Keeping an eye on Ex-Warriors

FNQ · Post #41 » by **FNQ** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:20 pm

@ still supporting Mullin... he gave Twardzik and Saint a run for their money as worst GM we had under the Cohan era

Thugleavy_34 · Post #42 » by **Thugleavy_34** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:27 pm

FireNellieQuick wrote:AR by far has the most potential of anyone in that group... except maybe Pietrus.

Thats what AR was though, a taller version of Pietrus... people hate to accept that reality, because Pietrus never improved. AR still has that shot, but he's still a maddening inconsistent, turnover-prone player that can put up #s, but not ones that really matter.

I just think its pretty sad that people would prefer to root for AR even moreso now that he's a Knick just because of a FO grudge... says to me that they are a fan of their own takes, not the team

I think AR's mental capacity is very high, he just needs to continue maturing. I've always felt that his heart is one not to be underestimated. If he needs to shore up his IQ by getting his head in the books and watching game film, he'll do it, even if he has to go through growing pains along the way.

Future Coach · Post #43 » by **Future Coach** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:27 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:It's true though, Radnolph is better than O'bryant, Diogu, Barnes, Pietrus etc

The difference is that we got an All-Star PF entering his prime that just averaged 20-12-4. That's right, we traded a good backup PF for an All-Star PF and you guys are all bitching about it. Good Lord.

I don't think anyone is saying we downgraded by acquiring Lee, as Lee is clearly more ready to contribute offensively than probably any Warriors front court player since Webber.

The issue is that this sign & trade deal perfectly exemplified how the Warriors don't get anything close to top value when cashing in their assets. If they envisioned at any point before that Randolph would not be with the team this next season (which I kind of doubt because it seems the Warriors have no foresight), then he should have been moved in another deal previously for at the very least a future draft pick (likewise with Azubuike and Turiaf who were both on good value contracts). Instead the Warriors proceeded to give up the most talent the NBA has ever seen moved in a sign & trade deal.

So again, the addition of Lee is not what's so bad, it's how they went about acquiring him.

Thugleavy_34 · Post #44 » by **Thugleavy_34** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:31 pm

oaktownwarriors87 wrote:It's true though, Radnolph is better than O'bryant, Diogu, Barnes, Pietrus etc

The difference is that we got an All-Star PF entering his prime that just averaged 20-12-4. That's right, we traded a good backup PF for an All-Star PF and you guys are all bitching about it. Good Lord.

I don't think he's just better, I think that he projects out to be an elite player. That was never the case with those other guys. The trade is done, I've accepted it, I'm rooting for Lee, but I will still very much follow Randolph's career as a Knick. He'd be one of my favorite players even if he was never a Warrior.

GSWhoopfan · Post #45 » by **GSWhoopfan** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 8:44 pm

GSForever wrote:Still trying to hammer a moot point there huh? Your funny! You actually believe the BS that your mind is feeding you. Why don't u stop bashing former players and praise the one you already have?

Im not trying to bash anyone. If Randolph actually developed his skills with his athleticism hed be a fringe star. Its his own fault for not wanting to get better. I have no issues with him getting better, remaining at par, or getting worse. If he gets good...Good. If he sucks, oh well. No longer a dub...next.

The way the Warriors are (were) built wasnt going to go anywhere. But player development was actually succeeding.

And its not BS that my mind is feeding me. If there was ever a time when the Warriors quit, then id be upset. But the Warriors competed all season and have been for the past couple. I cant stand to watch the team quit.

Post #46 » by **floppymoose** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:55 pm

Wall Street Journal on AR:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 21386.html

Purdman · Post #47 » by **Purdman** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:56 pm

Hi Warriors fan.

I am a New Yorker who used to eat Tim and Chris burgers (or was it Chris and Tim?) when i lived in Fremont from age 4-9. I'm a huge Knicks fan so I am very excited with the sign and trade, while still very sad to be losing such a great player as David Lee.

First, David Lee is a pleasure to watch (on offense at least) and has shown an amazing work ethic, improving his game in many ways every year. Last season he started to run our offense, picking up pretty assists, and taking his man off the dribble from the top of the key. His jumpshot was also automatic from mid-long range, and I'm sure soon he will be able to hit 3's with regularity if Nellie lets him. His rebounding is top notch. He can catch any pass thrown his way in traffic and finish with finesse or authority. The pick and roll with Steph Curry and Lee will truly be unstoppable. The guy is a beast on the boards and will easily average double digit rebounds again. He is just hitting his prime and I'm sure you will all be big fans, and he seems like a nice guy. His defense is pitiful, as you will see he often just puts his hands up straight and watches as his man swerves around him to the rack.

From what i've read about Anthony Randolph, he can really rebound and block shots. True? The Knicks need someone to fill in for Lee's rebounding, since Amar'e is sub par, and they've been desparate for a shot blocker for a while. Can he play center? What are your main complaints about him? Can he shoot a jump shot? He is saying all the right things and really seems ready to step up. Should I temper my expectations?

Thanks and have fun with D Lee and Steph Curry, a combo I wish the Knicks would have had last season but you guys stole Curry!

Visigoth · Post #48 » by **Visigoth** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 8:59 pm

Purdman wrote:Hi Warriors fan.

I am a New Yorker who used to eat Tim and Chris burgers (or was it Chris and Tim?) when i lived in Fremont from age 4-9. I'm a huge Knicks fan so I am very excited with the sign and trade, while still very sad to be losing such a great player as David Lee.

First, David Lee is a pleasure to watch (on offense at least) and has shown an amazing work ethic, improving his game in many ways every year. Last season he started to run our offense, picking up pretty assists, and taking his man off the dribble from the top of the key. His jumpshot was also automatic from mid-long range, and I'm sure soon he will be able to hit 3's with regularity if Nellie lets him. His rebounding is top notch. He can catch any pass thrown his way in traffic and finish with finesse or authority. The pick and roll with Steph Curry and Lee will truly be unstoppable. The guy is a beast on the boards and will easily average double digit rebounds again. He is just hitting his prime and I'm sure you will all be big fans, and he seems like a nice guy. His defense is pitiful, as you will see he often just puts his hands up straight and watches as his man swerves around him to the rack.

From what i've read about Anthony Randolph, he can really rebound and block shots. True? The Knicks need someone to fill in for Lee's rebounding, since Amar'e is sub par, and they've been desparate for a shot blocker for a while. Can he play center? What are your main complaints about him? Can he shoot a jump shot? He is saying all the right things and really seems ready to step up. Should I temper my expectations?

Thanks and have fun with D Lee and Steph Curry, a combo I wish the Knicks would have had last season but you guys stole Curry!

Our main complaints about him are that a) he's fragile and undersized and b) he's complacent. With the exception of durability, his size and maturity will change over the span of a few years. AR has had to play the 5 for us a few times, but playing him at the 5 is about as futile as you guys playing Lee at the 5. He's better suited to the 4 and 3 - mostly the 4, though. He's not known for his jumper, but he does have the ability to play off the elbow. His rebounding can be hampered by a strong body, but his length and athleticism will definitely allow him to be a solid shot blocker.

Twinkie defense · Post #49 » by **Twinkie defense** » Tue Jul 27, 2010 11:48 pm

Thugleavy_34 wrote:I think AR's mental capacity is very high, he just needs to continue maturing. I've always felt that his heart is one not to be underestimated. If he needs to shore up his IQ by getting his head in the books and watching game film, he'll do it, even if he has to go through growing pains along the way.

Just this summer AR said he realized he needs to quit relying on just his athleticism and be smarter and more in control with his game. That it took him 2 years just to understand that is a little scary.

I was glad to hear that Nellie was insisting that AR focus on rebounding while on the court and not try to do too much. But instead of heeding that advice and trying to master the basics, AR is still talking about the dribble-drive and guarding smaller players on the perimeter. Sigh... I just haven't seen that he gets it, and if he doesn't get it now, what makes you think he would ever get it? Seems to me, you either get it, or you don't.

GuitarMan · Post #50 » by **GuitarMan** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:42 am

Be prepared for lots of head-scratching, with brief moments of ecstasy as AR blows your mind with some impossibly athletic maneuver that will have your jaw hitting the floor. Then, more head-scratching as you watch AR try to figure out the game of basketball. Then, another moment or two of sheer joy, and so on. If he becomes truly coachable (and to this point I don't think that's been the case, at all, but that may be due in part to Nellie not being able to get through to the youngster), AR will be an absolute monster. It will be fascinating to watch how he develops over the next couple of years.

old rem · Post #51 » by **old rem** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:29 pm

Purdman wrote:Hi Warriors fan.

I am a New Yorker who used to eat Tim and Chris burgers (or was it Chris and Tim?) when i lived in Fremont from age 4-9. I'm a huge Knicks fan so I am very excited with the sign and trade, while still very sad to be losing such a great player as David Lee.

First, David Lee is a pleasure to watch (on offense at least) and has shown an amazing work ethic, improving his game in many ways every year. Last season he started to run our offense, picking up pretty assists, and taking his man off the dribble from the top of the key. His jumpshot was also automatic from mid-long range, and I'm sure soon he will be able to hit 3's with regularity if Nellie lets him. His rebounding is top notch. He can catch any pass thrown his way in traffic and finish with finesse or authority. The pick and roll with Steph Curry and Lee will truly be unstoppable. The guy is a beast on the boards and will easily average double digit rebounds again. He is just hitting his prime and I'm sure you will all be big fans, and he seems like a nice guy. His defense is pitiful, as you will see he often just puts his hands up straight and watches as his man swerves around him to the rack.

From what i've read about Anthony Randolph, he can really rebound and block shots. True? The Knicks need someone to fill in for Lee's rebounding, since Amar'e is sub par, and they've been desparate for a shot blocker for a while. Can he play center? What are your main complaints about him? Can he shoot a jump shot? He is saying all the right things and really seems ready to step up. Should I temper my expectations?

Thanks and have fun with D Lee and Steph Curry, a combo I wish the Knicks would have had last season but you guys stole Curry!

Sid The Squid called him The Next Magic......rather comically,from a poster known for sarcasm and overstatement. AR HAD shown handles,got some asst in summer ball......not CLOSE to Magic Johnson.
AR,is QUICK,is aggressive,can soar. Play him 30+ min..he gets 10 reb. The kid has a RARE skillset,he added some beef/muscle,he has the handles to bring the ball up or to drive. He has the quick reactions to be a TOP shot blocker. HE NEEDS MINUTES. Nellie is a PUTZ when it comes to young TALL people. A non athletic SF in his day,he tends to bully,delay,obstruct guys EXACTLY like Randolph. He can be 5-20 on the season yet not want to invest minutes in his lotto big men because "they are too raw". The SANE/WISE thing is you PLAY Randolph 30-35 min,and you grimace when he makes a few mistakes ....BUT.....he LEARNS.

AR has a J. His % is just okay,but I think it gets better. I don't see him shooting a lot of 3's but...who knows. Maybe in a few years. Unlike Lee....he has a big impact on D. One game he had 6 blocks at the half, 8 total. You can figure there were MANY shots influenced. Defense,what AR WILL DO.....is why the deal was a fatal mistake for GSW. Lee will do his score/reb thing but will be such a void on D that GSW can't hide him. AR may or may not ever average 20, but is an asset on D and a big + in a transition game,his ability to run,handle,enables fast breaks.

He was 20 yr old. He needed to be entrusted with a 30+ min role,and GSW failed miserably and took the easy way out...the LOSER way out. D'Antoni is Nellie minus the self destructive obsessions and that is ideal for AR. AR will THRIVE when given some leash. As is often the case with young bigs, being in the game for runs of 15+ min,rather than fragments and a quick hook,equals fast progress.
He learns off mistakes,he discovers what's working. He has the toolbox to be a star. he needed a situation to ENHANCE what he has,not obstruct. Lucky guy.

Knick fans were impressed with Gallo.......wait till Randolph gets going.

old rem · Post #52 » by **old rem** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:39 pm

GuitarMan wrote:Be prepared for lots of head-scratching, with brief moments of ecstasy as AR blows your mind with some impossibly athletic maneuver that will have your jaw hitting the floor. Then, more head-scratching as you watch AR try to figure out the game of basketball. Then, another moment or two of sheer joy, and so on. If he becomes truly coachable (and to this point I don't think that's been the case, at all, but that may be due in part to Nellie not being able to get through to the youngster), AR will be an absolute monster. It will be fascinating to watch how he develops over the next couple of years.

Nellie got in the way. AR was rightfully frustrated,distracted,paranoid. He is a rare player with such a BROAD skill set,yet ALL of his skill have to be fine tuned ON THE FLOOR,and that was not getting done.
So, he makes mistakes...they DRAFTED A YOUNG FRESHMAN. On those occaisions he was TRUSTED to adapt,usually he did.

for a LOSING team to SIT a kid with unlimited upside, is plain dumb. BFD....you win or lose a game enroute to another sub-.500 year. BFD. Randolph was a HOPE for GSW to someday be a contender. He was another blown opportunity. Time will tell if this is like GSW trading a young Robert Parrish.

KR4 · Post #53 » by **KR4** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 2:53 pm

.....or Webber.

Coxy · Post #54 » by **Coxy** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:51 am

old rem wrote:
Purdman wrote:Hi Warriors fan.

I am a New Yorker who used to eat Tim and Chris burgers (or was it Chris and Tim?) when i lived in Fremont from age 4-9. I'm a huge Knicks fan so I am very excited with the sign and trade, while still very sad to be losing such a great player as David Lee.

First, David Lee is a pleasure to watch (on offense at least) and has shown an amazing work ethic, improving his game in many ways every year. Last season he started to run our offense, picking up pretty assists, and taking his man off the dribble from the top of the key. His jumpshot was also automatic from mid-long range, and I'm sure soon he will be able to hit 3's with regularity if Nellie lets him. His rebounding is top notch. He can catch any pass thrown his way in traffic and finish with finesse or authority. The pick and roll with Steph Curry and Lee will truly be unstoppable. The guy is a beast on the boards and will easily average double digit rebounds again. He is just hitting his prime and I'm sure you will all be big fans, and he seems like a nice guy. His defense is pitiful, as you will see he often just puts his hands up straight and watches as his man swerves around him to the rack.

From what i've read about Anthony Randolph, he can really rebound and block shots. True? The Knicks need someone to fill in for Lee's rebounding, since Amar'e is sub par, and they've been desparate for a shot blocker for a while. Can he play center? What are your main complaints about him? Can he shoot a jump shot? He is saying all the right things and really seems ready to step up. Should I temper my expectations?

Thanks and have fun with D Lee and Steph Curry, a combo I wish the Knicks would have had last season but you guys stole Curry!

Sid The Squid called him The Next Magic......rather comically,from a poster known for sarcasm and overstatement. AR HAD shown handles,got some asst in summer ball......not CLOSE to Magic Johnson.
AR,is QUICK,is aggressive,can soar. Play him 30+ min..he gets 10 reb. The kid has a RARE skillset,he added some beef/muscle,he has the handles to bring the ball up or to drive. He has the quick reactions to be a TOP shot blocker. HE NEEDS MINUTES. Nellie is a PUTZ when it comes to young TALL people. A non athletic SF in his day,he tends to bully,delay,obstruct guys EXACTLY like Randolph. He can be 5-20 on the season yet not want to invest minutes in his lotto big men because "they are too raw". The SANE/WISE thing is you PLAY Randolph 30-35 min,and you grimace when he makes a few mistakes ....BUT.....he LEARNS.

AR has a J. His % is just okay,but I think it gets better. I don't see him shooting a lot of 3's but...who knows. Maybe in a few years. Unlike Lee....he has a big impact on D. One game he had 6 blocks at the half, 8 total. You can figure there were MANY shots influenced. Defense,what AR WILL DO.....is why the deal was a fatal mistake for GSW. Lee will do his score/reb thing but will be such a void on D that GSW can't hide him. AR may or may not ever average 20, but is an asset on D and a big + in a transition game,his ability to run,handle,enables fast breaks.

He was 20 yr old. He needed to be entrusted with a 30+ min role,and GSW failed miserably and took the easy way out...the LOSER way out. D'Antoni is Nellie minus the self destructive obsessions and that is ideal for AR. AR will THRIVE when given some leash. As is often the case with young bigs, being in the game for runs of 15+ min,rather than fragments and a quick hook,equals fast progress.
He learns off mistakes,he discovers what's working. He has the toolbox to be a star. he needed a situation to ENHANCE what he has,not obstruct. Lucky guy.

Knick fans were impressed with Gallo.......wait till Randolph gets going.

I feel like cryingafter reading that post rem, my Randolph hangover just kicked right back in.

****.

St.Nick · Post #55 » by **St.Nick** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:29 am

Well, this argument is going to kill the posting career of a few guys on here. That's for sure.

Coxy · Post #56 » by **Coxy** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:53 am

Posting career?? I didn't realise this was that serious.

and1GS · Post #57 » by **and1GS** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:28 am

It is, now STFU you small dick aussie!!!!
^it's not racist because you're white rather than asian

St.Nick · Post #58 » by **St.Nick** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:29 am

Coxy wrote:Posting career?? I didn't realise this was that serious.

If one is making thousands of posts, most with a message, then yeah its serious for them.

Nobody wants to be the guy that is constantly wrong if they have any hope of having people respect their opinion. If you are just here for making funny posts, then its not a big deal what you say, other than to get a laugh. But I think most people want to be respected for their ideas.

Coxy · Post #59 » by **Coxy** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:37 am

and1GS wrote:It is, now STFU you small dick aussie!!!!
^it's not racist because you're white rather than asian

Bye Bye Bustsmalldick

Coxy · Post #60 » by **Coxy** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 8:38 am

St.Nick wrote:
Coxy wrote:Posting career?? I didn't realise this was that serious.

If one is making thousands of posts, most with a message, then yeah its serious for them.

Nobody wants to be the guy that is constantly wrong if they have any hope of having people respect their opinion. If you are just here for making funny posts, then its not a big deal what you say, other than to get a laugh. But I think most people want to be respected for their ideas.

Fair enough. We'll just have to wait and see how the Randolph situation pans out over time. I do believe it's gonna hurt one day.