This is the way I look at it...
Evans has one of the Kings Guard spots locked up as a long term solution
Between Casspi & Greene (in my mind, more likely Casspi) the Kings are likely to have their SF long term solution
Between Cousins & Whiteside, the Kings are likely to have their long term solution at Center
Thompson may be the long term solution at PF, but that is still undecided.
Landry, Udrih & Garcia are solid players and fit with our current needs but are probably a little too old to be considered part of the core and could all be made available for the right return
Dalembert probably won't be made available until near the trade deadline, if at all, to give time for Cousins and/or Whiteside to ease into their new roles in case they don't get off to the roaring start that Evans did.
So basically, if the Kings were looking to deal, and Landry were to be included, I would think that the deal would have to include a PF that would be more likely to be a long term solution at the position than Jason Thompson, or a short term PF and a guy that has the potential to be that long term solution to that other Guard position next to Evans.
The Kings are in a good enough position now to where they don't really have to make a deal they don't want to, but I have no trouble believing that Petrie would jump on the right offer should it come along.
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I recently posted this in response to one of the Carl Landry trade ideas on the trade board and while I think it's generally accurate, I'd like to see if it's the general consensus of most kings fans......
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I like Evans in that 1/2 guard position and feel Cousins will be a great five. I also feel JT will be our four of the future. He has all the attributes we want next to DMC and hopefully will learn not to pick up the ticky tack fouls and quit the whining. He has shown good growth as a player and has great size. Casspi and Greene are solid at the three. We just need another 1 / 2 who is a great outside shooter and could defend the Kobes, LBJ's, Wades, of the universe to play off Evans. I say if we dump Landry we try and find a player who fits that role. Hopefully, Greene will develop into the scorer of the bench but I still think we need that BJax type player. Whiteside looked great in Summer League and could be the stopper off the bench. Fill the Keon role that he never really did.
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The issue with Landry is what's his market value and can we resign him? I say it in those terms because he's a free agent next season so Landry may just decide he's leaving.
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Personally I think the Kings only have two positions locked up for the future, possibly three.
Tyreke at either the 1 or 2 depending on what position we decide to settle him at and Cousins at the 5. Thompson possibly could be at the four depending on his improvement in the next couple years
Other than that, we need another star player at the 1, 2 or 3 (again this depends on if Evans is a 1 or 2)
We could hope we trade for a star 3 (with Greene or Casspi becoming a top backup and one of them on the move) or hope we draft an impact three in next years draft. Or the Same could be said for the 1 or 2 spot with Beno moving to the bench or being moved.
Out of all that, I would prefer moving Beno out of the starting lineup and upgrading with a star running mate with Tyreke in the backcourt and having Casspi and Greene handling the three spot.
Right now, I like what we have going, but even with major development, I still think we are a star away from being a legit team (as in title contention)
Tyreke at either the 1 or 2 depending on what position we decide to settle him at and Cousins at the 5. Thompson possibly could be at the four depending on his improvement in the next couple years
Other than that, we need another star player at the 1, 2 or 3 (again this depends on if Evans is a 1 or 2)
We could hope we trade for a star 3 (with Greene or Casspi becoming a top backup and one of them on the move) or hope we draft an impact three in next years draft. Or the Same could be said for the 1 or 2 spot with Beno moving to the bench or being moved.
Out of all that, I would prefer moving Beno out of the starting lineup and upgrading with a star running mate with Tyreke in the backcourt and having Casspi and Greene handling the three spot.
Right now, I like what we have going, but even with major development, I still think we are a star away from being a legit team (as in title contention)
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Hold on one second.
Landry is 26 and entering his fourth year in the league. How is that "a little too old"? He has at least another 10 seasons in the league, and has yet to enter his prime.
Petrie traded Kevin Martin for him with him in mind as our PF of the future. He did the trade more to acquire Landry than to dump Kevin Martin. Check the post-trade interview videos.
He averaged a K-Mart-esque-efficient 18 ppg for us last year, second only to Tyreke's 20. He's our only other proven and consistent offensive threat. He is definitely part of Petrie's future plans. I trade JT before I trade him, and I get ready to pay the man next season unless his production drops. People act like they didn't watch him in the playoffs when he was with the Rockets putting up 30 as a 6th man.
Landry is 26 and entering his fourth year in the league. How is that "a little too old"? He has at least another 10 seasons in the league, and has yet to enter his prime.
Petrie traded Kevin Martin for him with him in mind as our PF of the future. He did the trade more to acquire Landry than to dump Kevin Martin. Check the post-trade interview videos.
He averaged a K-Mart-esque-efficient 18 ppg for us last year, second only to Tyreke's 20. He's our only other proven and consistent offensive threat. He is definitely part of Petrie's future plans. I trade JT before I trade him, and I get ready to pay the man next season unless his production drops. People act like they didn't watch him in the playoffs when he was with the Rockets putting up 30 as a 6th man.
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Landry will be 27 before the season starts (although i am not saying he is too old).
I like Landry, but depending on how much we are going to pay him his next offseason will determine if i want to keep him.
Landry will be 27 before the season starts (although i am not saying he is too old).
I like Landry, but depending on how much we are going to pay him his next offseason will determine if i want to keep him.
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ICMTM wrote:The issue with Landry is what's his market value and can we resign him? I say it in those terms because he's a free agent next season so Landry may just decide he's leaving.
I agree. I hope Petrie is getting some parameters as far as what kind of deal he is looking for and go from there. Tyrus Thomas signed for 5 years / 40 million and David Lee signed for 6 years / 80 million so I would assume Landry is somewhere in the middle. 5 years / 60 million is a lot of cash and I bet that is what he is looking for.
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I would be very hesitant to deal Landry too early. He was on the path to win 6th man of the year with the Rockets last season and did very well with us to wrap up the year. He is a very consistent and reliable low post scorer. I think having both him and JT at the 4 is valuable because throughout the course of the season injuries and inconsistencies are better addressed. Also, they can challenge each other for playing time and bring out the best in one another by providing serious competition for playing time. Good teams should always have 2 solid options at both the PF and C position entering a season. I say Dalembert is the guy we trade or we allow him to stay all season while we develop Whiteside and use Dallys huge expiring to bring in talent at that 1/2 position and then we are competitors. We really need a Brandon Roy type combo guard to pair with Tyreke then our team will be LEGIT.
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SacKingsPejaFan wrote:Hold on one second.
Landry is 26 and entering his fourth year in the league. How is that "a little too old"? He has at least another 10 seasons in the league, and has yet to enter his prime.
Petrie traded Kevin Martin for him with him in mind as our PF of the future. He did the trade more to acquire Landry than to dump Kevin Martin. Check the post-trade interview videos.
He averaged a K-Mart-esque-efficient 18 ppg for us last year, second only to Tyreke's 20. He's our only other proven and consistent offensive threat. He is definitely part of Petrie's future plans. I trade JT before I trade him, and I get ready to pay the man next season unless his production drops. People act like they didn't watch him in the playoffs when he was with the Rockets putting up 30 as a 6th man.
In comparison to the rest of the core of the team (Tyreke, Cousins, Greene, Casspi, etc.) Landry is old, he's got about 5 years on most of those guys, now I agree that Landry probably has at least another good 7-10 years left, but he's still significantly older than the rest of the guys one would consider core.
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Yeah, no way in hell is Landry too old. The only problem with him is his contract is a little too short, hehehe.
Look at all the teams competing for rings and just look and see some of the ages on their roster. If this team isn't ready to win a championship in 5 years I give up. Never watching ball again.
Look at all the teams competing for rings and just look and see some of the ages on their roster. If this team isn't ready to win a championship in 5 years I give up. Never watching ball again.
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Landry isn't too old.
The question is does Landry want to be a King next year? He's the type of FA that gets overpaid IMO. Another contract comparison for him is Paul Milsap. 4/32 was his deal IIRC. That's the same as TT per year. At $8m per year do you see Landry as a 6th man? Do you sign him to start or package him with Dally?
Landry is a tricky guy to put as your starting PF long term because he's a fair rebounder at best and he's undersized. He's a good (not great) defender when he doesn't have to go against someone with real size and girth. I have a hard time seeing the Kings giving him $8m a year. Right now they just aren't in a position to "have to."
Can someone tell me when is the deadline for an extension for Landry? If I understand this right he's in the last year of his rookie deal. He can accept a contract extension from now until Halloween? If he's not extended by the start of the season (and my knowledge of the CBA is right) it's a clear sign that he and the Kings aren't a perfect match. It doesn't mean that he wants to go or the Kings don't want him. It just means that he's not the starting PF of the future.
The question is does Landry want to be a King next year? He's the type of FA that gets overpaid IMO. Another contract comparison for him is Paul Milsap. 4/32 was his deal IIRC. That's the same as TT per year. At $8m per year do you see Landry as a 6th man? Do you sign him to start or package him with Dally?
Landry is a tricky guy to put as your starting PF long term because he's a fair rebounder at best and he's undersized. He's a good (not great) defender when he doesn't have to go against someone with real size and girth. I have a hard time seeing the Kings giving him $8m a year. Right now they just aren't in a position to "have to."
Can someone tell me when is the deadline for an extension for Landry? If I understand this right he's in the last year of his rookie deal. He can accept a contract extension from now until Halloween? If he's not extended by the start of the season (and my knowledge of the CBA is right) it's a clear sign that he and the Kings aren't a perfect match. It doesn't mean that he wants to go or the Kings don't want him. It just means that he's not the starting PF of the future.
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Clearly, the high school influx of yester-decade has greatly impacted people's perspective on the NBA and its players. It seems everybody over the age of 25 is now considered a dinosaur, by today's standards...
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I'm drunk so bare with me...
But I feel like right now, with the Kings as is... This is a perfect year for the Kings to not make any major moves and just see where the ride takes us. I feel right now we can compete for a bottom seed in the playoffs and that is perfectly fine with me. If the right deal comes, sure we should take it but we aren't in any position to HAVE to make a trade. We do need to allow our young core to develop and if we're constantly trading them out for new young pieces... its just keeping us at a stand still. If we went this whole season without making a trade/signing, I would be perfectly ok with that as long as we're competing night in and night out and not getting blown out. I think we have a great 7-8 man core that will only get better the longer they stay together. Best case scenario we get a 7-8 seed with the current roster. Worst case we just miss the cusp and have a horrible chance at the lottery, which means we'll probably get the 1-3 pick
That is all for now
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But I feel like right now, with the Kings as is... This is a perfect year for the Kings to not make any major moves and just see where the ride takes us. I feel right now we can compete for a bottom seed in the playoffs and that is perfectly fine with me. If the right deal comes, sure we should take it but we aren't in any position to HAVE to make a trade. We do need to allow our young core to develop and if we're constantly trading them out for new young pieces... its just keeping us at a stand still. If we went this whole season without making a trade/signing, I would be perfectly ok with that as long as we're competing night in and night out and not getting blown out. I think we have a great 7-8 man core that will only get better the longer they stay together. Best case scenario we get a 7-8 seed with the current roster. Worst case we just miss the cusp and have a horrible chance at the lottery, which means we'll probably get the 1-3 pick

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I have already posted similar thoughts on this before, so sorry if I sound a bit like a broken record. The short version of it is that I am pretty happy with where the team is right now. I think some of the angst right now is normal and natural, because it is easy as a fan to get caught up in the offseason with all the deals going on around the league and get a little impatient.
I think that Petrie has approached this offseason the right way. I am sure he investigated some moves and signings, and in the end settled for making a few low-key signings to fill out the roster. I think that was a wise move for several reasons. The first has to do with the massive amounts being thrown around by teams this offseason. When even some relatively average NBA players are getting large paydays, it makes the likelyhood of being stuck with a bad contract higher. Next, you have the new CBA on the horizon. No one is certain precisely how it may change the free agent landscape or to what degree, we just know it will change it. Lastly, you have the fact that we just don't know enough about how a lot of players on this team will develop and fit together.
I don't think that last point can be reiterated enough, because there are a ton of question marks with this team. How much improved will Tyreke Evans be? How well will a healthy Garcia fit next to Evans? Can Udrih keep up the sort of play he showed during the last season? How fast will Cousins adapt to the NBA? Will Landry be even better now that he has an offseason and a full season to get used to the players around him? Is Landry destined to be a 6th man or can he be a true starter? Can JT finally begin to reign in his fouling and become a more consistent player who can start at the 4, or is he destined to be a good-but-not-great player who comes off the bench? Those are just some of the big questions on my mind going into the season, I am sure there are plenty more.
Hopefully at least some of those question can be answered, and that will help guide Petrie with what he needs to do moving forward. He has a pretty good 1st round pick coming, and plenty of cap space / assets to try and continue building this roster.
I think that Petrie has approached this offseason the right way. I am sure he investigated some moves and signings, and in the end settled for making a few low-key signings to fill out the roster. I think that was a wise move for several reasons. The first has to do with the massive amounts being thrown around by teams this offseason. When even some relatively average NBA players are getting large paydays, it makes the likelyhood of being stuck with a bad contract higher. Next, you have the new CBA on the horizon. No one is certain precisely how it may change the free agent landscape or to what degree, we just know it will change it. Lastly, you have the fact that we just don't know enough about how a lot of players on this team will develop and fit together.
I don't think that last point can be reiterated enough, because there are a ton of question marks with this team. How much improved will Tyreke Evans be? How well will a healthy Garcia fit next to Evans? Can Udrih keep up the sort of play he showed during the last season? How fast will Cousins adapt to the NBA? Will Landry be even better now that he has an offseason and a full season to get used to the players around him? Is Landry destined to be a 6th man or can he be a true starter? Can JT finally begin to reign in his fouling and become a more consistent player who can start at the 4, or is he destined to be a good-but-not-great player who comes off the bench? Those are just some of the big questions on my mind going into the season, I am sure there are plenty more.
Hopefully at least some of those question can be answered, and that will help guide Petrie with what he needs to do moving forward. He has a pretty good 1st round pick coming, and plenty of cap space / assets to try and continue building this roster.
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As much as i love the kings, and think there one of the 2 or 3 dominant teams of the future (thunder, possibly heat) i still dont think well make a run for the playoffs this year, which may be a good thing. say we get another top 5 pick, we could draft someone like brandon knight, (if he leaves UK after one year) not only him, but if we can get a 1 or a 2 in the lottery, (and ovbiously have reke play the other position) then our team would be real as ****
Knight
Evans
Casspi (personally i think hes better than greene and is the longterm starter)
JT
Cousins
Bench: Landry? Beno, Whiteside, Greene
Also, never count out the idea of a solid free agent coming to play here because of all the young talent
Knight
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Bench: Landry? Beno, Whiteside, Greene
Also, never count out the idea of a solid free agent coming to play here because of all the young talent
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I have a couple things to say on this.
I agree that Landry, Garcia, dalembert, and udrih aren't likely long term solutions but I do see both Garcia and udrih sticking around while dalembert and Landry are on their way out.
Long term I think Evans is our 2 guard unless we bring in another 2 guard that is a good distributor. Our sf spot is certainly Greene or casspi long term they both fit so well with their skill sets. Thompson is our long term starter at pf atleast that's how I see him. Cousins is our center. That leaves whiteside who thinks he is a pf and Petrie said he was a pf . I see him taking most back up minutes at both pf and c.
I think we should use Landry and dalembert to find our missing pieces at 2 guard and resevve center.
I agree that Landry, Garcia, dalembert, and udrih aren't likely long term solutions but I do see both Garcia and udrih sticking around while dalembert and Landry are on their way out.
Long term I think Evans is our 2 guard unless we bring in another 2 guard that is a good distributor. Our sf spot is certainly Greene or casspi long term they both fit so well with their skill sets. Thompson is our long term starter at pf atleast that's how I see him. Cousins is our center. That leaves whiteside who thinks he is a pf and Petrie said he was a pf . I see him taking most back up minutes at both pf and c.
I think we should use Landry and dalembert to find our missing pieces at 2 guard and resevve center.
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ok can i say something??? just because maybe a player will be a starter and the other won't doesn't mean that he's not in the long term plans of the team. maybe JT breaks out this year and settles the issue of future starting PF...does that mean that it's settled we don't want landry anymore? i believe landry was traded for in terms of having him for the future...we shold be much better by the end of this season than we are right now. it's ok to show landry the money for him to come off the bench. it's not as if him coming of the bench he won't get his minutes....and he'll understand that cause he came off the bench in houston. his production is gonna be the same, and i don't think he;ll complain if JT shows this season that the position is his. the same for greene....i don't understand some guys saying we have to keep either one or the other. NO. we can keep both. i don't understand...seriously i don't
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^^honestly it comes down to a mix of finances and the fact that the draft went so well for us. The kings are stacked with young talent and we really can't afford to keep everyone when it's all said and done, or we would find our team in a terrible financial situation.
Assume we give Evans the max, 14mil
Assume cousins earns the max, 14mil
Asume we keep udrih 7mil
Assume Garcia is still here 5 mil
Assume we resign Greene to about 7 mil deal
Thompson gets a 10 mil deal
Casspi gets his money
You see where I'm going with this right we financially can't afford to keep all of these guys, so instead we look t consolidate talent to keep our finances in check. Luckily for us we locked whiteside into a 4 year deal on the cheap that was very smart thinking on petries part. I just don't want our team to dig a financial hole that we can't get out of.
Assume we give Evans the max, 14mil
Assume cousins earns the max, 14mil
Asume we keep udrih 7mil
Assume Garcia is still here 5 mil
Assume we resign Greene to about 7 mil deal
Thompson gets a 10 mil deal
Casspi gets his money
You see where I'm going with this right we financially can't afford to keep all of these guys, so instead we look t consolidate talent to keep our finances in check. Luckily for us we locked whiteside into a 4 year deal on the cheap that was very smart thinking on petries part. I just don't want our team to dig a financial hole that we can't get out of.
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but we have money...and also, you don't hand out all the extensions at the same time. all our players can't be leaving all in the same year. we do it how/when we can, but we can do it w/o being over the cap w/ the team we have. it doesn't mean guys aren't getting their money. but you get what im saying? we aren't gonna give everybody their coin all at the same time it doesn't work like that.
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^^we won't be doing it all at the same time but all of our main guys will be getting their extensions in the next 3 years meaning that within 3 years we will be well over the cap if everyone stays and gets payed. That is why we will have to consolidate at least a couple pieces.