Get TJ Ford to the Pistons...

[colts2004]

Why the **** would we want to trade with the Pistons to begin with??? Only way Id do it is if we got a couple 1st rounders and Rip

[Gremz]

Would you guys do this?
Rip, Maxiell, Wilcox for Ford, Murphy, Rush, and McRoberts. If not then add in a second round pick.

No thanks, we add too many pieces of value, and I want no part of Maxiell.

Your best best to move Rip (if you want out of his deal) is for Dunleavy. It is far too early in our process for deals like that though. If at all, a deal is for a player who is not a PG, will come close to the deadline.

[colts2004]

Trade for Rip, play him til All Star break, pray he has a productive year, stays healthy then trade him for a PF or a PG and picks

[Spider156]

Trade for Rip, play him til All Star break, pray he has a productive year, stays healthy then trade him for a PF or a PG and picks

I agree

[The Webb]

Pistons want nothing to do with Ford or Dunleavy

[Indy2thaWindy]

Trade for Rip, play him til All Star break, pray he has a productive year, stays healthy then trade him for a PF or a PG and picks

You got it backwards. Play Paul George, see if he can have an immediate impact. If not and he shows he needs another season or two before he is ready to take on that kind of scorin load. Then, trade for Hamilton at the All-star break. If PG shows he is ready to make an impact then we will have no need for Rip.

[Scoot McGroot]

I don't think there's a fit unless it's a 3 way deal. Don't get me wrong, you can have TJ Ford, but I'd assume that Bird & Co. would desire expirings in return, but other than Tayshaun (who's a pure SF and worth IMMENSELY more than TJ Ford), the next largest expiring is Wilcox at $3 million.

Guys like Rip, Gordon, Villanueva, and Maxiell are overpaid by quite a margin, or owed money long-term, or simply not even decent fits in Indy due to age, position, etc. Other than that, there's no other way to work the deal.

[Wizop]

We'd gladly give Detroit TJ if they think it solves their PG problem but we can't give up much more other than perhaps one of the Jones. we need to hold on to our expiring contracts to solve our own PG problem.

[8305]

I'm not opposed to moving an expiring contract for a longer contract but the move has to match up with the long term plan. And, it needs to fit our existing roster. Rip Hamilton is an interesting guy to consider. He would upgrade our backcourt considerably and ithinkits reasonable to think he will be productive through the rest of his contract. But what would he do to the playing time available for Rush, George and Stephenson? Does he make us good enough that you don't mind not developing the younger players?

The rest of the guys Detroit would like to move are over paid guys on long term contracts. We've been there. I don't see anything here that works.

[Boneman2]

Sure jumpshooters have extended careers, but I want no part of RIP, even though his game is almost identical to Unlcle Reg (2003).

Acquiring him would definitely close the door on player development ( Stephenson, George, Rush ), or the opposite happens and the youngsters take over, at this point he is drastically overpaid. It's a lose/lose situation.

[mizzoupacers]

Acquiring him would definitely close the door on player development ( Stephenson, George, Rush ), or the opposite happens and the youngsters take over, at this point he is drastically overpaid. It's a lose/lose situation.

Agreed that Hamilton would probably make Rush expendable. So trade Rush. Maybe he would fetch a promising prospect at a position of greater need. I'm not too excited about Rush, obviously.

I don't think Hamilton would block anyone else's development, because there isn't another pure two guard on the roster. Stephenson gets some time at the 1 and the 2, George gets some time at the 2 and the 3...sounds about right to me for the next couple of seasons, since I think they both are going to need that much time before they're really ready for the starting lineup.

It's all hypothetical anyway...we know the Pacers are not going to be getting Hamilton.

[Boneman2]

Don't get me wrong Mizzou, I think Hamilton is good, in fact I think he'd outproduce Ray Allen if he played 2-guard for the Celtics.

Maybe you're right. Maybe he'd provide what we've been missing from our two-spot because he is willing to weave his way through picks, like Reggie, and he is lights out, like Reggie. Come to think of it, if he wore 31, we'd reminisce quite a bit.

We'd have to send Rush and Jones, that would offset about 12-13 million. If you prorate that out over three years, you're looking at reducing his 13 mill salary to around 9 mill the first 2 seasons, and 10 mill in his last season.

I am totally on the fence here, feeling like a moderately protected 1st should come our way, or a couple of pick-swap options, I don't know. We'd need some incentives for sure, taking on 39 million is not something you do, unless you're certain that player will thrive. With his age being a factor, all bets are off, there are no guarantees.

[laydo]

If the Pistons want Ford to be their point guard, what about this?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=24ufoq5

DAL
trade: Terry, Stevenson, Dominique Jones or future 1st round pick
get: Hamilton, Dahntay Jones

DET
trade: Hamilton
get: Ford, Stevenson, Solomon Jones

IND
trade: Ford, Dahntay Jones, Solomon Jones
get: Terry, Dominique Jones or future 1st round pick from DAL

The Mavs upgrade their SG. Rip used to play with Coach Carlisle and Dantay Jones is a good defender.

The Pistons get a point guard and unload Rip's big contract. Solo is a shot blocker who may fill the roster if Kwame Brown leaves.

The Pacers could get two combo guards, Terry and Dominique Jones, a veteran and a rookie. That shall solve the starting pg problem at least for 2 more seasons.

[Indy2thaWindy]

They have Butler at the 2, Dallas wouldn't need to take on Rip's contract. He ain't much better than Terry. I think Terry is better than Rip.

[basketballwacko2]

just to anwser your question i would probably take Charlie V for tj..

Didn't they get traded for each other once already? If I'm taking CV and his long term deal for TJ I'm gonna want some sweatener at least something like a #2 or 2.

[basketballwacko2]

I'll play...

Ford + Solomon Jones for Rip Hamilton (salaries come just close enough to match if Shamsports is accurate)

Maybe Ford + Jones for Maxiell + Wilcox.

Ford for Villanueva would suck for Indiana; that's not a contract the Pacers want to get stuck with.

Looking at the salaries, I don't see any other real possibilities--Indiana probably doesn't want to make a two-for-one trade, since there is not a roster spot available (assuming Magnum Rolle is signed).

Now I don't like the Ford and Solo for Maxiell and Wilcox, but I'm gonna say I'd need a lot of incentive to take CV for Ford the more I think about it the 2 #2 picks wouldn't be enough.

Hamilton is a pretty good player over paid in my opinion, and he plays the SG which we are pretty well stocked at and as was said he would hold back development of some of our young swingmen. I'm not really very interested in helping the Pisitons out of their cap problems.