[Build A Team 4.0] Discussion Thread Part II -*SPEED ROUNDS*

[I am Ra]

Nice Pekovic pick, was hoping he'd go unnoticed until my pick.

Yeah. I had him penciled in because I dont think many people realized he came over and had him on the board. This is good value and completes my roster.

Jrue Holiday - Rodrigue Beubois - Eric Bledsoe
DeMar DeRozan - Omri Casspi
Nicolas Batum - Jonas Jerebko
DeMarcus Cousins - DeJuan Blair
Andrew Bynum - Hasheem Thabeet - Nikola Pekovic

I think thats a very very good young roster, that can make the playoffs year one. Will shut teams down and has a very solid half court sets. Enough 3 point shooting with Holiday, Batum, Casspi and even Roddy B. Good midrangers with Cousins, Blair, Jerbko and DeRozan. Post up game with Cousins, Bynum, Blair and Pekovic. I think this team is one of the better value teams.

[I am Ra]

Last pick, no more trades for now. I can just chill and wait for my coach.

You sir, are a lucky man.
Nice roster and good luck with the coach decision.

thanks.

I already have 4 coaching choices and all are assistants or not in the NBA so I think one should be in the 13th.

[bishnykfan]

One pick in the last six hours on a Sunday? I am available again if anyone can't make their pick feel free to email me your board to get this back on track.

bish1324@aol.com

[swisscheeseD]

Jrue Holiday - Rodrigue Beubois - Eric Bledsoe
DeMar DeRozan - Omri Casspi
Nicolas Batum - Jonas Jerebko
DeMarcus Cousins - DeJuan Blair
Andrew Bynum - Hasheem Thabeet - Nikola Pekovic

I think thats a very very good young roster, that can make the playoffs year one. Will shut teams down and has a very solid half court sets. Enough 3 point shooting with Holiday, Batum, Casspi and even Roddy B. Good midrangers with Cousins, Blair, Jerbko and DeRozan. Post up game with Cousins, Bynum, Blair and Pekovic. I think this team is one of the better value teams.

You certainly did a bang up job wheeling and dealing the minute you took over as GM, putting together a collection of some quality young talent. But I'm not sold that a team that resembles that of a Rookie/Sophomore challenge roster, with no proven leadership, nor a "go to" guy...is looked at as a playoff team, especially considering you speaking of hiring an "Assistant" coach or a non-NBA head coach to lead them.

Yes you put together a nice collection of talent, and you have a good eye for that talent as well as a keen sense of when to net that type of player at what time...BUT...I just can't see a team built like this having success in the league. Maybe it's just me, but there are so many elements to a build...and you beat the horse with one of them.

This is 4.0 and we still haven't got this right yet. I know you can't please everybody, but its up to those individuals to step up their game and make this as realistic as possible. Waiting til the 13th round to select the leader of your "playoff" team is basically making a mockery of the fact that we introduced coaches into the player pool itself. If nobody was going to take it seriously, then why bother? It would be one thing I guess if you limited the coach availability to only the 30 that coach in the game today, but instead we decided..."hire whoever the heck you want".

I guess I really can't blame anyone for not concerning themselves with the believability of the competition, but this is REALGM...and this BAT gives us the closest thing possible to being that.

[NewEra]

One pick in the last six hours on a Sunday? I am available again if anyone can't make their pick feel free to email me your board to get this back on track.

bish1324@aol.com

Guess everyone's busy today

[NewEra]

Hey Swiss, what's your thoughts on the deal Smoke and I made? I know you said it would be interesting to see what became of our discussions.

[swisscheeseD]

Hey Swiss, what's your thoughts on the deal Smoke and I made? I know you said it would be interesting to see what became of our discussions.

I like Smoke's style a lot. It may not always be the direction I would have taken, but he always builds a team with a plan and finds a way to find players that compliment each other throughout the roster. With that said...if I were consulting with him before he decided to pull a trigger, I would have told him NO WAY you make that trade.

He basically traded a young Camby for the old Camby, and took on Charlie V's putrid contract for an 8th rounder. Not to mention he handed over Shawn Marion in the process. Was it worth it for an 8th rounder? I don't think so...sorry Smoke.

newera...obviously I LOVED the deal for your side, but I'd like to see you take a different direction with your roster. There is ONE guy in you Starting Lineup that doesn't fit in with the rest, and if you replace him with a guy that can spread the floor...you'll have the makings for a quality uptempo team.

Maybe SSOL?

[Shorty Doo-Wop]

I finally have a starting five what do you guys think?
PG: Rajon Rondo
SG: Tyreke Evans
SF: Chase Budinger
PF: Paul Millsap
C: Anderson Varejao

[bishnykfan]

One pick in the last six hours on a Sunday? I am available again if anyone can't make their pick feel free to email me your board to get this back on track.

bish1324@aol.com

Guess everyone's busy today

Yeah I guess so, the board seems dead today. I was hoping the draft would move along on a Sunday.

And swiss I agree with you on the Wolves. Ra, while I love the quality youth and talent that you have assembled, and respect the job that you have done taking over in a tough situation mid-draft, I don't feel that the Wolves as constructed would be a playoff team. I just think that a team with that much inexperience would have a hard time getting into the playoffs. I do however, love your future.

swiss, as far as the coach goes, I would say that you need the players to make a successful coach. Taking a coach before you have at minimum your eight-man rotation down seems counterproductive. If you take a Phil Jackson, it looks great, but if you have a 30 win team, I would argue that Jackson is not a great choice at all. He would probably retire after one year leaving your franchise in worse shape. I think most GM's feel that picking a coach before a rotation player is a risk, unless you are picking a young up and coming coach that will stick with your franchise through a down year. And in a B-a-T, that is a counterproductive. That is my thinking on it anyway, but everyone looks at it different, that is what we will be judged on.

[swisscheeseD]

swiss, as far as the coach goes, I would say that you need the players to make a successful coach. Taking a coach before you have at minimum your eight-man rotation down seems counterproductive. If you take a Phil Jackson, it looks great, but if you have a 30 win team, I would argue that Jackson is not a great choice at all. He would probably retire after one year leaving your franchise in worse shape. I think most GM's feel that picking a coach before a rotation player is a risk, unless you are picking a young up and coming coach that will stick with your franchise through a down year. And in a B-a-T, that is a counterproductive. That is my thinking on it anyway, but everyone looks at it different, that is what we will be judged on.

My take on it is that you should already have a Coach (or Coaches) in mind to DETERMINE what kind of players you draft to fill your rotation, and get that guy when your time is right. Instead, some see it as get a collection of players and I'll just take someone who's available at the end of the draft.

Whenever I do one of these BAT's, I always try to put myself in the shoes of those executives who build these franchises. It should obviously be fun, but it makes it more interesting to make it realistic at the same time.

I dunno...I think I just have to stop doing these BAT's and just get a real job in some teams Front Office.

[swisscheeseD]

Oh...

The Dallas Mavericks are looking to move up from 232...anybody with an upcoming selection that is actually alive on this board today, email me any proposal's.

ChrisJSmith36@gmail.com

[NewEra]

Hey Swiss, what's your thoughts on the deal Smoke and I made? I know you said it would be interesting to see what became of our discussions.

I like Smoke's style a lot. It may not always be the direction I would have taken, but he always builds a team with a plan and finds a way to find players that compliment each other throughout the roster. With that said...if I were consulting with him before he decided to pull a trigger, I would have told him NO WAY you make that trade.

He basically traded a young Camby for the old Camby, and took on Charlie V's putrid contract for an 8th rounder. Not to mention he handed over Shawn Marion in the process. Was it worth it for an 8th rounder? I don't think so...sorry Smoke.

newera...obviously I LOVED the deal for your side, but I'd like to see you take a different direction with your roster. There is ONE guy in you Starting Lineup that doesn't fit in with the rest, and if you replace him with a guy that can spread the floor...you'll have the makings for a quality uptempo team.

Maybe SSOL?

Thanks bruh.

I've always wanted Noah in BAT. His kind is VERY rare in the league today.

I'm guessing the one guy you're speaking of is Queensbridge. Well, I actually think he fits in perfectly. I like the SSOL idea, and I think it fits my team well. However, I do think that there should be a balance of offense, and defense in such a system for it to really work. Not just a bunch of shooters. Having Artest in there gives us a guy to help put a stop to the LeBrons, and Kobe's out there. He's a decent spot up shooter also. I do see where you're coming from though,and there's a guy out there I plan on bringing in off the bench that will fill that gap. Thanks.

[swisscheeseD]

Thanks bruh.

I've always wanted Noah in BAT. His kind is VERY rare in the league today.

I'm guessing the one guy you're speaking of is Queensbridge. Well, I actually think he fits in perfectly. I like the SSOL idea, and I think it fits my team well. However, I do think that there should be a balance of offense, and defense in such a system for it to really work. Not just a bunch of shooters. Having Artest in there gives us a guy to help put a stop to the LeBrons, and Kobe's out there. He's a decent spot up shooter also. I do see where you're coming from though,and there's a guy out there I plan on bringing in off the bench that will fill that gap. Thanks.

I agree that SSOL is not just based on a bunch of shooters, this isn't the "chuck and duck"...there's much more to it then that. But I don't agree that if you decided to go the uptempo route, Artest is a "perfect" fit.

Artest doesn't always make the proper decision with the ball offensively, nor does he make those decisions quickly. He's a ball stopper and makes you scratch your head with his shot selection. He is what he is though. With all the times you kick yourself on O, the more he makes back defensively.

If you decide to go uptempo (which the rest of your roster suggests), I'd see what kind of value you can get for Ron-Ron. If you can get that value and find the correct fit with your personnel...I'd pull the trigger.

But if you decide to keep Ron Artest, I'd find a way to make the roster compliment some sort of halfcourt offense. Getting a post-player would be your #1 priority.

[NewEra]

Thanks bruh.

I've always wanted Noah in BAT. His kind is VERY rare in the league today.

I'm guessing the one guy you're speaking of is Queensbridge. Well, I actually think he fits in perfectly. I like the SSOL idea, and I think it fits my team well. However, I do think that there should be a balance of offense, and defense in such a system for it to really work. Not just a bunch of shooters. Having Artest in there gives us a guy to help put a stop to the LeBrons, and Kobe's out there. He's a decent spot up shooter also. I do see where you're coming from though,and there's a guy out there I plan on bringing in off the bench that will fill that gap. Thanks.

I agree that SSOL is not just based on a bunch of shooters, this isn't the "chuck and duck"...there's much more to it then that. But I don't agree that if you decided to go the uptempo route, Artest is a "perfect" fit.

Artest doesn't always make the proper decision with the ball offensively, nor does he make those decisions quickly. He's a ball stopper and makes you scratch your head with his shot selection. He is what he is though. With all the times you kick yourself on O, the more he makes back defensively.

If you decide to go uptempo (which the rest of your roster suggests), I'd see what kind of value you can get for Ron-Ron. If you can get that value and find the correct fit with your personnel...I'd pull the trigger.

But if you decide to keep Ron Artest, I'd find a way to make the roster compliment some sort of halfcourt offense. Getting a post-player would be your #1 priority.

Thanks man. I appreciate your comments.

I like the way you build, and so I trust your judgment. (sometimes)

[swisscheeseD]

Thanks man. I appreciate your comments.

I like the way you build, and so I trust your judgment. (sometimes)

[I am Ra]

You certainly did a bang up job wheeling and dealing the minute you took over as GM, putting together a collection of some quality young talent. But I'm not sold that a team that resembles that of a Rookie/Sophomore challenge roster, with no proven leadership, nor a "go to" guy...is looked at as a playoff team, especially considering you speaking of hiring an "Assistant" coach or a non-NBA head coach to lead them.

Yes you put together a nice collection of talent, and you have a good eye for that talent as well as a keen sense of when to net that type of player at what time...BUT...I just can't see a team built like this having success in the league. Maybe it's just me, but there are so many elements to a build...and you beat the horse with one of them.

This is 4.0 and we still haven't got this right yet. I know you can't please everybody, but its up to those individuals to step up their game and make this as realistic as possible. Waiting til the 13th round to select the leader of your "playoff" team is basically making a mockery of the fact that we introduced coaches into the player pool itself. If nobody was going to take it seriously, then why bother? It would be one thing I guess if you limited the coach availability to only the 30 that coach in the game today, but instead we decided..."hire whoever the heck you want".

I guess I really can't blame anyone for not concerning themselves with the believability of the competition, but this is REALGM...and this BAT gives us the closest thing possible to being that.

I think my team is playoff bound based on a few things.

1. Our post up game. I have the biggest team in the West. We can back you down and I surrounded them with shooters. This is not the same west as it was. Its much smaller and my team can take advantage.

2. Our defense. I havent looked at the other team but we have to be one of the top defense teams in the league. 3 of my guys in my starting lineup are GREAT defensively. One(DeRozan) is above average and the other is average(Cousins). I also sorrounded them with great defensive players off the bench(Blair, Jerebko, Thabeet)

3. Variety of scoring. We have a variety of scorers. We have slashers(Casspi, Batum, DeRozan, etc), we have three point shooters(Casspi, Batum, Holiday, Roddy B.), we have the post up as mentioned, mid range, etc.

4. We have depth. We have a 10 man rotation but 12 rotation players. That is a good problem and will help when the season starts.

Lastly on the coaching matter, I have thought about this coach since my Jrue Holiday pick. He may be currently out of the NBA or an assistant but he is a great teacher. I think he fits this team perfectly. So I have thought of the coach and even though I have solid backup options I chose to not pick a hall of fame coach and instead get a great player, who can help later.

[I am Ra]

Sidenote, with the way the draft has slowed down, I am SO glad that I got out of there until the 13th round.

[NewEra]

Thanks man. I appreciate your comments.

I like the way you build, and so I trust your judgment. (sometimes)

[swisscheeseD]

I think my team is playoff bound based on a few things.

1. Our post up game. I have the biggest team in the West. We can back you down and I surrounded them with shooters. This is not the same west as it was. Its much smaller and my team can take advantage.

2. Our defense. I havent looked at the other team but we have to be one of the top defense teams in the league. 3 of my guys in my starting lineup are GREAT defensively. One(DeRozan) is above average and the other is average(Cousins). I also sorrounded them with great defensive players off the bench(Blair, Jerebko, Thabeet)

3. Variety of scoring. We have a variety of scorers. We have slashers(Casspi, Batum, DeRozan, etc), we have three point shooters(Casspi, Batum, Holiday, Roddy B.), we have the post up as mentioned, mid range, etc.

4. We have depth. We have a 10 man rotation but 12 rotation players. That is a good problem and will help when the season starts.

Lastly on the coaching matter, I have thought about this coach since my Jrue Holiday pick. He may be currently out of the NBA or an assistant but he is a great teacher. I think he fits this team perfectly. So I have thought of the coach and even though I have solid backup options I chose to not pick a hall of fame coach and instead get a great player, who can help later.

I don't think you get where I'm coming from.

There's no questioning you have the talent on your team, but the mix is just wrong. It's not even that they don't compliment each others game, but the roster as is lacks leadership/chemistry/and a true "go to" guy down the stretch. Add that up to you saying that your targeting a coach who is more of a teacher...and it sounds to me that this is simply a rebuilding team. And we all know where rebuilding teams end up, the lottery. (OKC aside-though it took them a few years)

I think you did an awesome job collecting that talent, don't get me wrong. I was in awe with how many deals you were able to get done in such a short amount of time. I had been trying to trade up since the 2nd round (lol). I just don't see how a roster that talented (yet unproven) will mesh together, especially with such a big rotation.

[Smoke24]

Hey Swiss, what's your thoughts on the deal Smoke and I made? I know you said it would be interesting to see what became of our discussions.

I like Smoke's style a lot. It may not always be the direction I would have taken, but he always builds a team with a plan and finds a way to find players that compliment each other throughout the roster. With that said...if I were consulting with him before he decided to pull a trigger, I would have told him NO WAY you make that trade.

He basically traded a young Camby for the old Camby, and took on Charlie V's putrid contract for an 8th rounder. Not to mention he handed over Shawn Marion in the process. Was it worth it for an 8th rounder? I don't think so...sorry Smoke.

newera...obviously I LOVED the deal for your side, but I'd like to see you take a different direction with your roster. There is ONE guy in you Starting Lineup that doesn't fit in with the rest, and if you replace him with a guy that can spread the floor...you'll have the makings for a quality uptempo team.

Maybe SSOL?

Maybe I do need a consultant. I am fighting with myself over these decisions. I take a personal liking to Camby because he is more offensive prone than Noah and even though Marion is a good athlete, he lost a step or two. Charlie V just needs a system where he can succeed and I believe I can help him out. Plus Playoff experience is important to me, plus Camby's from where I from. But I really didn't lose anything with the trade, but I gained leadership and veteran savvyness.

Plus no one wants Josh Howard from some odd reason.