Official Trade Thread XIV: 6/14/10 - 12/22/10

[Ruzious]

Simple trade:

Washington trades: Yi
Portland trades: Pryzbilla

Portland trades a redundant big for depth and potential at PF.

We complete our roster assuming we sign Singleton:

PG Wall/Hinrich
SG Arenas/Young
SF Howard/Thornton/Booker
PF Blatche/Singleton/Seraphin
C Pryzbilla/McGee/Armstrong

That's a surefire playoff team. There's an excelllent balance of young talent, veteran guile, athleticism, and toughness. Winning is the best teacher for this group. Booker and Seraphin spend a year learning from the bench before becoming rotation players next year.

I like that - but not before the season. If the Wiz look like they're a Prz away from being a solid playoff team, do it. Otherwise, be more patient.

Actually, if I was EG, I would have gone after Brockman - he's very under-heighted and under-lengthed (apologies to Webster's Dictionary), but he's the exception to the rule (and an underrated athlete).

[LyricalRico]

Simple trade:

Washington trades: Yi
Portland trades: Pryzbilla

I like that - but not before the season. If the Wiz look like they're a Prz away from being a solid playoff team, do it. Otherwise, be more patient.

Possibly a great deadline deal. But I'd prefer to make sure that both Blatche and Przybilla are both healthy before making a move like this.

[nate33]

I think the trade has to happen long before the Trade Deadline to be helpful. We don't need Pryzbilla just for a stretch run, we need him to bang against starting centers for the entire season or else we probably won't make the playoffs.

Maybe we could wait until January 1st or so to make the trade, but not February 15th. Pryz and Blatche should be fully healthy by then.

[willbcocks]

Fishercob: That trade is robbery for us -- more specifically robbery of portland.

[fishercob]

Fishercob: That trade is robbery for us -- more specifically robbery of portland.

It's great for us, but it's good for Portland too. They become instant legit cotenders. Think about it: they're giving up Babbitt, Rudy and Pyzbilla for Kirilenko. Pryz is their third center. Rudy is out of the rotation and it's well publicized that he's a goner.

So they're basically giving up Babbitt for Kirilenko (and his Bird Rights). Babbitt's a nice piece, but he's stuck behind Batum (who Portland loves) and Wes Matthews (or Roy sliding to the 3 when Matthews plays the two), who they just signed.

They'd be HUGE and deep and versatile. How'd you like to try to get a shot off o rebound against a crunch time lineup of ROy-Batum-Kirilenko-Camby-Oden??

Their regular rotation of Miller-Roy-Batum-Aldridge-Oden-Camby-Kirilenko-Matthews-Bayless could be the best in the NBA. They'd still have Eliott Williams, Pendergraph, Cunningham in spots 10-12. I think Portland has to make that deal -- or some deal to consolidate assets and try to win a title.

[nate33]

Sorry Fishercob, that trade is a complete rip off for Portland. Even if they were willing to pay that much for Kirilenko, Utah would surely cut us out of the transaction. We are only siphoning value off that trade.

[fishercob]

Sorry Fishercob, that trade is a complete rip off for Portland. Even if they were willing to pay that much for Kirilenko, Utah would surely cut us out of the transaction. We are only siphoning value off that trade.

They don't lose anyone who projects to be in their rotation!

I think Pritchard was just doing his best to accumulate assets, and their trade with Minnesota was just a way to add an asset and shed a vestigial contract. Perhaps they saw Babbitt drop to 16 who was projected as high as 9 and said "heck, he's good value, let's add him to our war chest of young assets and we can consolidate later."

Portland needs us in the deal. They have to send out Miller to make the salaries work, but Utah would keep him and we wouldn't Utah would rather have Hinrich than Miller anyhow.

I know we get a lot, but when you look at what each team gets and gives, I think it makes sense. But like I said, I'm more than happy to ship Thornton or Young to Utah for their depth, I just don't they'd play them or want to pay them.

[Ruzious]

I think the trade has to happen long before the Trade Deadline to be helpful. We don't need Pryzbilla just for a stretch run, we need him to bang against starting centers for the entire season or else we probably won't make the playoffs.

Maybe we could wait until January 1st or so to make the trade, but not February 15th. Pryz and Blatche should be fully healthy by then.

If the goal is to just get destroyed in the 1st round of the playoffs, and getting Prz is just to achieve that goal, does it really make much sense to do it - especially since Prz is just a 1 and done player? If you think he makes you competitive in the playoffs, then it makes sense, but Prz by himself is not such a good player that he makes the difference between not making the playoffs and being a solid playoffs team.

[Dat2U]

If the goal is to just get destroyed in the 1st round of the playoffs, and getting Prz is just to achieve that goal, does it really make much sense to do it - especially since Prz is just a 1 and done player? If you think he makes you competitive in the playoffs, then it makes sense, but Prz by himself is not such a good player that he makes the difference between not making the playoffs and being a solid playoffs team.

But what's at risk? I actually think McGee is better suited to coming off the bench as opposed to getting exposed defensively by other starting Cs. Seraphin isn't ready to be a rotation player yet so I think there's room to add a starting center without sacrificing long term development.

Making the playoffs would be invaluable for our young guys, even if its a short appearance. It's not like were an older, capped out team with little upside, there's plenty of room for our youngings to grow and improve down the road.

I'll tell ya what, gettin our guys like Wall, Blatche & McGee a taste of that playoff flavor will go a helluva lot further than having the 11th in the draft next offseason.

[Ruzious]

If the goal is to just get destroyed in the 1st round of the playoffs, and getting Prz is just to achieve that goal, does it really make much sense to do it - especially since Prz is just a 1 and done player? If you think he makes you competitive in the playoffs, then it makes sense, but Prz by himself is not such a good player that he makes the difference between not making the playoffs and being a solid playoffs team.

But what's at risk? I actually think McGee is better suited to coming off the bench as opposed to getting exposed defensively by other starting Cs. Seraphin isn't ready to be a rotation player yet so I think there's room to add a starting center without sacrificing long term development.

Making the playoffs would be invaluable for our young guys, even if its a short appearance. It's not like were an older, capped out team with little upside, there's plenty of room for our youngings to grow and improve down the road.

I'll tell ya what, gettin our guys like Wall, Blatche & McGee a taste of that playoff flavor will go a helluva lot further than having the 11th in the draft next offseason.

Sorry, but if the goal is getting destroyed in the first round, I have zero interest. I'd rather give more PT to the youngsters - that is how guys like Seraphin get better - not to mention McGee; certainly not by sitting on the bench in favor of someone who won't be there next year - and get a better 1st round pick. They are in rebuild mode now - not mired in mediocrity mode. If the goal was something bigger, then I'd have an interest.

[nate33]

Pryzbilla is a 20-24 minute per game type of player. McGee will still get all the minutes he can handle backing Pryz up. I agree with Dat2U that Seraphin is unlikely to be NBA ready, so any additional minutes force fed to him won't significantly help his development. Booker would actually be helped by this trade because by eliminating Yi, it gives him (or Thornton) the opportunity to play a little PF in a small ball configuration.

The bottom line is that I see no future for Yi here. If he continues to be a soft, low percentage shooter, I don't want him. And if he shows some improvement, enough to be a regular-rotation player on a good team, then I'd rather not pay what is likely to be a high open market value to be Blatche's backup.

I'd do the trade right now, though I wouldn't mind waiting a bit to make sure both Pryz and Blatche are 100% healthy.

[lupin]

i thought Pryz was definitely going to miss some of the 2010 season. what is his projected status at the moment?

[REDardWIZskin]

Why would Portland go for this trade, they already have a perimeter/ scoring big in aldridge and they know better than any team in the league how important depth a C can be. I also think that they would rather give spot minutes to cunningham or pendergraph than Yi, who has not future there either really

[nate33]

My thinking is that Yi is better than Cunningham and more of a PF than Pendegraph. With Oden and Camby (and Pendegraph) around to play center, they might not be all that thrilled to have Pryz around because he is in a contract year and will be looking for PT.

Finally, if Yi performs well in Portland, they'll be inclined to keep him. Unlike us, they won't be pinching pennies with an eye towards free agency in 2011 or 2012.

[Ruzious]

Pryzbilla is a 20-24 minute per game type of player. McGee will still get all the minutes he can handle backing Pryz up. I agree with Dat2U that Seraphin is unlikely to be NBA ready, so any additional minutes force fed to him won't significantly help his development. Booker would actually be helped by this trade because by eliminating Yi, it gives him (or Thornton) the opportunity to play a little PF in a small ball configuration.

The bottom line is that I see no future for Yi here. If he continues to be a soft, low percentage shooter, I don't want him. [/b] And if he shows some improvement, enough to be a regular-rotation player on a good team, then I'd rather not pay what is likely to be a high open market value to be Blatche's backup.[/b]

I'd do the trade right now, though I wouldn't mind waiting a bit to make sure both Pryz and Blatche are 100% healthy.

If that's the case and you still don't want him, then he'd have trade value - opening up more opportunities. I just don't see the point in shooting for a mediocre goal. That's fine - we just disagree on this one.

[fugop]

Out of curiosity, what do people think about Andray Blatche for Derrick Favors?

[dangermouse]

id want to see how Favors pans out a little first. some are saying he could eventually grow into playing at C, like a slightly shorter Dwight with a lower centre of gravity. i have a bit of a thing for athletic PFs who can block shots and stuff it on peoples heads. Wall and Favors could turn out to be a pretty exciting duo, ala Payton and Kemp or Nash and Stoudemire.

two points on why the trade would never happen:

Blatche is signed cheaply for another two years. Favors is set to make more money, even on a rookie deal.

Favors duplicates what we have in McGee (sort of). Blatche duplicates what the Nets have in Lopez (sort of).

so, i'd do a trade centred around McGee, but i dont think either team has the pieces to really make it worthwhile.

edit: i would do Blatche for Favors if it was our plan to go after Marc Gasol in FA. that would be a pretty good team.

Gasol
Favors
Thornton?/rookie/another FA/Booker T?
Arenas
Wall

good mix of inside scoring, outside scoring, defense, athletecism and toughness. contender!

[nate33]

I don't think I'd trade Blatche for Favors either. Blatche is arguably the most indispensable player on the team. It's a real luxury to have a PF who has a good post up game, range out to 20 feet, good passing, and he plays decent defense as well. Blatche is above-average in nearly every facet of the game (except his rebounding is a bit lacking). His versatility gives us a lot of options on offense.

If you replace him with Favors, our frontcourt becomes very limited offensively.

It's all a moot point because I don't see the logic in trading Favors for Blatche from New Jersey's standpoint. Favors is a defender/rebounder who would complement Lopez' game perfectly.

[Ruzious]

I agree with nate. Favors is a better fit in NJ, and Blatche is a better fit in Washington. I think Seraphin is the player on the Wiz most similar to Favors - a defense and rebounding long big body whose offense is raw. Favors is a helluva prospect, but I'm not sure he's any more NBA ready than Seraphin is, and it'll take a while because he had horrible distributors in college, and he'll have bad distributors in NJ.

[verbal8]

Out of curiosity, what do people think about Andray Blatche for Derrick Favors?

On its own it is not very tempting. However if the Wizards deal Arenas and are going for a total rebuild it could be intriguing. If Favors seems best at Center it might make sense for both teams. I think Blatche would work pretty well with Lopez and McGee might be best off as a PF/back-up Center. Also if Yi played well enough to earn some minutes as stretch PF, that might be another argument to pull the trigger.