Pacers Shopping Dunleavy, Ford

[Wizop]

would you guys do Luke Walton and Sasha Vujacic for Mike Dunleavy or T.J Ford

It would have to be Dunleavy since those two for TJ Ford doesn't work.

And no. I'd rather not trade an expiring for the pleasure of paying Luke Walton for 3 more years.

wait! it'd have to be Ford because keeping him doesn't work. we could throw in D Jones to make it work.

but we really need a point guard and Lakers don't have any extra unless there were a sign and trade involved.

[Scoot McGroot]

would you guys do Luke Walton and Sasha Vujacic for Mike Dunleavy or T.J Ford

**** no.


That's ridiculous. Dunleavy is the best player out of that foursome by a mile. Walton's the worst contract out of the four. I don't quite see how this fits, when there's no spot for Vujacic in the lineup either.


Hmm....one guy who could actually help us and play, and then expire in Dunleavy or two guys, neither of whom would play much, if at all, but we have to pay one $12 million for another 2 years on the books (Walton)? ****, I don't know what to do!

[HomieOmey]

He has tremendous shortcomings, and the greatest argument for getting him is "Toronto is willing to practically give him away!!!" I see that as a negative, if his current team has NO interest in him.

I don't think that's the case at all. Even with injury problems throughout the season, Calderon was arguably our best PG. I realize we almost traded him, but it's not like getting Diaw and Ty Chandler was admitting defeat. When healthy, Calderon is our best PG and quite a few would be happy to start him. So I definitely wouldn't say that Toronto has no interest in him. There's nothing really to suggest that. Just because Raptor fans rather rebuild and get some cap space than fight for a mid range lottery pick??

Judging by this thread, you guys don't really want to see Ford and/or Dunleavy traded. You basically have to ask yourselves

A. Who is the worst prospect you'd settle on if basically just swapping ending deals for even more useless ending deals (like Eddy Curry or Vlad Rad).
B. Who is the worst role player / most money you would take on for your ending deals??

If Collison and Lamar Odom are your answers to those two questions, you probably won't be thrilled at any potential Dunleavy/Ford deal.

NY and NJ seem like pretty ideal trade partners if you don't really care about losing Ford and/or Dunleavy and/or Murphy for ending deals, cap space, and a semi-decent prospect. Not sure what swings you like on NJ, but I'm sure some swap could be agreed upon. NY has a few decent veterans in Turiaf and Azubuike. Douglas could probably be made available too. I'm sure NY could raise TJ's value, which they might be interested in. Especially if losing the useless Curry.

Denver might be an interesting trade partner too with Kenyon and Ty Lawson.

[Moooose]

I don't think that's the case at all. Even with injury problems throughout the season, Calderon was arguably our best PG. I realize we almost traded him, but it's not like getting Diaw and Ty Chandler was admitting defeat. When healthy, Calderon is our best PG and quite a few would be happy to start him. So I definitely wouldn't say that Toronto has no interest in him. There's nothing really to suggest that. Just because Raptor fans rather rebuild and get some cap space than fight for a mid range lottery pick??

Judging by this thread, you guys don't really want to see Ford and/or Dunleavy traded. You basically have to ask yourselves

A. Who is the worst prospect you'd settle on if basically just swapping ending deals for even more useless ending deals (like Eddy Curry or Vlad Rad).
B. Who is the worst role player / most money you would take on for your ending deals??

If Collison and Lamar Odom are your answers to those two questions, you probably won't be thrilled at any potential Dunleavy/Ford deal.

NY and NJ seem like pretty ideal trade partners if you don't really care about losing Ford and/or Dunleavy and/or Murphy for ending deals, cap space, and a semi-decent prospect. Not sure what swings you like on NJ, but I'm sure some swap could be agreed upon. NY has a few decent veterans in Turiaf and Azubuike. Douglas could probably be made available too. I'm sure NY could raise TJ's value, which they might be interested in. Especially if losing the useless Curry.

Denver might be an interesting trade partner too with Kenyon and Ty Lawson.

I agree on Calderon being the Raps' best PG, but he could be on the trading block considering he's got some good trade value, and you guys are rebuilding. But I personally wouldn't want Calderon in Indiana, i'd prefer a much younger guy who can run the floor with our young wings, a long-term solution. I guess Toronto could experiment a Bargnani-Calderon duo, just like the Nowitzki-Nash duo back then in Dallas.

We want TJ and Dunleavy traded. The problem is, they don't have that much trading value and it seems we cannot find serious takers for them. It could end up keeping them til their contracts expire, which i think is better, considering the huge amount of money waiting at the end of next season.

To answer both of your questions, we're not gonna make a move just for the sake of making headlines. So i don't really see us trading for someone we're not gonna use. If we're going to make trades in exchange for our expirings, it would be for a serviceable PG, a defensive back-up big man and possibly a pick.

NO will keep Collison, and i don't think Odom is in Larry's radar.

Azubuike is another wingman, and seriously we don't need another one to clog up the position some more. They'd most likely keep Douglas as the primary back-up to Felton, he's impressive in his rookie season and there's really no need to ship him out. NJ doesn't have that much to offer, aside from one of their wings. We're not trading Murphy unless we're gonna have a starting PF in exchange, if we can explore on the possibility of acquiring a veteran starting PF and a young PG for Murphy and another expiring, that could be our best option, trading-wise.

Denver would most likely keep Lawson as the eventual replacement for the aging Billups, and seriously, i don't think we need K-Mart.

[HomieOmey]

I agree on Calderon being the Raps' best PG, but he could be on the trading block considering he's got some good trade value, and you guys are rebuilding. But I personally wouldn't want Calderon in Indiana, i'd prefer a much younger guy who can run the floor with our young wings, a long-term solution. I guess Toronto could experiment a Bargnani-Calderon duo, just like the Nowitzki-Nash duo back then in Dallas.

Oh, he's definitely on the block. He's one of our highest paid Raptors, so for that reason alone he's on the block considering we already have a capable replacement and we're a lottery team with bigger holes. I was just responding to Scoot who thinks Toronto has "NO interest" in him. He's more of a PG than Jack and he's our best shooter, so there's still some need for him in Toronto. Our offense is much better with him, and our defense was barely even worse with Jack.

Denver would most likely keep Lawson as the eventual replacement for the aging Billups, and seriously, i don't think we need K-Mart.

You don't need K-Mart, but you do want Lawson. It would be nice to get a cheap, young PG so that you don't feel pressured to pick a PG in the draft or to overpay one in free agency. Denver wouldn't want to give up Lawson, but getting Ford and Murphy would make them better, and hopefully be enough to persuade them into a deal. Other pieces might have to be added on both ends though.