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Re: Championship: why not, or how. Strategy, tactics, best hopes 

Post#161 » by Ruzious » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:21 pm

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nate33 wrote:+1

I get real tired of hearing coaches being blamed for everything a team does wrong. The NBA is a players' league. With the exception of a few elite coaches (Popovich, Jackson, Sloan, Riley, Brown, maybe Skiles) there isn't a hill of beans difference between any competent coach. Teams will succeed or fail based on the talent and effort of their players.



Actually I support CCJ's premise, if not his example. Chemistry comes from a mesh of system and players, there are plenty of competent coaches who lose their jobs based on an ill fit between roster and philosophy, where others succeed with the same group.

We've seen an object lesson recently here. Jamison, Caron and Gilbert were a near ideal fit for the system that EJ cobbled together to suit their talents. They managed all-star level success in large part because of that system, Switching to Flip's system they found themselves struggling. Less freedom to freelance, stricter motion patterns, ball dominated by the PG position instead of creative duties distributed and dispersed around the floor. And under EJ the talents of a guy like Big Wood were minimized since he was a poor system fit at the offensive end.

Now I don't think that the coach is the primary difference between Showtime and our squad. (Though, hey you cite Riley as an exception. You have to expect that JaVale wouldn't be so damn obstinate in refusing to do the basics of his job if he had Riles staring laser beams at him. So maybe. It would be nice to see what a HOF calibre coach could do with this undeveloped talent). But it does worry me (in terms of developing JV for instance) that we're relying on a jumpshooting system that encourages and rewards midrange creativity from the bigs.
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I don't disagree with that (The conversation seems to be splitting in different directions.), but getting back to the point I was making to CCJ, there is no system that a championship NBA coach can use that does not include playing good defense. The Showtime Lakers were not a 1 dimentional team. That's not because of Riley's ego; that's because of Riley's basic competence.
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Post#162 » by hands11 » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:23 pm

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:(For the sake of vanity/posterity, let it be remembered that I suggested the model for this team should be the Showtime Lakers. My expectation is that won't happen because Flip and his ego/inflexibility will not allow it to happen. If the Wizards come out sluggishly and lose games at the start of the season, and Flip is constantly cracking about poor defense and guys not sticking to the system; I am sure I will be posting it's all Flip's fault. The team should just run and score.)

Sorry, I can't let that slide. Are you seriously implying the Lakers didn't play defense? They had some of the best defensive players of the era - Kareem, Cooper, Worthy, Rambis... and Magic was probably the best defensive rebounding guard of the era - not to mention the most unique PG in history by a mile.

But it's Flip's fault that the Wiz foolishly won't play like them? His ego will prevent him from doing what you think he should do? Really? Do you really think Pat Riley didn't care about defense? Westhead didn't, and Magic got him fired. Right? Westhead was not Showtime Lakers. Riley was. I think that's where you're confused.

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I get real tired of hearing coaches being blamed for everything a team does wrong. The NBA is a players' league. With the exception of a few elite coaches (Popovich, Jackson, Sloan, Riley, Brown, maybe Skiles) there isn't a hill of beans difference between any competent coach. Teams will succeed or fail based on the talent and effort of their players.



Both matter. Sure talent matter a lot but so does coaching. Specially when it comes to defense. Specially when it comes to setting the tone for the team and managing egos. Coaching matters a lot. But if you have an MJ on your team, well you have and MJ. He is going to do a lot on his own and he is also going to set the tone. So is a Magic. They are going to put in the work and focus on both sides of the game. But then you have your second tier stars and your roll player who need to be taught and used properly.

Coaches have a huge effect also by

- Calling time outs at the right time and effecting momentum
- Who they start and who and how they rotate the players
- Where they play them and with who
- Who gets pulled and why and how they handle a player who is struggling
- What they tolerate regarding how a player plays - No D. Do you sit ?
- How many minutes they get early is the year and is the team ready for the playoff - see Boston.
- Attracting free agents. People want to play of Phil and Pop

So trying to argue that is mostly about the players doesn't do it for me. You need both.
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Post#163 » by hands11 » Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:44 pm

Well if we are just talking about running on offense with no D, that was GS years ago.

Should be interesting to see what they do. Even when EJ was here and Gil was healthy, we didn't run the Princeton as much as some make it seem in hind sight.

Gil would get the ball and he would run. Now we have Wall. I think it is pretty obvious that between Wall and Gil on the floor that we are going to get the ball and run. That is what McGee likes to do also.

We are even going to run on make baskets. I can't remember where but I have already read that this was their plan.

Run Run Run. That was a lot of what Show Time was about. LA was always in high gear. They put a lot of pressure on you to get back. They would go go go until that 3 minutes stretch they would hit where you just couldn't keep up and then they had a 15-20 point lead. Even after that they would rest. They would still come at you. They would just run you off the court. They wanted to dictate the tempo and get you out of your game. Kind of like Georgetown would do to you back in the day.

But one part of show time was the outlet pass. Magic to Worthy was a big part of it. Rambus was also great at the outlet. Worthy was the perfect runner to go with Magic. He had a motor and was always moving toward the basic to finish with a dunk. But showtime could also set up in half court when the playoff hit and defense kept them from running some games. And man did they have half court options. Specially since Magic could back you down and post you up with a baby hook. This is part of what I liked about Livingston. We saw him taking PG down to the post last year and I liked it. We no longer have a PG who can do that. We also don't have a Worthy type SF.

But will we run. Yeah. That is going to be option one so I can see a lot of time we never even run any of Flips offense. We have players who can run. We have young legs. Nick and Dray and McGee can all run. Wall and Gil are uptempo runners.
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Re: Championship: why not, or how. Strategy, tactics, best hopes 

Post#164 » by doclinkin » Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:08 pm

Ruzious wrote:I don't disagree with that (The conversation seems to be splitting in different directions.), but getting back to the point I was making to CCJ, there is no system that a championship NBA coach can use that does not include playing good defense.


Getting back to the actual point of the thread: Is Flip the guy to lead us to championship contention? Is he a championship caliber NBA coach. If not what is his role here:

Is he the right guy to develop the team? The right guy to take them over the top? Does he help the team most over the long haul as a place holder, or is does he hold the team back from ultimate contention? Does his system work in the postseason? Does he instill bad habits or a system that will have to be unlearned? Is there a template for a system that has consistent success in the postseason, and can Flip teach it?

Yes these aren't the Lake Show, and Flip's interest in defense isn't what prevents us from that. If we defended better we could force misses and actually throw outlet passes that wouldn't be picked off. You don't want your frontcourt to give up the bucket just to begin leaking up court to score at the far end.

Sure, if you have the fitness, you can say: run on makes and misses alike. Just don't run BEFORE makes or misses (JaVale) don't cheat the defense.

But aside from that, long term, what are the skills you want your team developing, and how do they get there?
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Post#165 » by doclinkin » Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:08 pm

I think where Flip helps us best is here:

-- Developing John Wall as a team leader at an NBA level. Flip is tough on his Points, but Wall seems to have the temperament and capacity to absorb Flip's teaching and playbook. He will have a ton of responsibility early and will learn how to pilot a team.

-- The maturation of Andray's game. Flip played with McHale, coached Garnett. He has wrinkles in his system that are a natural fit for what Dray does best when he's playing well.

-- Instilling an intuitive understanding of a solid NBA zone system. How and when to use it, how to break it down if faced with one.
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Post#166 » by Induveca » Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:51 pm

I think Saunders is merely a solid coach, however I do like he has managed two young guys like Wall and Blatche before. That being said, I think he gets a bit too much credit.....

Saunders failed to make it out of the first round of the playoffs with KG as his star for seven straight years. I think that type of record falls squarely on the coach, and makes it pretty clear he's not the long term solution.

We should use what knowledge he has to get Wall/Blatche working well together, than realize his past limitations and bring in a more proven playoff caliber coach as he becomes available. Doc Rivers will be out there soon, I even like Jeff VanGundy for what he did with Camby/Yao (could have some benefit for McGee/Blatche).

No desire to fire Flip at all, just saying we should realize his shortcomings and not be foolish enough to expect him to lead us deep into the playoffs. If he couldn't do it with a prime KG for seven straight years, he's not a big playoff coach.
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Post#167 » by verbal8 » Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:12 pm

Induveca wrote:No desire to fire Flip at all, just saying we should realize his shortcomings and not be foolish enough to expect him to lead us deep into the playoffs. If he couldn't do it with a prime KG for seven straight years, he's not a big playoff coach.

I think Flip is a good to very good regular season coach. His team's definitely do not overachieve in the play-offs, but he did get the Pistons to the ECF a number of years.

I think it may get to a point that Flip needs to be replaced to get the team over the hump to win a championship, but I think that is at least 2 or 3 years down the road.

A couple of the Wizards' stars are the same story. Arenas and Blatche seem to be strengths for the current team, however it may take an upgrade at PF or SG to win a championship. With Arenas is may be a matter of him starting to decline when the rest of the team is peaking in their careers. With Blatche we only know at this point he is a good starter on a bad team. I think his game will adapt well and even thrive being less of a focus on the offense(and opposing defenses), but that is not certain at this point.
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Post#168 » by Ruzious » Wed Aug 11, 2010 5:13 pm

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Ruzious wrote:I don't disagree with that (The conversation seems to be splitting in different directions.), but getting back to the point I was making to CCJ, there is no system that a championship NBA coach can use that does not include playing good defense.


Getting back to the actual point of the thread: Is Flip the guy to lead us to championship contention? Is he a championship caliber NBA coach. If not what is his role here:

Is he the right guy to develop the team? The right guy to take them over the top? Does he help the team most over the long haul as a place holder, or is does he hold the team back from ultimate contention? Does his system work in the postseason? Does he instill bad habits or a system that will have to be unlearned? Is there a template for a system that has consistent success in the postseason, and can Flip teach it?

Yes these aren't the Lake Show, and Flip's interest in defense isn't what prevents us from that. If we defended better we could force misses and actually throw outlet passes that wouldn't be picked off. You don't want your frontcourt to give up the bucket just to begin leaking up court to score at the far end.

Sure, if you have the fitness, you can say: run on makes and misses alike. Just don't run BEFORE makes or misses (JaVale) don't cheat the defense.

But aside from that, long term, what are the skills you want your team developing, and how do they get there?

Honestly, I think answering most of those questions in any detail with our knowledge base requires mostly bullspitting. It depends on quality of talent, blend of talent, player development, cohesiveness, leadership, attitude, and coaching - or as we call it - QBDCLAC.
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Post#169 » by Illuminaire » Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:04 am

Induveca wrote:No desire to fire Flip at all, just saying we should realize his shortcomings and not be foolish enough to expect him to lead us deep into the playoffs. If he couldn't do it with a prime KG for seven straight years, he's not a big playoff coach.


I actually agree that Flip is a mediocre-to-poor playoff coach. I'm not sure that the KG argument is really a solid one though; KG never really seemed to have the same ability to win games on his own that other stars have. In many ways, I think KG is simply one of the most brilliantly talented defensive glue guys to ever play the game - but not a dominant superstar you could hang a franchise on.
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Post#170 » by nate33 » Thu Aug 12, 2010 12:18 pm

I'm not sure that Flip is the right coach to lead this team to a championship, but I think he's perfectly fine as a coach to build a winning team. He's infinitely better than EJ, at least. Flip will teach the guys how to play defense, and he will teach them to value possessions. Flip also has a proven track record of grooming PG's.

Flip's weakness is that he has a poor record in the playoffs. I'm not sure if it's because he really is a lousy playoff coach, or if its just that he consistently gets his teams to overachieve in the regular season but can't maintain the illusion through the playoffs. Whatever the reason, a coaching change might be needed three or four years down the road. We can cross that bridge when we get to it. For now, I'm fine with Flip.
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Post#171 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:16 pm

Ruzious wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:(For the sake of vanity/posterity, let it be remembered that I suggested the model for this team should be the Showtime Lakers. My expectation is that won't happen because Flip and his ego/inflexibility will not allow it to happen. If the Wizards come out sluggishly and lose games at the start of the season, and Flip is constantly cracking about poor defense and guys not sticking to the system; I am sure I will be posting it's all Flip's fault. The team should just run and score.)

Sorry, I can't let that slide. Are you seriously implying the Lakers didn't play defense? They had some of the best defensive players of the era - Kareem, Cooper, Worthy, Rambis... and Magic was probably the best defensive rebounding guard of the era - not to mention the most unique PG in history by a mile.

But it's Flip's fault that the Wiz foolishly won't play like them? His ego will prevent him from doing what you think he should do? Really? Do you really think Pat Riley didn't care about defense? Westhead didn't, and Magic got him fired. Right? Westhead was not Showtime Lakers. Riley was. I think that's where you're confused.



It's all Flip's fault. :)

Ruz, going back and actually looking at the numbers (and not just my impression they were running up court willy nilly): The first Laker title team with Magic as a rookie and with no Worthy, Rambis, Scott, and Cooper playing sparse minutes; they were 9th out of 22 defensively. That's a little better than average, but they did alright. They were 1st offensively.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/1980.html

Their next title team was 2nd offensively and 10th out of 23 defensively.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/1982.html

The next title team was 1st offensively and 7th out of 23 defensively.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/1985.html

And again 1st and 7th.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/1987.html

2nd and 9th
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/1988.html

Ruzious, I clearly underestimated that the Lakers were a good defensive team. You got me there.

Now they were a GREAToffensivfe team.

I would like the Wizards to be a good offensive team, even if they turn out to be a below average defensive team this season. I can see them being very good offensively and average defensively by the time Howard is fully healthy and if Gil is back to 90%. Wall is going to have a strong positive effect.
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Post#172 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:33 pm

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Don't want to judge others and think too highly of myself. (Right after posting this I came across Matt 7:3-5, Rom 12:3, and Rom 2:1).

I apologize to anybody who I may have offended before editing.
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Post#173 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:38 pm

Add to the last post what Flip didn't do is what bothered me. Never tried Jamison at SF. Never considered McGee with Haywood. Never stuck with Young. Never benched a very selfish, shotjacking Butler. Never reduced the minutes of an ineffective F tandem of Jamison and Butler. Never tried playing more than a short bench, because the team was 10-deep.

As for Oberto, he never tried Jamison, Oberto, Haywood.

He never tried Arenas, Young, Jamison, Oberto, Haywood.

I am sure this post will make me less popular among some. I am not trying to bring you down.

Just stating my opinion that if I were grading Flip on last season, by what he could have done, D would be generous.
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Post#174 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:43 pm

As for CHAMPIONSHIP STRATEGY I want the coach to be POSITIVE and to TALK PLAYERS UP.

For my part, I think Flip is going to have a TREMENDOUS year. I think he respects his young guys now. I think he can mold players like Yi towards fulfilling potential. I like that he rides them about defense and I Trust that he won't PUBLICLY rip them.

I am a cyberspace fan who's got a radical opinion that only a few people see.

However, Coach Saunders' words shape the perceptions of MILLIONS of people. He can talk up Blatche publicly even if he rips him privately.

Flip can be composed and positive and loyal to his players, especially in defeat if the effort is there.

I think this is going to be a fun, exciting year and a very successful one for the Wizards.
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Post#175 » by closg00 » Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:03 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Add to the last post what Flip didn't do is what bothered me. Never tried Jamison at SF. Never considered McGee with Haywood. Never stuck with Young. Never benched a very selfish, shotjacking Butler. Never reduced the minutes of an ineffective F tandem of Jamison and Butler. Never tried playing more than a short bench, because the team was 10-deep.

As for Oberto, he never tried Jamison, Oberto, Haywood.

He never tried Arenas, Young, Jamison, Oberto, Haywood.

I am sure this post will make me less popular among some. I am not trying to bring you down.

Just stating my opinion that if I were grading Flip on last season, by what he could have done, D would be generous.


Count me firmly in your camp on this CCJ. I agree and agreed %100 at the time that Flip was coaching horribly and had put himself and the team into a box by sticking to a rotation that not-only wasn't working, but working-out rather badly.
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Post#176 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:14 pm

nate33 wrote:I'm not sure that Flip is the right coach to lead this team to a championship, but I think he's perfectly fine as a coach to build a winning team. He's infinitely better than EJ, at least. Flip will teach the guys how to play defense, and he will teach them to value possessions. Flip also has a proven track record of grooming PG's.

Flip's weakness is that he has a poor record in the playoffs. I'm not sure if it's because he really is a lousy playoff coach, or if its just that he consistently gets his teams to overachieve in the regular season but can't maintain the illusion through the playoffs. Whatever the reason, a coaching change might be needed three or four years down the road. We can cross that bridge when we get to it. For now, I'm fine with Flip.

+1

I disagree that he's infinitely better than EJ, however. EJ was just as good as Flip in playoffs before KG got Cassell/Sprewell, and before Flip just inherited a talent-rich Pistons team. I think Flip's a (somewhat to slightly) better coach than Eddie. Eddie has stronger personal rapport with players and is most respectful under fire.
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Post#177 » by Ruzious » Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:43 pm

Induveca wrote:I think Saunders is merely a solid coach, however I do like he has managed two young guys like Wall and Blatche before. That being said, I think he gets a bit too much credit.....

Saunders failed to make it out of the first round of the playoffs with KG as his star for seven straight years. I think that type of record falls squarely on the coach, and makes it pretty clear he's not the long term solution.

We should use what knowledge he has to get Wall/Blatche working well together, than realize his past limitations and bring in a more proven playoff caliber coach as he becomes available. Doc Rivers will be out there soon, I even like Jeff VanGundy for what he did with Camby/Yao (could have some benefit for McGee/Blatche).

No desire to fire Flip at all, just saying we should realize his shortcomings and not be foolish enough to expect him to lead us deep into the playoffs. If he couldn't do it with a prime KG for seven straight years, he's not a big playoff coach.

I agree with the first part, but I think the major malfunction in Minnesota was Kevin McHale's consistent failure to put a reasonably good team around KG. If anything, I'd criticise Flip for not having more playoff success with Detroit - where he did have team built to win. As long as the team improves, I want him to stay. If it regresses, then he should go. There should a simple cause and effect - similar to how he is with his players. If they don't play defense, he lets them know rather than saying - "Hey, nice job. Have a cookie. Keep up the good work, Brownie."
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Post#178 » by doclinkin » Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:07 am

Taking a look at the Four Factors (eFG% differential, Free Throws, Rebounding, Turnovers). A quick read with limited data suggests:

Flip's teams generally tend to shoot efficiently despite ignoring the three point line. His teams take open shots, move the ball until they get an open shot, work to get those open shots. He may not take many of them, but they work to ensure that the better shot appears.

Flip's squads tend to post poor ratios in Free Throw Rate differential. They're willing to foul to prevent easy buckets, but more importantly: taking open jumpshots means you are less likely to be fouled yourself. His is not a dribble-drive attack that allows for slashing attacks from perimeter players. Nor is it a system that pounds it into the Bigs to take point blank shots as often as possible.

Flip's teams tend to rebound fairly well. A zone-heavy defense means that teams will shoot from outside. Flip's teams quite often give up a high percentage of long two-pointers. They take them, they give them away for free. They challenge everything else. Flip's core defensive principles are to shade the paint, cheat to the ball side to discourage dribble-drive attacks into the paint and cut off interior passing (but allow side-to-side passes) and run out at three point shooters. If you break your man down off the dribble, still there are two Bigs waiting to stop the drive, you may feel free to pull up short and take the shot.

Long jumpers lead to long rebounds, which minimizes the fact that often Flip's Bigs are fronting the post, especially on the Ball side. Long bounces leave you less vulnerable to opponent bigs who have good inside position.

Turnovers tend to be excellent since Flip prefers that the only player who moves with the ball be the ballhandling guard. He's a point guard, he doesn't trust anyone else with his offense, with the ball. That's not their job. He wants one player as the conduit for his ideas. Other players may make short passes, preferably to an open man. HIs pivot player often is a decent-passing Big stationed at or above the freethrow line. This player is often a relay passer, not moving with the ball but swinging it quickly to a player coming off a motion pattern past screens to spring free. YOu can trust your Kevin McHale, your KG, Rasheed perhaps if htey'v eproven themselves to have good reads and Ball IQ. But mostly, it's the PG.

In some respects I think this may prove a weakness in postseason play. It is easier to stall the point of attack if you rely heavily on one player to do the bulk of the ballhandling. Contrast with the Triangle offense that allows any perimeter player to initiate the attack, and minimizes TOs not by concentrating possessions into the hands of a single player, but instead by fetishizing spacing and emphasizing short passes. Somebody is always open, you needn't wait for the clockwork play to work.

Flip's system often takes a while to develop, but if it doesn't tick quickly it then requires a bail-out shot late in the clock. (Last year: Dray. Previously: Billups or Sheed, most often).

The league's emphasis on the handcheck defenses tends to mean that a large proportion of your late-game foul calls get whistled in favor of your dribble-drive slashers. If you can starve a player of touches or stall a PG at the point of attack, you can monkey wrench the timing on that 24 second machine.

That said with a 2nd proficient ballhandler, in Flip's twin guard sets, either player may initiate the attack. It's been a while since we've seen Gilbert with the rust knocked off, but I'm guessing he'll earn back many of his fans, make a few new ones with his passing and team focus. He's been quiet, training with Tim Grover all summer, having apparently just discovered weight-training last year. After all the poison that came with his tarnished stardom, I suspect he's picked up a seriousness of purpose, desire to prove himself with his game, while stepping back from the spotlight elsewhere. I'm eager to welcome him back. Would love it if he were having fun again.

Questions this raises:

Is Hibachi plus Johnny Ballgame enough to carry this team over the top? Given two uptempo ballhandlers can we run as easily off makes as well as misses? Can we play an uptempo brand of offense where our youth and depth give us fresh legs all game long -- even if we have a few holes on defense? (Potentially undersized perimeter defense, and iffy interior rebounding).

Our best strength is our transition offense, not (yet) our chemistry, patterns, picks, and team passing. Will Flip loosen the reins to encourage a faster pace, or will he stall to input a set to his Coach-on-the-floor? Can an uptempo offense win in the postseason, given that more fouls are allowed, defenses tighten, and opponents have fresher legs with the long layoffs between games?

Consider too the Rock-Paper-Scissors game to beat each of the top opponents. Are we stocked to beat them? How would you defeat each of the following conference opponents, where is their achilles' heel and do we have the pieces to exploit it? :

-- EC Finals representative Boston Celtics'. With experience, size, savvy, defense, spread offense, and the creativity of the dynamic Rajon Rondo. (Weaknesses: age, father time, injuries, declining consistency).

-- The indomitable interior power and solid perimeter play of the Orlando Magic. (Weaknesses: best player is in a ball-dependent position, with out real skill to make space for himself or create his own offense. Requires someone who can get him the ball).

-- The superior unmatched talent of the Miami two-plus-one plus scraps. Even playing two-on-five LeBJ and Wade could beat many of the teams in the league. Tough to gameplan against since both are master improvisers. Bosh's range gives room underneath for either to operate. (Possible Weaknesses: center position doesn't quite have synergy with the rest of the team. Big Z determines that you walk it up if you want him involved at all.)

Are there other up-and-comers who will prove dangerous roadblocks over the next 3 years? Larry Brown's collection of bouncy small forwards perhaps? Atlanta? Strengths, weaknesses? Wiz' best hopes to win? Suggested tactics, or roster holes?
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Re: Championship: why not, or how. Strategy, tactics, best hopes 

Post#179 » by Induveca » Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:59 am

Winning a championship here in Washington isn't going to happen anytime in the next 5-6 years. I'm realistic enough to admit that. Miami/LA will still be dominant over the next 4-6 seasons (Yes I think Bryant will still be that effective for at least 4 more seasons, and Kupchak always seems to find guys to help).

So I'm more asking a question of "how can we be ultra competitive" over the next few seasons. I think Leonsis' strategy of building through scouting/draft picks, competing hard every year and nurturing our existing guys makes the most sense. Honestly it's the most logical approach, and creates the best atmosphere for players and fans.

I think throughout this board the past few years, and in the mindset of many failing franchises in general the approach of "tanking" or hoping beyond hope for a magical free agent to swoop in and save your franchise chance has been foolhardy and unwise. With either approach you're hoping for a 20% chance ping pong ball to save your franchise, or a 3% chance of a free agent choosing your possibly undesirable location/franchise. That being said, we got very lucky with Wall.......but that's certainly the exception to the rule. To continue to hope beyond hope for another #1-#2 or signing a Carmelo Anthony to "save" the franchise is extremely shortsighted. If Anthony were to decide to sign here? Fine, but don't plan your future around a lottery type situation.

Very happy Leonsis is here right now. We'll win a championship one day, and being considered one of the most professional of NBA franchises will be a big part of attracting the pieces to make that happen.
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Re: Championship: why not, or how. Strategy, tactics, best hopes 

Post#180 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:56 am

doclinkin wrote:Taking a look at the Four Factors (eFG% differential, Free Throws, Rebounding, Turnovers). A quick read with limited data suggests:

Flip's teams generally tend to shoot efficiently despite ignoring the three point line. His teams take open shots, move the ball until they get an open shot, work to get those open shots. He may not take many of them, but they work to ensure that the better shot appears.

Flip's squads tend to post poor ratios in Free Throw Rate differential. They're willing to foul to prevent easy buckets, but more importantly: taking open jumpshots means you are less likely to be fouled yourself. His is not a dribble-drive attack that allows for slashing attacks from perimeter players. Nor is it a system that pounds it into the Bigs to take point blank shots as often as possible.

Flip's teams tend to rebound fairly well. A zone-heavy defense means that teams will shoot from outside. Flip's teams quite often give up a high percentage of long two-pointers. They take them, they give them away for free. They challenge everything else. Flip's core defensive principles are to shade the paint, cheat to the ball side to discourage dribble-drive attacks into the paint and cut off interior passing (but allow side-to-side passes) and run out at three point shooters. If you break your man down off the dribble, still there are two Bigs waiting to stop the drive, you may feel free to pull up short and take the shot.

Long jumpers lead to long rebounds, which minimizes the fact that often Flip's Bigs are fronting the post, especially on the Ball side. Long bounces leave you less vulnerable to opponent bigs who have good inside position.

Turnovers tend to be excellent since Flip prefers that the only player who moves with the ball be the ballhandling guard. He's a point guard, he doesn't trust anyone else with his offense, with the ball. That's not their job. He wants one player as the conduit for his ideas. Other players may make short passes, preferably to an open man. HIs pivot player often is a decent-passing Big stationed at or above the freethrow line. This player is often a relay passer, not moving with the ball but swinging it quickly to a player coming off a motion pattern past screens to spring free. YOu can trust your Kevin McHale, your KG, Rasheed perhaps if htey'v eproven themselves to have good reads and Ball IQ. But mostly, it's the PG.

In some respects I think this may prove a weakness in postseason play. It is easier to stall the point of attack if you rely heavily on one player to do the bulk of the ballhandling. Contrast with the Triangle offense that allows any perimeter player to initiate the attack, and minimizes TOs not by concentrating possessions into the hands of a single player, but instead by fetishizing spacing and emphasizing short passes. Somebody is always open, you needn't wait for the clockwork play to work.

Will Flip loosen the reins to encourage a faster pace, or will he stall to input a set to his Coach-on-the-floor? Can an uptempo offense win in the postseason, given that more fouls are allowed, defenses tighten, and opponents have fresher legs with the long layoffs between games?

Consider too the Rock-Paper-Scissors game to beat each of the top opponents. Are we stocked to beat them? How would you defeat each of the following conference opponents, where is their achilles' heel and do we have the pieces to exploit it? :

-- EC Finals representative Boston Celtics'. With experience, size, savvy, defense, spread offense, and the creativity of the dynamic Rajon Rondo. (Weaknesses: age, father time, injuries, declining consistency).

-- The indomitable interior power and solid perimeter play of the Orlando Magic. (Weaknesses: best player is in a ball-dependent position, with out real skill to make space for himself or create his own offense. Requires someone who can get him the ball).

-- The superior unmatched talent of the Miami two-plus-one plus scraps. Even playing two-on-five LeBJ and Wade could beat many of the teams in the league. Tough to gameplan against since both are master improvisers. Bosh's range gives room underneath for either to operate. (Possible Weaknesses: center position doesn't quite have synergy with the rest of the team. Big Z determines that you walk it up if you want him involved at all.)

Are there other up-and-comers who will prove dangerous roadblocks over the next 3 years? Larry Brown's collection of bouncy small forwards perhaps? Atlanta? Strengths, weaknesses? Wiz' best hopes to win? Suggested tactics, or roster holes?



As far as I'm concerned, Flip needs to do the opposite of what he did last season. Don't be a controlling, uptight coach who goes off on players. Don't get too upset with Wall's turnovers. Don't get to upset when guys don't follow the system on offense and they appear to be playing street ball. Do not force the PG to become a robot.

Flip IMO will be tempted to start Hinrich over Arenas, or he'll bench Wall for turning it over.

Flip needs to see the positives. I have to see whether he has it in him to loosen the reigns, doc.
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