rockymac52 wrote:TDevilsG wrote:rockymac52 wrote:And you're right, they're not elite, but who said a point guard can only be good if they're surrounded by elite talent?
I'm not trying to argue that the Wizards are title contenders or anything close to that, I was just responding to the guy who said that Wall will only be as good as the talent that surrounds him.
Other allstar level PGs have succeeded in the past with far less talent than Wall currently has (INCLUDING DERRICK ROSE). And the whole idea behind having a great PG is that they are the ones who are supposed to get their teammates involved and make their teammates better (see Steve Nash). So ideally Wall will make his teammates better. We'll see.
You can press the quote button, you know. It's actually pretty easy.
The point I was trying to convey was that the point guard position probably directly benefits the most from decent players surrounding him. Not elite players, as was mentioned, but decent players who could finish. Most of us would claim that the most important stat for a point guard is his assists ratio. The amount of assists he racks up will be based upon who can finish around him. Rose actually has decent talent surrounding him; not "elite" talent, but good enough talent. They aren't contenders by any stretch of the imagination (If my Nets could beat them last year, they probably weren't very good) with the lineup they have, but they're not awful either. Somewhere near average with this current lineup.
I agree; the Point Guard position is supposed to make his teammates better. You could list a whole other bunch of names besides Steve Nash for point guards who have made their teammates better. But Steve Nash has also had pretty good talent surrounding him throughout the past five years. Definitely underrated talent. You don't get to the Western Conference Finals without having a halfway competent overall team.
I agree, and I'm not trying to say that Nash was playing with scrubs who he magically turned into stars or good role players. I simply used Nash as an example because he was the first person who popped into my mind when the topic of PGs who make their teammates better was raised.
After the FA signings this year, Rose has a much better squad around him. Last year he didn't really have that much all things considered. I'm saying that Wall's teammates right now offer more talent than say what Rose had last year. Not saying the Wizards are going to perform better in the Ws and Ls columns, but that's a completely different debate.
Well I definitely agree with you. Nash has always been one of my favorite players in this league. Simply an absurd talent with great court vision. Him and Jason Kidd (of the early/mid decade) were two of my favorite point guards that I've ever watched. And their best attribute? They made their team's better by a huge proportion. Hopefully Wall can elevate his teammates game as well because Washington has been sitting in a pool of mediocrity for many years now.
He's the Tmac of PGs this past decade. 
