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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#41 » by M4P » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:43 am

texasholdem wrote:how about trading Jared Jeffries for Mike Bibby? (ATL supposedly wants to give Jeff Teague the starting PG job). Bibby knows Adelman's system and has played with Brad Miller and Kevin Martin.

David has a Danish passport and spent 9 years in Europe professionally (vs only 1 year in Australia league) so it's OK to call him a Euro player.

You wanna pay Mike Bibby ~$6M a year when you just signed Lowry for about the MLE?
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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#42 » by Optimism Prime » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:50 am

Munchlaxatives wrote:Kudos for getting a 2nd for him. I believe that's now 8 beers I owe Morey, or two J&B on the rocks.


Don't count on it. You'll buy him a handle of Jack Daniels, a 24-pack of Coca-Cola Classic, and you'll end up thanking him for the honor of doing so.

That is, if he handles personal transactions the same as he does business ones.





Also, guys--this thread on the Raptors board hit TWENTY-SEVEN PAGES. Hell, their "David Andersen Can Be Packaged Right Away" thread has more posts than this one. STEP IT UP.
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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#43 » by texasholdem » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:22 am

Morey4president wrote:You wanna pay Mike Bibby ~$6M a year when you just signed Lowry for about the MLE?


we're gonna pay jeffries about the same amount this year anyway to also be a 3rd stringer
plus Brooks might be dealt (or leave as a free agent) so Lowry would be the starter and Bibby his backup.
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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#44 » by M4P » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:27 am

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Morey4president wrote:You wanna pay Mike Bibby ~$6M a year when you just signed Lowry for about the MLE?


we're gonna pay jeffries about the same amount this year anyway to also be a 3rd stringer
plus Brooks might be dealt (or leave as a free agent) so Lowry would be the starter and Bibby his backup.

Why would Atlanta want Jeffries in the first place? And if we do somehow pull it off, who's going to be the Hawk's starting PG? Crawford? Pfft.

Bibby is guaranteed 12.1M over the next 2 years. So no, his contract won't be the same as Jeffries.
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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#45 » by texasholdem » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:44 am

Jeffries will make $6,883,400 this season
Bibby will make $5,564,767 this season and $6,217,617 next season.
Atlanta would want JJ for that one less year.
I heard the Hawks want to start Jeff Teague their 1st round pick of 2009 at PG
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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#46 » by M4P » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:49 am

texasholdem wrote:Jeffries will make $6,883,400 this season
Bibby will make $5,564,767 this season and $6,217,617 next season.
Atlanta would want JJ for that one less year.
I heard the Hawks want to start Jeff Teague their 1st round pick of 2009 at PG

Exactly. If you trade for Bibby you're going to have to pay ~12M for 2 years for a 3rd stringer. You can probably pick up someone from the DLeague at a fraction of the cost.
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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#47 » by zapatasblood » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:55 am

There would be only one reason they would want Jeffries for Bibby and that is to shed salary next year to resign Horford and extend Crawford. They are going to need to shed salaries since they overpaid Joe. Now Atlanta has to believe in that philosophy for anything to happen
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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#48 » by texasholdem » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:58 am

you're going to pay JJ $1.3m more next year than you would pay Bibby anyway.
He wouldn't necessarily be a 3rd stringer since Adelman likes playing 2 PGs so Bibby might be Kevin's backup before Chase/JT

Brooks might be traded or leave as a free agent next summer.
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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#49 » by M4P » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:20 am

texasholdem wrote:you're going to pay JJ $1.3m more next year than you would pay Bibby anyway.
He wouldn't necessarily be a 3rd stringer since Adelman likes playing 2 PGs so Bibby might be Kevin's backup before Chase/JT

Brooks might be traded or leave as a free agent next summer.

If Brooks decides to leave don't you think that Morey would try to get as much value out of him as possible? He's not just going to let him walk.

Only reason Adelman plays Brooks and Lowry together is because of the speed mismatch they give to teams. If you watched Bibby, you'd know that he's just barely faster than Fisher. At this point of his career, I think that even Adelman knows that Chase/JT is a better option at the 2 than Bibby.
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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#50 » by kam_soluusar » Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:10 am

Just got home from work and read the new. Can't say that I am suprised, given our draft picks this year. maybe we will make a play for patty Mills now, and there will still be an Aussie in H-Town.

Can't say that I am really dissapointed, I am happy I never ordered an Andersen jersey though!

Damage Assesment was brought here as an insurance policy, and I say that he did that job well. I wish him all the best in Toronto. Everyone thought he was going to be an Andrew Bogut type player, but he wasn't, and was never going to be. I really hope he does well in Toronto.

One question I do have is, Why is it okay to use racial sterotyping in relation to White Basketballers, but not okay where Black Players are concerned? It seems to be okay to make these references to White players. (Incidentally, I dunked on 3 people last night when I played, but apparently "White Men Can't Jump" get my drift?)
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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#51 » by Ribalding » Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:43 am

MaxRider wrote:but how much did we pay Toronto?


Chron says 1 mill.

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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#52 » by zapatasblood » Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:15 am

Saw this on the Raptors board.
Courtside wrote:I posted this in the stickied trade ideas thread, but this is probably a better place.

How about...

Jose to Indiana, TJ to Houston and Battier+Jeffries to Toronto, along with NYKs first rounder?

It sheds another $6 mil of Houston's payroll, getting them under the tax threshold entirely, and gets them another point guard (that they seem to be looking for). TJ is from Texas and expires, so there is no added long term commitment. The Rockets would also generate a $6 mil TPE that can be used into next year's contract season.

For Indiana, they get a decent starting PG who would actually run a stable offense and feed Granger as much as they want. They have a ton of expirings after this season, so Jose's additional 2 years aren't as big a deal as they might be elsewhere.

Toronto takes on salary for one year, but both players are expirings, so it balances out with shedding Jose's 3 remaining years. The draft pick is the main result, which reduces the need for Toronto to suck in order to get high picks, as we'll have the high pick from NYK.

A Battier/Kleiza combo at SF is pretty good and a vet like Shane would fit really well on a young roster. He could be traded at the deadline to a team looking for a good wing defender to throw at Kobe, James, etc...



No desire for Dunleavy. I have a hard time seeing anyone taking him, unless Indy is willing to take on a longer, equally inflated contract.

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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#53 » by aznkillabeezZz » Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:16 am

You can always depend on Toronto to trade for an overrated Euro league finesse player
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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#54 » by G-Heel » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:51 am

zapatasblood wrote:Saw this on the Raptors board.
Courtside wrote:I posted this in the stickied trade ideas thread, but this is probably a better place.

How about...

Jose to Indiana, TJ to Houston and Battier+Jeffries to Toronto, along with NYKs first rounder?

It sheds another $6 mil of Houston's payroll, getting them under the tax threshold entirely, and gets them another point guard (that they seem to be looking for). TJ is from Texas and expires, so there is no added long term commitment. The Rockets would also generate a $6 mil TPE that can be used into next year's contract season.

For Indiana, they get a decent starting PG who would actually run a stable offense and feed Granger as much as they want. They have a ton of expirings after this season, so Jose's additional 2 years aren't as big a deal as they might be elsewhere.

Toronto takes on salary for one year, but both players are expirings, so it balances out with shedding Jose's 3 remaining years. The draft pick is the main result, which reduces the need for Toronto to suck in order to get high picks, as we'll have the high pick from NYK.

A Battier/Kleiza combo at SF is pretty good and a vet like Shane would fit really well on a young roster. He could be traded at the deadline to a team looking for a good wing defender to throw at Kobe, James, etc...



No desire for Dunleavy. I have a hard time seeing anyone taking him, unless Indy is willing to take on a longer, equally inflated contract.

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Wow, that is a horrible trade for the Rockets. Losing Battier and 2 first round picks? LOL, what was Courtside smoking? Calderon have a horrible contract and does not equal Battier + first round picks. I wouldn't even trade Battier for Calderon straight up, or TJ Ford for that matter.
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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#55 » by x- » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:09 pm

There absolutley no chance Morey will trade for washed up 3rd stringers with horrible contracts à la Mike Bibby, TJ Ford or Jose Calderon. None.

This trade was a luxary tax saving move, period. It's nice that it also creates a roster spot for a 3rd string PG, but if the Rockets decide to add another PG, it'll be a someone for the minimum (probably someone who didn't get drafted or a D-Leager w/o much NBA expirience).

Keeping Jeffries(' contract) will be important come trade deadline.
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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#56 » by red96 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:44 pm

aznkillabeezZz wrote:You can always depend on Toronto to trade for an overrated Euro league finesse player
And why does the Raptor board have 32+ pages about this trade? :eek1: Think if we would've given them the Chuckwagon. It would be breaking 60+ right now. :rofl2:
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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#57 » by MaxRider » Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:48 pm

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aznkillabeezZz wrote:You can always depend on Toronto to trade for an overrated Euro league finesse player
And why does the Raptor board have 32+ pages about this trade? :eek1: Think if we would've given them the Chuckwagon. :rofl2:

that's because everyone in Canada that watch NBA is a Raptors fan
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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#58 » by I hate pod 6 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:28 pm

Toronto fan here, I was wondering if you could help me out and let me know if these rumors about David Andersen are ture. I keep hearing people say he is the Australian version of Dwight Howard and just his presense in the paint makes his opposition's penis go down two sizes due to fear. Is there any truth in this?
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Post#59 » by MaxRider » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:32 pm

I hate pod 6 wrote:Toronto fan here, I was wondering if you could help me out and let me know if these rumors about David Andersen are ture. I keep hearing people say he is the Australian version of Dwight Howard and just his presense in the paint makes his opposition's penis go down two sizes due to fear. Is there any truth in this?


Aussie Dwight Howard? Maybe true if playing against high school kids.
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Re: David Andersen Traded To Toronto For 2nd Round Pick 

Post#60 » by zapatasblood » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:46 pm

I hate pod 6 wrote:Toronto fan here, I was wondering if you could help me out and let me know if these rumors about David Andersen are ture. I keep hearing people say he is the Australian version of Dwight Howard and just his presense in the paint makes his opposition's penis go down two sizes due to fear. Is there any truth in this?

HELLS NO! If that was the case we would not have spent almost all the MLE on Miller. Anderson is a less talented version of Bargnani and maybe even softer in the paint
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