Suns Board B-A-T Draft Thread - 2 Hrs Per Pick

[Miklo]

DRAFT ORDER RELEASED BELOW!!! Remember that each pick has big advantages; the first few picks you get a top player, the middle you never get screwed into waiting 60 picks for your next pick and the end, you get consecutive players at the end of the 1st, 3rd etc rounds. Without further ado:

Draft Reminders:
-You're not necessarily drafting the most talented player available; you're building a team that would play well and be judged highly together. You're also factoring in salary so some overpaid players may slip lower than they would in a typical fantasy draft.
-Remember, all current NBA players, 2010 draft picks and international players that an NBA team has rights to are fair game.
-As are all current coaches, including college, NBA and coaches who would realistically accept a job if offered one (Pat Riley would be fair game for example). You'll use one of your 13 picks for the coach and the coach will be part of how you're judged, but you still probably wouldn't be picking a coach until the last rounds.
-You can trade draft picks or drafted players at any time, as long as the pick in question is not currently "on the clock"
-The draft will be in "snake" order; so if you have the 1st pick you won't be picking again until pick 60 and then also 61, etc.
-Everyone is encouraged to post photo(s) and rationale for their picks. Not required or anything, just depending on how into it you are. I'll probably do it for my picks
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Draft Tracker
In order! Draft order determined by randomly arranging the teams at http://www.random.org


Round 1
1. Celtics - Kevin Durant
2. Wizards - LeBron James
3. Nets - Dwight Howard
4. Hornets - Dwyane Wade
5. Blazers - Chris Paul
6. Pistons - Kobe Bryant
7. Knicks - Steve Nash
8. Jazz - Deron Williams
9. Pacers - Carmelo Anthony
10. Suns - Dirk Nowitzki
11. Timberwolves - Brandon Roy
12. Hawks - Derrick Rose
13. Warriors - Danny Granger
14. Cavaliers - Amar'e Stoudemire
15. Kings - Brook Lopez
16. Raptors - Chris Bosh
17. Rockets - Russel Westbrook
18. 76ers - Pau Gasol
19. Bobcats - Tim Duncan
20. Bucks - Tyreke Evans
21. Thunder - Rajon Rondo
22. Spurs - Stephen Curry
23. Bulls - John Wall
24. Heat - Chauncey Billups
25. Clippers - Rudy Gay
26. Mavericks - Blake Griffin
27. Grizzlies - Joe Johnson
28. Nuggets - Darren Collison
29. Magic - Paul Pierce
30. Lakers - Andrew Bogut

Round 2
31. Lakers - Carlos Boozer
32. Magic - Brandon Jennings
33. Nuggets - Kevin Love
34. Grizzlies - David Lee
35. Mavericks - Al Horford
36. Clippers - Josh Smith
37. Heat - Gerald Wallace
38. Bulls - Andre Iguodala
39. Spurs - Marc Gasol
40. Thunder - Joakim Noah
41. Bucks - Yao Ming
42. Bobcats - Chris Kaman
43. 76ers - OJ Mayo
44. Rockets - Al Jefferson
45. Raptors - Monta Ellis
46. Kings - Robin Lopez
47. Cavaliers - Tony Parker
48. Warriors - LaMarcus Aldridge
49. Hawks - DeMarcus Cousins
50. Timberwolves - Stephen Jackson
51. 76ers (acquired from Suns) - Gilbert Arenas
52. Pacers - Devin Harris
53. Jazz - Zach Randolph
54. Knicks - Derrick Favors
55. Pistons - David West
56. Blazers - Andris Biedrins
57. Hornets - Andrew Bynum
58. Nets - Jason Kidd
59. Wizards - Kevin Garnett
60. Celtics - Kevin Martin

Round 3
61. Celtics - Emeka Okafor
62. Wizards - Manu Ginobli
63. Rockets (via Nets) - Evan Turner
64. Hornets - Nene
65. Blazers - Andrea Bargnani
66. Pistons - Aaron Brooks
67. Knicks - Ray Allen
68. Jazz - Jason Richardson
69. Pacers - Anthony Randolph
70. Suns - Marcus Camby
71. Timberwolves - Luis Scola
72. Hawks - Greg Oden
73. Warriors - Kendrick Perkins
74. Cavaliers - Lamar Odom
75. Kings - Baron Davis
76. Raptors - Mo Williams
77. Nets (via Rockets) - Eric Gordon
78. Suns (acquired from 76ers) - Michael Beasley
79. Lakers (via Bobcats) - Danilo Gallinari
80. Bucks - Greg Monroe
81. Thunder - Luol Deng
82. Spurs - Jason Thompson
83. Bulls - Ron Artest
84. Heat - Antawn Jamison
85. Clippers - Paul Millsap
86. Mavericks - Jeff Green
87. Grizzlies - Ricky Rubio
88. Nuggets - Goran Dragic
89. Magic - Jason Terry
90. Bobcats (via Lakers) - Hedo Turkoglu

Round 4
91. Bobcats (via Lakers) - Caron Butler
92. Magic - Andray Blatche
93. Nuggets - Nicolas Batum
94. Grizzlies - JaVale McGee
95. Mavericks - Jameer Nelson
96. Clippers - Andre Miller
97. Hawks (acquired from Heat) - Jamal Crawford
98. Bulls - Serge Ibaka
99. Spurs - Rip Hamilton
100. Thunder - Carl Landry
101. Bucks - Jared Dudley
102. Bobcats - Jonny Flynn
103. 76ers - Brad Miller
104. Pistons (via Rockets) - Roy Hibbert
105. Raptors - Marrese Speights
106. Kings - Omri Casspi
107. Cavaliers - Marcin Gortat
108. Warriors - Ty Lawson
109. Heat (acquired from Hawks) - James Harden
110. Timberwolves - Jrue Holiday
111. Suns - Vince Carter
112. Pacers - Brendan Haywood
113. Jazz - Cole Aldrich
114. Knicks - Tiago Splitter
115. Pistons - Shane Battier
116. Blazers - Josh Howard
117. Hornets - Troy Murphy
118. Nets - Mehmet Okur
119. Wizards - Rodrique Beaubois
120. Celtics - Andrei Kirilenko

Round 5
121. Celtics - Jose Calderon
122. Wizards - JJ Hickson
123. Nets - Wilson Chandler
124. Hornets - Terrence Williams
125. Blazers - Brandon Rush
126. Rockets (via Pistons) - Samuel Dalembert
127. Knicks - Tayshaun Prince
128. Jazz - Thaddeus Young
129. Pacers - Kelenna Azubuike
130. 76ers (via Suns) - Wesley Johnson
131. Timberwolves - Shaquille O'Neal
132. Lakers (via Hawks) - Rodney Stuckey
133. Warriors - John Salmons
134. Cavaliers - Raja Bell
135. Kings - Ed Davis
136. Raptors - Josh Childress
137. Nets (via Rockets) - Rashard Lewis
138. Suns (via 76ers) - Marcus Thornton
139. Lakers (via Bobcats) - Ben Gordon
140. Bucks - Ramon Sessions
141. Thunder - Mike Miller
142. Spurs - Luc Richard Mbah a Moute
143. Bulls - George Hill
144. Heat - Mario Chalmers
145. Clippers - Corey Maggette
146. Mavericks - Trevor Ariza
147. Grizzlies - Corey Brewer
148. Nuggets - Anthony Morrow
149. Magic - Channing Frye
150. Hawks (via Lakers) - Martell Webster

Round 6
151. Hawks (via Lakers) - Yi Jianlian
152. Magic - Shawn Marion
153. Nuggets - Dejuan Blair
154. Grizzlies - Spencer Hawes
155. Mavericks - Demar Derozan
156. Clippers - Earl Barron
157. Heat - Jamaal Magloire
158. Bulls - Taj Gibson
159. Spurs - Gordon Hayward
160. Thunder - Kirk Hinrich
161. Bucks - Leandro Barbosa
162. Bobcats - Courtney Lee
163. 76ers - Mike Bibby
164. Rockets - Paul George
165. Raptors - Travis Outlaw
166. Kings - Jermaine O'Neal
167. Cavaliers - JR Smith
168. Warriors - Arron Afflalo
169. Hawks - Grant Hill
170. Timberwolves - Jerryd Bayless
171. Suns - Chris Douglas-Roberts
172. Lakers (via Pacers) - JJ Redick
173. Jazz - Mickael Pietrus
174. Knicks - Udonis Haslem
175. Pistons - Tyson Chandler
176. Blazers - Tyrus Thomas
177. Hornets - Raymond Felton
178. Nets - Derek Fisher
179. Wizards - Rudy Fernandez
180. Celtics - Al Harrington


Round 7
181. Celtics - Mike Dunleavy
182. Wizards - Ryan Anderson
183. Nets - Chris Andersen
184. Hornets - Matt Barnes
185. Blazers - Wes Matthews
186. Rockets (via Pistons) - Al-Farouq Aminu
187. Knicks - Lou Williams
188. Jazz - Ersan Ilyasova
189. Pacers - Jarrett Jack
190. 76ers (via Suns)
191. Timberwolves - DeAndre Jordan
192. Hawks - Chase Budinger
193. Warriors - Hasheem Thabeet
194. Cavaliers - Shannon Brown
195. Kings - Nazr Mohammed
196. Raptors - Anthony Tolliver
197. Rockets - Randy Foye
198. Suns (via 76ers) - Will Bynum
199. Bobcats - Anderson Varejao
200. Bucks - Boris Diaw
201. Thunder - Drew Gooden
202. Spurs - Eric Maynor
203. Bulls - Marvin Williams
204. Mavericks (via Heat) - Glen Davis
205. Clippers - Beno Udrih
206. Mavericks - Kyle Lowry
207. Grizzlies - Luke Ridnour
208. Nuggets - Thabo Sefolosha
209. Magic - Charlie Villanueva
210. Pacers (via Lakers) - Ronnie Brewer

Round 8
211. Pacers (via Lakers) - Ben Wallace
212. Magic - Nate Robinson
213. Nuggets - Kevin Seraphin
214. Grizzlies - Jordan Hill
215. Heat (acquired from Mavericks) - Amir Johnson
216. Clippers - Nenad Krstic
217. Mavericks (via Heat) - Phil Jackson (HC)
218. Bulls - Kyle Korver
219. Spurs - Antonio McDyess
220. Thunder - Delonte West
221. Bucks - Ronny Turiaf
222. Bobcats - Steve Blake
223. 76ers
224. Pistons (via Rockets) - DJ Augustin
225. Raptors - Xavier Henry
226. Kings - Luke Babbitt
227. Cavaliers - James Jones
228. Warriors - Mike Conley
229. Heat (via Hawks)
230. Timberwolves - Patrick Patterson
231. Suns - Jason Maxiell
232. Pacers - Jonas Jerebko
233. Jazz - Carlos Delfino
234. Knicks - Elton Brand
235. Pistons - Gregg Popovich (HC)
236. Blazers - Donte Green
237. Hornets - Tracy McGrady
238. Rockets (via Nets) - Kenyon Martin
239. Wizards- Jeff Teague
240. Celtics - Lou Amundson

Round 9
241. Celtics - Darko Milicic
242. Wizards - Joel Anthony
243. Nets - Mike Krzyzewski (HC)
244. Hornets - Pat Riley
245. Blazers - Larry Brown (HC)
246. Pistons - Al Thornton
247. Knicks - Alvin Gentry (HC)
248. Jazz - Jerry Sloan (HC)
249. Pacers - George Karl (HC)
250. Suns - SKIPPED
251. Timberwolves
252. Lakers (via Hawks)
253. Warriors - Scott Brooks (HC)
254. Cavaliers
255. Kings
256. Raptors - Stan Van Gundy (HC)
257. Rockets
258. 76ers
259. Bobcats
260. Bucks
261. Thunder
262. Spurs
263. Bulls
264. Hawks (via Heat)
265. Clippers
266. Heat (via Mavericks)
267. Grizzlies
268. Nuggets
269. Magic
270. Pacers (via Lakers)

Round 10
271. Lakers
272. Magic
273. Nuggets
274. Grizzlies
275. Mavericks
276. Clippers
277. Heat
278. Bulls
279. Spurs
280. Thunder
281. Bucks
282. Bobcats
283. 76ers
284. Pistons (via Rockets)
285. Raptors
286. Kings
287. Cavaliers
288. Warriors
289. Hawks
290. Timberwolves
291. Suns
292. Pacers
293. Jazz
294. Knicks
295. Rockets (via Pistons)
296. Blazers
297. Hornets
298. Nets
299. Wizards
300. Celtics

Round 11
301. Celtics
302. Wizards
303. Nets
304. Hornets
305. Blazers
306. Pistons
307. Knicks
308. Jazz
309. Pacers
310. Suns
311. Timberwolves
312. Hawks
313. Warriors
314. Cavaliers
315. Kings
316. Raptors
317. Rockets
318. 76ers
319. Bobcats
320. Bucks
321. Thunder
322. Spurs
323. Bulls
324. Heat
325. Clippers
326. Mavericks
327. Grizzlies
328. Nuggets
329. Magic
330. Lakers

Round 12
331. Lakers
332. Magic
333. Nuggets
334. Grizzlies
335. Mavericks
336. Clippers
337. Heat
338. Bulls
339. Spurs
340. Thunder
341. Bucks
342. Bobcats
343. 76ers
344. Rockets
345. Raptors
346. Kings
347. Cavaliers
348. Warriors
349. Hawks
350. Timberwolves
351. Suns
352. Lakers (via Pacers)
353. Jazz
354. Knicks
355. Pistons
356. Blazers
357. Hornets
358. Nets
359. Wizards
360. Celtics

Round 13
361. Celtics
362. Wizards
363. Nets
364. Hornets
365. Blazers
366. Pistons
367. Knicks
368. Jazz
369. Lakers (via Pacers)
370. Suns
371. Timberwolves
372. Hawks
373. Warriors
374. Cavaliers
375. Kings
376. Raptors
377. Rockets
378. 76ers
379. Bobcats
380. Bucks
381. Thunder
382. Spurs
383. Bulls
384. Heat
385. Clippers
386. Mavericks
387. Grizzlies
388. Nuggets
389. Magic
390. Lakers

[Miklo]

GM's and Contact Info:

There will be a URL for a tinychat chat room that people can hop into to discuss trades, etc. We'll hopefully get everyone's email addresses so you can reach out to a specific GM.

The numbered order is NOT the order of draft selection - I am putting numbers so I can randomize it to determine the order.
1. Atlanta Hawks - Qwigglez
2. Boston Celtics - Risensun
3. Charlotte Bobcats - KayZee
4. Chicago Bulls - asubennett
5. Cleveland Cavaliers - Shuttlesworth
6. Dallas Mavericks - LV-Suns
7. Denver Nuggets - Itmotep
8. Detroit Pistons - Miklo
9. Golden State Warriors - nashrambler13
10. Houston Rockets - DaReelKboy
11. Indiana Pacers - TASTIC
12. Los Angeles Clippers - SNash13 - cfaas.koc @ gmx.de
13. Los Angeles Lakers - MaryvalesFinest - Maryvalesfinest @ yahoo.com
14. Memphis Grizzlies - Moochiefried
15. Miami Heat - SUN
16. Milwaukee Bucks - Desertfox
17. Minnesota Timberwolves - MrMiyagi
18. New Jersey Nets - whambamslam
19. New Orleans Hornets - phungk
20. New York Knicks - Calvin Klein
21. Oklahoma City Thunder - lilfishi22
22. Orlando Magic - Get Nashty
23. Philadelphia 76ers - blacksun
24. Phoenix Suns - Vincent Yin
25. Portland Trail Blazers - sd1306
26. Sacramento Kings - SOUP
27. San Antonio Spurs - JasonDaPsycho
28. Toronto Raptors - BringinDaRuckus
29. Utah Jazz - febah07
30. Washington Wizards - DirtyDez

[Miklo]

Structure/Rules
Inspired by the pioneers over on the Knicks board, adapted Suns-style

The Draft

-Draft order determined using a random number generator website

-13 round draft, 12 players and 1 coach

-When it's your pick, you have 9 hours. If you know you won't be around for your pick, e-mail or PM someone your priority list and they can make the selection for you. If you don't pick within the allotted time, the next team will be on the clock. You can return and make your pick anytime, whether it's before the next team or a couple rounds later.

-Part of your score will be on cap management so do factor in salaries. You can obviously score great even going over the luxury tax line, but you can't build a $200 million payroll.

Who's eligible to be drafted

-any player on a real NBA team's roster last season or this season, plus 2010 draft picks and any international player that an NBA team has rights to

-for your coach, any coach that isn't long retired or anything - college and international coaches are allowed too

-also remember you're building your own team so for example this would be LeBron on your team, not LeBron with 2 other volume scorers

Trades

-any draft pick or player can be traded at any time. You can't trade the draft pick that is currently on the clock though. The kicker is, trades must send out the same number of picks they bring in. So if you're receiving 2 draft picks, you must be sending out 2 of your own.

-you can trade regardless of salary, etc during the draft - but after the draft salary restrictions will apply to future trades

Scoring

To be determined

[Miklo]

Trade Tracker

[Miklo]

Alrighty so we can continue finishing up our discussion about rules and then get started!

We'll do 9 hours per pick and if everyone is making their picks a bit quicker we can always rethink it.

Scoring, we need to figure out. We've had a few ideas so I'll post em here in a few.

[lilfishi22]

Just a general question, how do people normally prepare for these types of fantasy league style games? I have zero experience.

[febah07]

yeeaaahhaa pick nr.8 in the first round sounds nice....i have already some players in my mind....hope the other gms are nice and leave them to me....hahaha

good luck everybody

[Miklo]

So for scoring, here are the ideas so far - each GM judges all the other teams other than his, on these criteria

-contending for a ring: Knicks board out of 25 points, our ideas: 50 points, 40 points, at least 50%
-building for the future: Knicks board out of 10 points, our ideas: 10 points, 15 points
-cap management: Knicks board 10 points, our ideas: 25 points, 15 points
-roster management (good mix of veterans, stars, young players): Knicks board 10 points, our ideas: 10 points, 15 points

Ideas for other categories:
-Coaching, 15 points

And fishi, you could find a list ranking NBA players so you don't forget about anybody, then just always look at players you think will be available with your next pick. Basically you should plan on getting your starting 5 with your first 5 picks, so think about the positions that way. And also mixing your roster with vets, young players etc and factoring in salary - just imagine it as a real team and then compare your ideas to whatever player list you can find. Post any questions you have here though and you'll get answers pretty quickly.

[Stix]

woot! 4th pick

im a bit confused on the scoring... Im not so sure its a good idea to be judging each others scores... maybe have the western conference judge the eastern conference???

[Risensun]

So for scoring, here are the ideas so far - each GM judges all the other teams other than his, on these criteria

-contending for a ring: Knicks board out of 25 points, our ideas: 50 points, 40 points, at least 50%
-building for the future: Knicks board out of 10 points, our ideas: 10 points, 15 points
-cap management: Knicks board 10 points, our ideas: 25 points, 15 points
-roster management (good mix of veterans, stars, young players): Knicks board 10 points, our ideas: 10 points, 15 points

Ideas for other categories:
-Coaching, 15 points

And fishi, you could find a list ranking NBA players so you don't forget about anybody, then just always look at players you think will be available with your next pick. Basically you ccount should plan on getting your starting 5 with your first 5 picks, so think about the positions that way. And also mixing your roster with vets, young players etc and factoring in salary - just imagine it as a real team and then compare your ideas to whatever player list you can find. Post any questions you have here though and you'll get answers pretty quickly.

Miklo I like the idea of having categories for cap management, contending, and building for the future. I don't know about Roster management though. I think building for the future would take into account the age of your players and contending would take into account the talent. I think roster management might be redundant. What does everyone else think?

[Miklo]

So phungk I agree, it's a good idea to look into the general practice of scoring and who will be judges.

Risensun it's funny that's the one category I'm not in love with either. Maybe pop that one out and give a bit more focus to building for the future, so that your combined building for the future/contending scores sort of imply your roster management skills.

More opinions needed on all of this! I'm just compiling, not creating any rules so speak up

[MaryvalesFinest]

Didn't I get the last pick last year during the yahoo thing also?

Nah just kidding I like it that way because I can pick twice rather than having to wait around again

[DirtyDez]

Lets get this bad boy started. 50 points for the Ring, that's my only suggestion. Oh and how are points rewarded for coaching?

[MaryvalesFinest]

EDIT: Nevermind

[Miklo]

Lets get this bad boy started. 50 points for the Ring, that's my only suggestion. Oh and how are points rewarded for coaching?

Ok, 50 for contending it is. So then maybe we cut out roster management and up the points for building for the future and cap management - then we either add a coaching score or just include the coach decision when judging the other categories (having Phil Jackson automatically boosts the contending category, etc).

So

Contending 50
Building for the future 15-20
Cap management 15-20
Coaching - either separate and worth like 10 points, or just have judges factor it into the other categories (a coach who's good with young players should add building for the future, Phil should add contending, etc).

What do you think?

EDIT: and yeah, DirtyDez after you finalize what I listed here and if anyone else chimes in, we can go ahead and get rolling!

[TASTIC]

I see a lot of peeps make their signature their team, could be a good way of tracking it also?

So just make your sig your depth chart basically

9th pick...I like...

Going to have to get out of the fantasy NBA mindset haha

[MaryvalesFinest]

On second though I might be interested in trading either pick #30 or #31

[Miklo]

I see a lot of peeps make their signature their team, could be a good way of tracking it also?

So just make your sig your depth chart basically

9th pick...I like...

Going to have to get out of the fantasy NBA mindset haha

Yeah that's what a lot of the Knicks people do. Since there are so many sig violations on the GB, I was asked politely to keep my sig to an image + 1 line of text to set an example, so I may not be able to do it

[Miklo]

Well even though we haven't 100% decided on scoring we know what's involved, I see no reason why we can't start drafting unless anyone is opposed?

[Qwigglez]

I might be interested in trading the 12th pick and 49th pick.