319 » by UGA Hayes » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:11 pm

I'm not seeing a bunch of veterans agreeing to be practice fodder for the national team. Thats the sort of thing you can only get bright eyed young'uns to agree to.
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Post#320 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:51 pm

UGA Hayes wrote:I'm not seeing a bunch of veterans agreeing to be practice fodder for the national team. Thats the sort of thing you can only get bright eyed young'uns to agree to.


Depends on how much you are willing to pay.

BTW, it appears from the FIBA website that the games will be broadcast over the web. Bravo!!

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