I bet Zeke pushed for Jennings....

[hobojoe2131]

I'm here to keep history from being re-written. Layden has been let off the hook Pre-Isiah and I'll be damned if Walsh is gonna be let off the hook Post-Isiah, especially considering he was in a perfectly ideal position to steer the Knicks in the right direction, and all he's done is draft poorly and over pay Amare and Felt-on...and trade Jeffries and try to get him back.

And everybody wants to keep pretending he's solving all the problems...because some contracts expired. Um, you didn't have to pay those guys, so why get all up in arms about it. WORRY ABOUT GETTING SOME GOOD PLAYERS AND BUILDING A TEAM!

Walsh is failing and the RECORD will reflect that.

Draft poorly? I see one miss: Hill, who the Rockets happened to insist upon in order for that deal to go through.

[omerome]

I'm here to keep history from being re-written. Layden has been let off the hook Pre-Isiah and I'll be damned if Walsh is gonna be let off the hook Post-Isiah, especially considering he was in a perfectly ideal position to steer the Knicks in the right direction, and all he's done is draft poorly and over pay Amare and Felt-on...and trade Jeffries and try to get him back.

And everybody wants to keep pretending he's solving all the problems...because some contracts expired. Um, you didn't have to pay those guys, so why get all up in arms about it. WORRY ABOUT GETTING SOME GOOD PLAYERS AND BUILDING A TEAM!

Walsh is failing and the RECORD will reflect that.

First of all, Layden was not let of the hook. He and Isiah were both responsible for the mess we just got out of. Why are you so against Walsh? Because he actually had a plan and executed it as he said he would? Whether you like it or not, we are moving in the right direction.

You said that we overpaid for Amar'e, do you think he would of come any cheaper? I'm fine with his contract and he fits in perfectly with the system we have. And we overpaid for Felton? Really? A two year contract for the best available PG on the market is not overpaying and even if you think he is, it's just two years.

Also I guess you believe everything you hear on the internet. Did Walsh say that he is interested in getting Jeffries back? Was there an actual quote? I guess you believed that we offered Shannon Brown the five million contract too right?

You are just hating to hate and you aren't the first person to do so and you aren't the last. If you are trying to be original, get in line, take a number and sit down with the other 92034723982357234 people who preceded you.

[seren]

I wanted to take your post seriously so I went and looked at the numbers.

Felton: 46% FG, 39% 3FG.
Jennings: 37% FG, 37% 3FG.

I don't think they are even close. Now if you want to compare their rookie years, that is fair (ie 39% vs. 37%), but we are not getting a rookie to run our offense. We are getting a player who learned the position.

Uh huh...we'll see who you'd rather have in about 3 months. It won't be Felt-on. And Jennings won't be a rookie either.

I take it back. I can't take such childish statements seriously. Jennings may be as good as Felton someday which is doubtful. What you fail to see is that we did not sign Felton to a Isiah type of contract (ie 5 years with trade kickers). We signed Felton to prove himself within a two year window.

[basaglia]

I'm here to keep history from being re-written. Layden has been let off the hook Pre-Isiah and I'll be damned if Walsh is gonna be let off the hook Post-Isiah, especially considering he was in a perfectly ideal position to steer the Knicks in the right direction, and all he's done is draft poorly and over pay Amare and Felt-on...and trade Jeffries and try to get him back.

And everybody wants to keep pretending he's solving all the problems...because some contracts expired. Um, you didn't have to pay those guys, so why get all up in arms about it. WORRY ABOUT GETTING SOME GOOD PLAYERS AND BUILDING A TEAM!

Walsh is failing and the RECORD will reflect that.

Draft poorly? I see one miss: Hill, who the Rockets happened to insist upon in order for that deal to go through.

And I see Jennings and Lopez

[hobojoe2131]

I'm here to keep history from being re-written. Layden has been let off the hook Pre-Isiah and I'll be damned if Walsh is gonna be let off the hook Post-Isiah, especially considering he was in a perfectly ideal position to steer the Knicks in the right direction, and all he's done is draft poorly and over pay Amare and Felt-on...and trade Jeffries and try to get him back.

And everybody wants to keep pretending he's solving all the problems...because some contracts expired. Um, you didn't have to pay those guys, so why get all up in arms about it. WORRY ABOUT GETTING SOME GOOD PLAYERS AND BUILDING A TEAM!

Walsh is failing and the RECORD will reflect that.

Draft poorly? I see one miss: Hill, who the Rockets happened to insist upon in order for that deal to go through.

And I see Jennings and Lopez

Jennings sucks and Gallo > Lopez. Next?

[basaglia]

I wanted to take your post seriously so I went and looked at the numbers.

Felton: 46% FG, 39% 3FG.
Jennings: 37% FG, 37% 3FG.

I don't think they are even close. Now if you want to compare their rookie years, that is fair (ie 39% vs. 37%), but we are not getting a rookie to run our offense. We are getting a player who learned the position.

Uh huh...we'll see who you'd rather have in about 3 months. It won't be Felt-on. And Jennings won't be a rookie either.

I take it back. I can't take such childish statements seriously. Jennings may be as good as Felton someday which is doubtful. What you fail to see is that we did not sign Felton to a Isiah type of contract (ie 5 years with trade kickers). We signed Felton to prove himself within a two year window.

And there it is...this is Knick fandom 2010. You guys hate Isiah so much that you will hype a PG who had 4 years to prove he was any good on an expansion team and was weak as hell. NO ONE wanted him...and then the Knicks came along. What's that tell you?

I wish a bunch of you would follow up with some nonsense about Felt-on being better than Jennings. Matter of fact, I'm gonna keep upping that subject all season long...Felt-on vs. Jennings...all because this guy spat out that garbage.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

we did not sign Felton to a Isiah type of contract (ie 5 years with trade kickers). We signed Felton to prove himself within a two year window.

Quoted For Truth.

[basaglia]

Jennings sucks and Gallo > Lopez. Next?

Felton > Jennings
Gallo > Lopez

Cool.

[hobojoe2131]

Jennings sucks and Gallo > Lopez. Next?

Felton > Jennings
Gallo > Lopez

Cool.

Good, we're in agreement.

[basaglia]

we did not sign Felton to a Isiah type of contract (ie 5 years with trade kickers). We signed Felton to prove himself within a two year window.

Quoted For Truth.

Right. And that makes it okay...proving my point yet again. As long as his name isn't Isiah Thomas, all present and future Knick GM can keep up the Knicks 40+ year tradition of wack draft picks, overpaid FAs and bad trades. And most of all...not winning the title.

Again...at some point, you're gonna have to look at what WALSH has done. Isn't that what you guys keep saying to guys like me when we tried to defend Zeke when he had to clean up Layden's mess?

All kidding aside: when will Walsh be held accountable on his own merits? I say never. And the Knicks will still be a lottery team 3 and 4 years from now.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

And there it is...this is Knick fandom 2010. You guys hate Isiah so much that you will hype a PG who had 4 years to prove he was any good on an expansion team and was weak as hell. NO ONE wanted him...and then the Knicks came along. What's that tell you?

I wish a bunch of you would follow up with some nonsense about Felt-on being better than Jennings. Matter of fact, I'm gonna keep upping that subject all season long...Felt-on vs. Jennings...all because this guy spat out that garbage.

I think that Jennings is more talented than Felton and has more potential, but I don't understand why we are even comparing the two. Our decision to pass on Jennings last summer had nothing to do with Felton.

I do agree that not drafting Jennings was a mistake -- one that several other GMs made as well.

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

we did not sign Felton to a Isiah type of contract (ie 5 years with trade kickers). We signed Felton to prove himself within a two year window.

Quoted For Truth.

Right. And that makes it okay...proving my point yet again. As long as his name isn't Isiah Thomas, all present and future Knick GM can keep up the Knicks 40+ year tradition of wack draft picks, overpaid FAs and bad trades.

You either misunderstood his point, or are simply trying to twist it to fit yours. It was a good signing because we gave a reasonable contract to a young point guard, with potential for improvement, who plays both sides of the ball. We didn't sign him to a long-term deal, with trade kickers, but instead gave him two years to show what he can do.

Isiah never made moves like that.

Again...at some point, you're gonna have to look at what WALSH has done. Isn't that what you guys keep saying to guys like me when we tried to defend Zeke when he had to clean up Layden's mess?

All kidding aside: when will Walsh be held accountable on his own merits? I say never. And the Knicks will still be a lottery team 3 and 4 years from now.

And we will look at what he's done. Walsh took over a mess that was worse than the one left by Layden, and after two years has rebuilt the roster into one that should compete for a playoff spot and have additional cap space next off-season. Isiah got 5 years. In another 3, if the Knicks are still a mess, with no draft picks, and no cap room (which is what Zeke left Walsh), then Donnie should of course be judged harshly.

[seren]

Right. And that makes it okay...proving my point yet again. As long as his name isn't Isiah Thomas, all present and future Knick GM can keep up the Knicks 40+ year tradition of wack draft picks, overpaid FAs and bad trades. And most of all...not winning the title.

Again...at some point, you're gonna have to look at what WALSH has done. Isn't that what you guys keep saying to guys like me when we tried to defend Zeke when he had to clean up Layden's mess?

All kidding aside: when will Walsh be held accountable on his own merits? I say never. And the Knicks will still be a lottery team 3 and 4 years from now.

There is a difference between Isiah's approach and Walsh's approach. Walsh acknowledged Isiah left a mess. Spent two years to clean it up. He is almost done with the exception of Curry.

Isiah did not acknowledge he got a mess. He tried nothing to clean it up. Instead, he stockpiled more sh*t on top of the sh*t.

I have repeated this consistently. Phase one was successful for Walsh, ie cleaning up the mess. Now this is his team. We can judge him with this year's results.

[Stuckey-man]

Right. And that makes it okay...proving my point yet again. As long as his name isn't Isiah Thomas, all present and future Knick GM can keep up the Knicks 40+ year tradition of wack draft picks, overpaid FAs and bad trades. And most of all...not winning the title.

Again...at some point, you're gonna have to look at what WALSH has done. Isn't that what you guys keep saying to guys like me when we tried to defend Zeke when he had to clean up Layden's mess?

All kidding aside: when will Walsh be held accountable on his own merits? I say never. And the Knicks will still be a lottery team 3 and 4 years from now.

I'm missing something here.

What are you arguing exactly?

Walsh will be judged based on merit beginning this season. I don't know anyone who disagrees with this?

Do you mean to defend Isiah Thomas? Are you suggesting he was not as bad as his track record indicates?

You seem to not have focus.

Clarify exactly what it is you're trying to argue when it comes to Isiah Thomas?

[bklynstoops]

And there it is...this is Knick fandom 2010. You guys hate Isiah so much that you will hype a PG who had 4 years to prove he was any good on an expansion team and was weak as hell. NO ONE wanted him...and then the Knicks came along. What's that tell you?

I wish a bunch of you would follow up with some nonsense about Felt-on being better than Jennings. Matter of fact, I'm gonna keep upping that subject all season long...Felt-on vs. Jennings...all because this guy spat out that garbage.

dude, why so worked up? You're the only one trying to rewrite history. Isiah sucked. Let's at least agree on that. If you really have to be hand-held through all the events of the debacle that was the Isiah era, then I don't know what to say.

Seems like you're just upset that, in your perception, Walsh is getting more leeway than Isiah. If that is the case, it's because Isiah was just that bad and left a situation where fans were going to be more patient as long as there was a direction. You can't take away from what Walsh has done to clean up the mess. If you want clear evidence that he's done a good job, just look at your boy Isiah trying to climb in the ring now. You think he'd be trying to get face time with the Knicks again, if the perception of the organization hasn't improved since he left?

Let's see what the team looks like this season. A lot of things have changed since last year. It just sounds like hate when you're trying to put us in the lottery again just because you're pissed someone replaced your guy.

[StutterStep]

And we will look at what he's done. Walsh took over a mess that was worse than the one left by Layden, and after two years has rebuilt the roster into one that should compete for a playoff spot and have additional cap space next off-season. Isiah got 5 years. In another 3, if the Knicks are still a mess, with no draft picks, and no cap room (which is what Zeke left Walsh), then Donnie should of course be judged harshly.

Hell NO on the BOLD! Two of our supposedly worst contracts:

Zach went on to have two good years and make the most recent All-Star team, in the West, that.

Crawford went on to win Sixth Man of the Year this recent season for the 3rd seed in the East.

...and they're also better than any player Zeke inherited, except for McDyess but his performance has not rivaled either of these guys.

The roster also had youth: Lee, Nate, Balkman, Mardy, Wilson when Walsh inherited it.

So Hell to the NO! Walsh chose to rebuild to chase LeBron. A tweak here/there this team could have competed nearly as well as this team is supposed to this year.

[StutterStep]

Isiah got 5 years. In another 3, if the Knicks are still a mess, with no draft picks, and no cap room (which is what Zeke left Walsh), then Donnie should of course be judged harshly.

Isiah did not get 5 years... You know that so no need to debate this.

The Knicks do not control their next two draft picks, so this coming season and off-season is going to be major. This team should/must make the playoffs to avoid another lottery pick gone, and we need to be clear about our goal in the summer or during the season for S/T regarding the Curry contract slot.

[NikeFoamposites]

we did not sign Felton to a Isiah type of contract (ie 5 years with trade kickers). We signed Felton to prove himself within a two year window.

Quoted For Truth.

Right. And that makes it okay...proving my point yet again. As long as his name isn't Isiah Thomas, all present and future Knick GM can keep up the Knicks 40+ year tradition of wack draft picks, overpaid FAs and bad trades. And most of all...not winning the title.

Again...at some point, you're gonna have to look at what WALSH has done. Isn't that what you guys keep saying to guys like me when we tried to defend Zeke when he had to clean up Layden's mess?

All kidding aside: when will Walsh be held accountable on his own merits? I say never. And the Knicks will still be a lottery team 3 and 4 years from now.

^moron

[Stuckey-man]

The Knicks do not control their next two draft picks, so this coming season and off-season is going to be major. This team should/must make the playoffs to avoid another lottery pick gone.

Not if the Rockets don't make the play-offs it is not, which they didn't do last year, btw.

[NikeFoamposites]

And we will look at what he's done. Walsh took over a mess that was worse than the one left by Layden, and after two years has rebuilt the roster into one that should compete for a playoff spot and have additional cap space next off-season. Isiah got 5 years. In another 3, if the Knicks are still a mess, with no draft picks, and no cap room (which is what Zeke left Walsh), then Donnie should of course be judged harshly.

Hell NO on the BOLD! Two of our supposedly worst contracts:

Zach went on to have two good years and make the most recent All-Star team, in the West, that.

Crawford went on to win Sixth Man of the Year this recent season for the 3rd seed in the East.

...and they're also better than any player Zeke inherited, except for McDyess but his performance has not rivaled either of these guys.

The roster also had youth: Lee, Nate, Balkman, Mardy, Wilson when Walsh inherited it.

So Hell to the NO! Walsh chose to rebuild to chase LeBron. A tweak here/there this team could have competed nearly as well as this team is supposed to this year.

2 bad games arent played on paper. zro was a black hole in portland, ny, and LA...he switched up his game in Memphis. this great knick team u speak of won 23 games kid. get a clue.