[Build A Team 4.0] Discussion Thread

LJ4pointplay · Post #241 » by **LJ4pointplay** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:52 pm

I think we should be able to select any coach we want. Be it Jeff Van Gundy or Stephon Marbury. It promotes creativity and allows for people to play the style they want to.

LJ4pointplay · Post #242 » by **LJ4pointplay** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:52 pm

xKLNx Phenom wrote:The separate draft is a bad idea. It takes out all of the strategy. It gotta be in the normal draft.

Agreed.

Subway Token · Post #243 » by **Subway Token** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:53 pm

xKLNx Phenom wrote:The separate draft is a bad idea. It takes out all of the strategy. It gotta be in the normal draft.

So we'd have more rounds in the draft?

Post #244 » by **moocow007** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:54 pm

knicksfan5494 wrote:
moocow007 wrote:So what other outstanding items needs to be clarified for 4.0?

The two I'm taking from this is what to do with rookies (guys that were just drafted) and head coaches.

To which...

ROOKIES - I believe we've already said this time around guys that were just drafted (like Wall and Cousins and such) CAN bet selected at any point in this draft.

HEAD COACHES - I think it would make it more interesting (from a strategy standpoint) to include head coaches in this draft. That would mean you need to account for a max of 16 different "selections" per team (since you still need the "upto" 15 player roster). Considering that we did a 12 round draft in 3.0 with a "free for all" to fill out the last remaining 3 roster spots (i.e. IL guys). We probably are talking about a 13 round draft this time (one extra for the head coach). The only other thing I can think of is any possible restrictions on who can be selected as head coach. Do they need to have had previous head coach or any coaching experience or can anyone be selected (like someone selecting Reggie Miller). If experience does it have to be NBA coaching experience? My personal take is that you allow anyone to take anyone they want...if someone wants to take a guy who has no coaching experience...let them.

Anything else?

Maybe for the head coaching we can havbe another draft randomization, and have a separate draft for the coaches. In order to avoid confusion, we should ONLY be able to hire a coach that was an ACTIVE MEMBER OF COACHING STAFF EITHER LAST YEAR OR THIS COMING YEAR. That way, we won't get a bunch of coaches nobody has ever heard of, or people reanimating dead bodies and selecting the old all-timers that some of us maybe never heard of.

If someone wants to take a guy who has no NBA coaching experience as head coach, let them. If they can justify it so that it can be viewed as an actual plus, then more power to them. And leave the head coaches IN this draft. Both would make it more challenging and strategic (and, therefor more interesting).

I personally can think of several former players (with no coaching experience) that I would view as an actual plus when judging teams if they were selected.

Personally...really don't see a benefit for having a separate draft for headcoaches. Confusion? If guys are going to be confused by introducing the option of selecting their head coach within the same draft as their team, then maybe they should hand over their spot to someone else...this is a draft for real men!

Jstarks3 · Post #245 » by **Jstarks3** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:56 pm

^ agreed with LJ and KLN. its clearly the best option. how is this taking so long to figure out?

Post #246 » by **moocow007** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:59 pm

knicksfan5494 wrote:
xKLNx Phenom wrote:The separate draft is a bad idea. It takes out all of the strategy. It gotta be in the normal draft.

So we'd have more rounds in the draft?

1 more round. From 12 to 13. Then still the 'free for all' round.

The only other thing is that the rules say that we can select anyone that was signed to an NBA contract (free agent) as of August 1st. Unless we are going to wait a few more days, that probably should be reworded (but really minor issue).

Post #247 » by **magnumt** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:24 pm

We have half the GMs calling for 4.0 to get started already and half calling for 3.0 to still be wrapped up (which is hard to do when only 1 Judge has shown up).

The Coaches being Drafted is fine in any of the Rounds of 12, but Moo nailed it...it HAS to be 1 extra Round added to maintain the Roster quota. So it would be 13 Rounds, and Coaches can be selected at any time in the 13 Rounds (I'll format the Posts in the Official later when the 1st Coach is selected so that it's organized).

The Aug 1st. Date is 3 Days away, I HIGHLY doubt any of the Free Agents still left in 2010 will be Drafted in Round 1 Moo.

Anything else peeps?

P.S. Just like in the NBA, you can Draft ANY Coach you want (College, International, Asst., Head Coach, etc).

--Mags

Jstarks3 · Post #248 » by **Jstarks3** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:16 pm

i just dont see why 3.0 has to finish up for 4.0 to start.

Post #249 » by **moocow007** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:50 pm

magnumt wrote:We have half the GMs calling for 4.0 to get started already and half calling for 3.0 to still be wrapped up (which is hard to do when only 1 Judge has shown up).

The Coaches being Drafted is fine in any of the Rounds of 12, but Moo nailed it...it HAS to be 1 extra Round added to maintain the Roster quota. So it would be 13 Rounds, and Coaches can be selected at any time in the 13 Rounds (I'll format the Posts in the Official later when the 1st Coach is selected so that it's organized).

The Aug 1st. Date is 3 Days away, I HIGHLY doubt any of the Free Agents still left in 2010 will be Drafted in Round 1 Moo.

Anything else peeps?

P.S. Just like in the NBA, you can Draft ANY Coach you want (College, International, Asst., Head Coach, etc).

--Mags

So we can even draft a head coach that has never been coaches at any level as well right? ANY body.

LJ4pointplay · Post #250 » by **LJ4pointplay** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:55 pm

With the first overall pick, of the the B-A-T 4.0 draft, Stephon Marbury.. head coach.

Subway Token · Post #251 » by **Subway Token** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:56 pm

So let's get this party started. Pick number two let's go.

Post #252 » by **magnumt** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:15 pm

moocow007 wrote:
magnumt wrote:We have half the GMs calling for 4.0 to get started already and half calling for 3.0 to still be wrapped up (which is hard to do when only 1 Judge has shown up).

The Coaches being Drafted is fine in any of the Rounds of 12, but Moo nailed it...it HAS to be 1 extra Round added to maintain the Roster quota. So it would be 13 Rounds, and Coaches can be selected at any time in the 13 Rounds (I'll format the Posts in the Official later when the 1st Coach is selected so that it's organized).

The Aug 1st. Date is 3 Days away, I HIGHLY doubt any of the Free Agents still left in 2010 will be Drafted in Round 1 Moo.

Anything else peeps?

P.S. Just like in the NBA, you can Draft ANY Coach you want (College, International, Asst., Head Coach, etc).

--Mags

So we can even draft a head coach that has never been coaches at any level as well right? ANY body.

Bingo. Stern doesn't put limitations on what Coach a Team can hire, and neither will we.

--Mags

Fury · Post #253 » by **Fury** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:17 pm

Coach Carter is available?

Post #254 » by **moocow007** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:54 pm

Fury wrote:Coach Carter is available?

Coach Moocow...hmm...

can o peas · Post #255 » by **can o peas** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:37 pm

We can draft any international (or nbdl say) player even if they're not under contract as long as they're eligible to be signed right?

ZarcMumoff · Post #256 » by **ZarcMumoff** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:22 am

This isn't for 4.0, but this is probably the most appropriate place to post it. I'll have out my judging either late tonight, or tomorrow. I originally said I didn't have time to judge, but I'm not doing too much tonight. Just letting everyone know.

Post #257 » by **moocow007** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:18 am

PK5 wrote:This isn't for 4.0, but this is probably the most appropriate place to post it. I'll have out my judging either late tonight, or tomorrow. I originally said I didn't have time to judge, but I'm not doing too much tonight. Just letting everyone know.

Remember when the question comes up of "who loves you baby"...the answer is the "mods do". The rest of them hate you...they didn't want me to tell you but I felt it right to say it.

LJ4pointplay · Post #258 » by **LJ4pointplay** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:28 pm

So do we have this stuff settled?

NewEra · Post #259 » by **NewEra** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:04 pm

^ Really, what's the hold up? Let's get these rules sorted out so we can at least start by Monday.

3.0 seems to be dead. Learn from it and move on.

Post #260 » by **moocow007** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:40 pm

newera wrote:^ Really, what's the hold up? Let's get these rules sorted out so we can at least start by Monday.

3.0 seems to be dead. Learn from it and move on.

Yeah I think from a judging standpoint, just let the actual GM's do the judging. Let each GM rank the other 29 teams in order for each of the "titles". Then have all the numbers go to one person (magnumt, nyknicks2k2, or someone), who then can talley the points and declare the winners.

Quite easy. You just add up the points for each "title" (best win now, future, blah, blah) for each team based on their ranking...and the one with the least number of points wins for each title (and then the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, x places are based on the each successive least number of points). I've done this when trying to decide the name of each of my kids (between me and my wife) and it's worked out just fine.

If there's anyone that is going to be into really completing the judging it's going to be the 30 guys that live through this.