Pacers Shopping Dunleavy, Ford

Moooose · Post #1 » by **Moooose** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:27 am

http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/archives/2010/07/pacers_trying_t.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Dunleavy being included in the talks is really not that surprising. It would be hard to move him out because of his injuries. Typical scenario would be trading him to a team looking for expirings and taking in a longer contract. I wonder which teams like him and would make that call to Larry.

PerkinsFor3 · Post #2 » by **PerkinsFor3** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:56 am

How about your favorite trade partner the Raps? Calderon might like Indiana.

Post #3 » by **Gremz** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:28 am

Calderon??????

OH NOES!

The Webb · Post #4 » by **The Webb** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:07 pm

Could see you guys fetching a late 2nd round pick out of both.

8305 · Post #5 » by **8305** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:15 pm

Moooose wrote:http://blogs.indystar.com/pacersinsider/archives/2010/07/pacers_trying_t.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Dunleavy being included in the talks is really not that surprising. It would be hard to move him out because of his injuries. Typical scenario would be trading him to a team looking for expirings and taking in a longer contract. I wonder which teams like him and would make that call to Larry.

Agree, that the likely trade would be for someone with a longer contract who stands to help the team more in the future than Dunleavy. If its a veteran point guard the only two names that come to mind are Calderon and Hinrich. The Calderon trade is probably there to be made any time. Personally I think Hinrich is the better fit.

shrink · Post #6 » by **shrink** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:48 pm

I can certainly understand the Pacers desire to move TJ Ford and Dunleavy, since they are not part of your future and only will use up minutes that could be better spent on young players that will be part of your future. However, with both TJ Ford ($8.5 mil) and Dunleavy ($10.5 mil) unlikely to produce up to their price-tag, moving them leaves IND with two choices .. neither particularly good. I'm curious which way you see them going?

1. Add a more productive, but still over-paid multi-year contract. This seems unlikely to me because the team has done a fine job coordinating it's expirings to maximize its cap space in 2011. Big contract guys are generally older as well, and it seems unlikely you'd find someone young, overpaid, and a guy that fits your future plans.

2. Add value to the deal by including youth. Right now, it seems like you guys put a pretty high premium on many of your young players, hoping each will become their highest potential. Unfortunately, it will take some sacrifice to move these big deals. For example, you may like Brandon Rush at $2 mil, but a package of Brandon Rush + TJ Ford is still not worth $10.5 mil. Do you think you'll inject enough youth into a package to move one of these contracts, and if so, who?

I suppose there is a third alternative, finding other teams with expiring, over-priced players that are a better fit. It moves your players while maintaining your expirings and not touching youth, but probably doesn't free up the minutes. Still, a deal like

TJ Ford + Dunleavy for Eddy Curry (less productive expiring) + prospect

.. might be your best chance.

Your thoughts?

Post #7 » by **mizzoupacers** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 2:56 pm

Here's a hypothetical scenario, just for grins: Ford and Dunleavy to the Wizards for Arenas. The salaries match!

I could see the Wizards doing it...they are in cost-cutting mode, so $18 million worth of expiring contracts might really appeal to them. They get rid of Arenas and his toxic (to them) combo of humongous contract and bad PR. They make room for Wall, plus they have Hinrich now too.

Would Bird do it? It would be a huge talent upgrade for the Pacers, who have one of the least-talented backcourts in the league. But there are plenty of reasons not to do it as well, starting with the idea of paying $20 million a year for the next four seasons for a guy with a few screws loose, whose image might not play well in Indiana.

Thoughts? (My thought is NO, but it would be an interesting offer.)

8305 · Post #8 » by **8305** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:09 pm

Assuming you're able to get past Arenas' off the court, idiot issues I still think it would be absolutely insane to give expiring contracts for him. Four more years at 20 mil per year and his injury history? You would have to be nuts to take that on.

Dunthreevy · Post #9 » by **Dunthreevy** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:12 pm

The Pacers are shopping TJ Ford and Mike Dunleavy...

...and in other news, the sky is blue, water is wet, and boobs are good.

Post #10 » by **mizzoupacers** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:25 pm

8305 wrote:Assuming you're able to get past Arenas' off the court, idiot issues I still think it would be absolutely insane to give expiring contracts for him. Four more years at 20 mil per year and his injury history? You would have to be nuts to take that on.

I think I'm with you...the whole Jermaine O'Neal fiasco taught me that no one short of Kobe is worth $20 million a year. Huge risk of getting totally burned by someone like Arenas.

It's intriguing to me, though, because Arenas is just so much better than any guard the Pacers currently have. If all went well.

Post #11 » by **mizzoupacers** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:31 pm

shrink wrote:
TJ Ford + Dunleavy for Eddy Curry (less productive expiring) + prospect

Your thoughts?

My thought is that it would have to be a really good prospect.

Curry is worthless. At least there's hope that Dunleavy is healthy again and ready to have a productive season. And Ford is currently the only pg we have who is not injured or a second-round-pick rookie.

Indy2thaWindy · Post #12 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:33 pm

Murphy, Ford, Rush/Hansbrough for Arenas and Blatche/McGee. We fill the PG spot with Arenas and get a young 4 in either Blatche or McGee. I don't like Arenas' contract, but who does. Wizards need to add incentive to get expirings for Arenas tho. They also get a decent return.

Boneman2 · Post #13 » by **Boneman2** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:51 pm

mizzoupacers wrote:
8305 wrote:Assuming you're able to get past Arenas' off the court, idiot issues I still think it would be absolutely insane to give expiring contracts for him. Four more years at 20 mil per year and his injury history? You would have to be nuts to take that on.

I think I'm with you...the whole Jermaine O'Neal fiasco taught me that no one short of Kobe is worth $20 million a year. Huge risk of getting totally burned by someone like Arenas.

It's intriguing to me, though, because Arenas is just so much better than any guard the Pacers currently have. If all went well.

For me it was the whole JRose fiasco. We were lucky to get out of that deal, real lucky. Atleast JO came closer to earning his, although he fell well short. JRose was a dime a dozen wing.

shrink · Post #14 » by **shrink** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:55 pm

mizzoupacers wrote:
shrink wrote:
TJ Ford + Dunleavy for Eddy Curry (less productive expiring) + prospect

Your thoughts?

My thought is that it would have to be a really good prospect.

Curry is worthless. At least there's hope that Dunleavy is healthy again and ready to have a productive season. And Ford is currently the only pg we have who is not injured or a second-round-pick rookie.

And today Curry has a warrant out for his arrest, so I think that makes it even more unlikely.

I was actually asking your thoughts on the path IND is likely to take:

1. Add future salary by trading for an overpaid, but more productive vet
2. Soup up the offer by including your youth
3. Trade expirings for expirings, just to move Ford and Dunleavy.

ahartleyvu · Post #15 » by **ahartleyvu** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:02 pm

I'd definitely do Ford/MDJ for Curry/Douglas. Ford and MDJ are pretty worthless to me. We could 'Tinsley' Curry and then trade him at the deadline for a quality player with a few years on his contract.

Spider156 · Post #16 » by **Spider156** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:42 pm

Pistons would be happy to move Rip and Maxiell or Charlie for some players of the Pacers.

colts2004 · Post #17 » by **colts2004** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:43 pm

ahartleyvu wrote:I'd definitely do Ford/MDJ for Curry/Douglas. Ford and MDJ are pretty worthless to me. We could 'Tinsley' Curry and then trade him at the deadline for a quality player with a few years on his contract.

How is MDJ worthless? He's been hurt... Dont forget a couple years ago he averaged around 19 ppg

There is no way Bird would trade for someone like Curry whose always in trouble

8305 · Post #18 » by **8305** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:09 pm

Dunthreevy wrote:The Pacers are shopping TJ Ford and Mike Dunleavy...

...and in other news, the sky is blue, water is wet, and boobs are good.

Leave it to Mike Wells to fish out the really tough stuff to figure out.

Wizop · Post #19 » by **Wizop** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 9:57 pm

the Wells piece does tell me a few things between the lines. 1) trying to get a PG by trading TJ isn't working so even though Dunleavy's value will rise considerably if he can demonstrate in the early season that he's back to form, we're willing to include him. 2) Foster is either not drawing interest or we want to keep him.

I would have shopped Foster before offering Dunleavy.

Post #20 » by **mizzoupacers** » Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:24 pm

Has there been any news this summer about Foster's injury status? Because I'm wondering at this point if he's going to announce his retirement due to health issues before the season starts.

That would be a sad day, but I guess it would free a roster spot so the Pacers could add a pg and still sign Rolle.