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Re: Gasol=Bosh? 

Post#21 » by DubaLakers » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:12 am

Unt0uchabl3 wrote:Bosh seems to be the same players gasol was before he went to the lakers( even the first year with the lakers). Everyone calling him soft, just like they do bosh. Funny how things change when your on a great team. I really like to see how soft he is when we stop the lakers.


Bosh will improve playing with those superstars, as Gasol did it's natural. Pau got tougher. People forget how experienced Pau really is because of all that time with the national team.

They keep grouping in Bosh with Wade & LBJ, he's not a superstar like they are. He's their best big man, and he doesn't play likea BIG. He plays quick and skilled more than above the rim crashing boards and blocking shots.

I keep wondering how in the heck you guys are going to play, they aren't easy parts like Boston was. You almost want to run LBJ as a PF, he's going to be your best frontcourt defender.

Gasol is if not the best, the second best PF behind Dirk. Bosh would be #3.

As far as you guys stopping us. Let me lay it out for you. Barnes on Wade, Artest on LBJ, Kobe on your PG (Arroyo?), Pau on Bosh, Bynum on Anthony. OR Fisher on Arroyo, Kobe on Wade, Artest on LBJ, Pau on Bosh, Bynum on Anthony.

You guys are going to be good. I would guess just short of 60 wins, I'll guess 58, but championship? Not this year gentlemen. The Lakers were fortunate last year in that Game 7. Both sides were empty in the second half on a tough series and two day rest cross country trip. They won because they hit bigger shots and Artest played his best game as a Laker.

2 years from now you'll have more parts, but this year, our length is going to be too much, and look at our team now. No longer is Boston going to be the best defensive team in the league, the Lakers will be. Only injuries IMO can stop the Lakers from a threepeat.
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Re: Gasol=Bosh? 

Post#22 » by dflash3 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:18 am

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2 years from now you'll have more parts, but this year, our length is going to be too much, and look at our team now. No longer is Boston going to be the best defensive team in the league, the Lakers will be. Only injuries IMO can stop the Lakers from a threepeat.

Ive already said this several times, but here it is again.

The Heat have gone 2-2 against the Lakers the past two seasons with the biggest margin of victory being 3 points. And despite Haslem starting as Center a season ago the Heat split the match ups, and the Lakers weren't able to blow out the Heat despite their superior talent level and length. And this was against a squad that had only one serious offensive threat in Wade, which in theory should have made it really easy for the Lakers to stop the Heat by double and triple teaming him and packing the paint.

Against the Magic the Heat went 2-2 this season. So while the Heat still don't have a defensive presence in the paint people are over exaggerating the Heat's inability to go up against teams with solid post players.

I would say the Heat have adequately dealt with teams with a strong post presence despite being weak at the center position. And yes, Bynum and Gasol started for the Lakers on all four occasions.

Now it remains to be seen how both teams would handle themselves in a seven game series, but the Lakers are underestimating the Heat who have been playing with a height and offensive disadvantage for several seasons.
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Post#23 » by anotherhomer » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:41 am

Bosh, is quicker and athletic. He's not really soft as I would say he's tough, as in his earlier seasons, he battled with bigger stronger PFs but now, he's wised up to avoid unnecessary injuries.

On the defensive end, he's really great at playing team defence and position. The only reason he doesn't do that in Toronto is cuz he can't afford to get in foul trouble.

Watch his first season and Olympics, and you'll see Bosh being more that type of defensive oriented player and slasher.
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Post#24 » by Josh9691 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:44 am

To use the last two years regular season results to argue that the Heat match well with the Lakers in a 7 game playoff series is like arguing that given the Lakers will win a playoff series 4-2! based on their all time head to head regular season winning record against the head of 29-15 they will just cruise through!!
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Post#25 » by Lane1974 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:51 am

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matto21 wrote:Bosh cannot pass to save his life, takes plays off and can't defend. He doesn't have the skill set to be a sidekick.


I'm not even sure how he made it to the NBA.

Anyway, roles are going to be different so straight comparison are difficult. The Lakers are at their best when they are pounding the ball inside not watching Kobe dribble on the perimeter. The Heat will be better on the run and when the big 2 are creating.


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Post#26 » by stunnar0b » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:55 am

i actually liked bosh when i thought he knew his place in the league but apparently he doesnt. if he thinks just because he put up points on a scrub team and never once played a meaningful game, all of sudden he thinks hes the best PF. F**k that... until he steps up and proves he can handle under pressure its a joke comparing bosh to gasol.

and dont come back at me with Memphis
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Post#27 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:59 am

stunnar0b wrote:i actually liked bosh when i thought he knew his place in the league but apparently he doesnt. if he thinks just because he put up points on a scrub team and never once played a meaningful game, all of sudden he thinks hes the best PF. F**k that... until he steps up and proves he can handle under pressure its a joke comparing bosh to gasol.

and dont come back at me with Memphis

What does this even mean? How does he not "know his place"?
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Post#28 » by Miamis3rdRing » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:59 am

stunnar0b wrote:i actually liked bosh when i thought he knew his place in the league but apparently he doesnt. if he thinks just because he put up points on a scrub team and never once played a meaningful game, all of sudden he thinks hes the best PF. F**k that... until he steps up and proves he can handle under pressure its a joke comparing bosh to gasol.

and dont come back at me with Memphis


Memphis.

And Bosh never said he's the best PF...

Bosh > Gasol. Yeah I said it. Get mad.
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Post#29 » by BLACK MAMBA 24 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:00 am

Unt0uchabl3 wrote:Bosh seems to be the same players gasol was before he went to the lakers( even the first year with the lakers). Everyone calling him soft, just like they do bosh. Funny how things change when your on a great team. I really like to see how soft he is when we stop the lakers.

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Post#30 » by andre316 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:02 am

DubaLakers wrote:I keep wondering how in the heck you guys are going to play, they aren't easy parts like Boston was. You almost want to run LBJ as a PF, he's going to be your best frontcourt defender.

What worked for Boston was their different offensive skills, but what might work for our guys is their similar ones - simply because all of them, including Bosh, are so versatile. Against the Celtics you knew that Ray Allen's thing was coming off screen after screen to get good looks (or spotting up as a floor-spacing threat), KG was still great but was mostly a defensive star by that point, and Pierce was like a somewhat toned-down variation on Kobe/Wade.

You had a better idea of where and when to double each of them than I think most teams will have for these guys. Not saying that makes them a better or more dangerous Big 3, but I can't wait to see the game plan to slow them down. All I can think of that will work well is zone, but any time that's brought out it's only a matter of minutes before they get comfortable and figure out how to work around it.

It'll probably take constantly shifting defensive looks unless you have at least two All-NBA defensive stoppers - and I'll be the first to admit the Lakers come closest with Artest and Barnes.

DubaLakers wrote:Gasol is if not the best, the second best PF behind Dirk. Bosh would be #3.

For all the criticism Bosh gets for his game, though, Dirk is even more extreme. Dude is basically a gigantic 2-guard. Definitely one of the greats, and probably the only guy worthy of max money this summer other than our Big 3, but I usually dock him a few points when ranking PFs just because I don't think he ever really lived up to his physical potential. Has had moments where I thought he started taking that step, and no doubt a great work ethic throughout his career, but I just think he could have been destroying guys in the post for years by now.

DubaLakers wrote:As far as you guys stopping us. Let me lay it out for you. Barnes on Wade, Artest on LBJ, Kobe on your PG (Arroyo?), Pau on Bosh, Bynum on Anthony. OR Fisher on Arroyo, Kobe on Wade, Artest on LBJ, Pau on Bosh, Bynum on Anthony.

Definitely would make us work for our points, but I think you also have to look at how those guys would contain you on the other side. Some might laugh about Bosh's defense, but he's far better than Beasley, and LBJ is at least as good as Q-Rich, Jamario Moon, and Shawn Marion, and with those lineups we've split the last four games with you guys, like dflash3 pointed out.

Plus, with our Big 3 being probably the fastest star players at each of their positions, we'll probably be playing to our strengths in the open court, which was a vulnerability for you guys in the playoffs against OKC, Phoenix, and even Boston when Rondo was pushing the ball. You have to admit, your legs are yet another year older now.

DubaLakers wrote:You guys are going to be good. I would guess just short of 60 wins, I'll guess 58, but championship? Not this year gentlemen. The Lakers were fortunate last year in that Game 7. Both sides were empty in the second half on a tough series and two day rest cross country trip. They won because they hit bigger shots and Artest played his best game as a Laker.

I'm betting on about 62, partially because we'll be resting the last few games of the season. I don't think that's too far-fetched considering we're taking the 47 win Heat from last year and swapping Beasley for Bosh, LBJ for Q-Rich, and Mike Miller for Dorell Wright. Yeah we lost J.O., but we went 13-3 with Joel Anthony starting in his place, and with the pickup of Big Z (whose offensive game is sadly probably better than J.O.'s at this point) I'd say it's an overall wash at center.

As for the championship, I honestly think it comes down to whoever gets home court. Not that either team is going to be bad on the road, it's just that both are going to be ridiculous at home. I'm penciling you guys in as favorites as a matter of policy for me (reigning champs always start as the favorites in my book, unless there's been a dramatic roster change), but I also think your window is a lot smaller than you might believe.
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Post#33 » by jmbflame21 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:21 am

BLACK MAMBA 24 wrote:Miami hasent done nothing yet..they act like they won back to back..anything less than a championship would be a joke..

Hey buddy you know what..... youre a joke!



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Post#34 » by stunnar0b » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:24 am

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stunnar0b wrote:i actually liked bosh when i thought he knew his place in the league but apparently he doesnt. if he thinks just because he put up points on a scrub team and never once played a meaningful game, all of sudden he thinks hes the best PF. F**k that... until he steps up and proves he can handle under pressure its a joke comparing bosh to gasol.

and dont come back at me with Memphis


Memphis.

And Bosh never said he's the best PF...

Bosh > Gasol. Yeah I said it. Get mad.

its all good, i just wanna see how your boi bosh holds up come THE REAL SEASON . at 6'10 230 we're see how he does in the land of the giants. give him a steady stream of post ups and he'll be heading to the bench real quick
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Post#35 » by Miamis3rdRing » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:26 am

stunnar0b wrote:its all good, i just wanna see how your boi bosh holds up come THE REAL SEASON . at 6'10 230 we're see how he does in the land of the giants. give him a steady stream of post ups and he'll be heading to the bench real quick


Nah...

If you guys make the Finals (Don't worry, we'll be there) Bosh is going to dunk on Gasol's head during the first play of the game.

Gasol will be so shaken up that he will ask to come out of the game, and book the next flight back to Spain. :lol:
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Post#36 » by dflash3 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:27 am

Josh9691 wrote:To use the last two years regular season results to argue that the Heat match well with the Lakers in a 7 game playoff series is like arguing that given the Lakers will win a playoff series 4-2! based on their all time head to head regular season winning record against the head of 29-15 they will just cruise through!!

Well what is a better way to make a comparison between two teams that have never met in the postseason than using the two most recent years or even just this season to make an educated guess at how the two opponents match up?

If the Lakers went 3-1 or 4-0 against the Heat the last two years you'd probably point it out in all your posts. Ignoring records, the last two years of samples I used should favor the Lakers heavily, since the roster has been superior in comparison to what the Heat had the last two years. The Heat after this offseason have a much more competitive and talented roster now. I think you are choosing to dismiss the last two seasons just because the Lakers failed to capitalize on a squad they should have blown out given their talent and length that every single Laker fan keeps pointing out.

Also, instead of spending so much time lurking on the Heat forum go back to the Laker board where there will be plenty of fellow Kobe fans who will embrace whatever claims you make. Seriously to all Laker fans go back to your board or the general board where plenty of other teams will be more than happy to talk about how much the Heat suck.
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Post#38 » by dflash3 » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:33 am

stunnar0b wrote:its all good, i just wanna see how your boi bosh holds up come THE REAL SEASON . at 6'10 230 we're see how he does in the land of the giants. give him a steady stream of post ups and he'll be heading to the bench real quick

People tend to have really short term memories. Pau Gasol was swept in the play offs in the three appearances he made with the Grizzlies. Now that he is on a team with a better supporting cast he is on a winning team, and is benefiting from not having to be the focal point of the offense every single game.

I wouldn't be too worried about Bosh being a positive contributor to the Heat when the Heat managed to get Walker to buy into their system.
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Post#39 » by RJM » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:54 am

While Pau (in my personal opinion) is more brilliant than Bosh (when it comes to understanding the game and knowing/understanding its nuances), Bosh in his own way is a top-shelf talent that will become quite possibly the best big man in the League this year. I think I do see the comparisons the OP is trying to make here, though.
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Post#40 » by stunnar0b » Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:42 am

you shouldve left your post -coolstorybro, it was the only one i agreed with

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