Melo

[fnasser]

This is inevitable so lets have our fun

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=29g49zw

Throw in New Yorks picks to Denver

I think this trade would help all three teams
Why?

Wouldnt have to explain why houston would do it.

Denver: get it all. a star (not superstar but martin is pretty legit) expirings (prince being someone who can also play) young prospects and new yorks picks

Detroit: clear their logjam and get rid of hamiltons contract and address their big man needs with Nene, who also has one less year than Hamilton

[fnasser]

its a dream but I would love that team

Brooks / Lowry
RIP / Lee
Melo / Budinger
Scola / Hayes
Yao / Miller

Each of our bench players would provide something that their starter wouldnt, except for bud but theres not much melo doesnt do anyway

[moofs]

Guuaaaaaaaaaah!!

[Piston Boris]

Wow.

I actually kinda like this trade. Good job.

Battier would be a great replacement for Prince, though he's not the facilitator and scorer that Prince is.

A stumbling block I see, though, is Denver trading their starting center away. I doubt they'd be happy to have just the Birdman and Shelden Williams holding down the fort at the 3 spot.

I won't complain about this deal, though.

[Spider156]

I like this trade alot. The Pistons would give Wilcox to the Nuggets for a center since they can't have any more players.

The Houston Rockets would be the best team out there if Yao is healthy. They would have a championship team. Yes better than Miami.

[thetennisyao]

first of all, melo must agree to sign the extension with us.

[rocketsballin]

would be a blockbuster power shift deal for houston. although melo definitely has to stay at least 3 more years for me to be on board with this, and i hate losing shane and ariza to turn this team into a contender. lose a lotta 3pt shooting too, but brooks can take care of that.

to finish this roster all that needs to do is sign some extra players and get sign extend melo's contract. already have smith for 3rd pg.

unless hill or patterson have a breakout season, denver definitely will be fighting for a playoff spot instead of being playoff locks. detroit does well tho, but not better than us

[moofs]

Ok, since I can talk now...

- I can see trading away our PF depth, to a degree. However, after doing so, an injury at PF would decimate us.
- Richard Hamilton just sucks now and is signed for 2 more years after this one at an increasing salary, so I won't go over that. He's definitely not an upgrade over Kevin Martin in any way, not that Martin's that great either.

(I'm going to get laughed at for this I'm sure)
- Anthony takes a lot of shots at average efficiency - so you don't really gain anything from him shooting more other than highlights. Battier, if he can get his shooting efficiencies back to at least 43/40, is also average, he just doesn't take the volume of shots, and can't create his own shots very... elegantly. Last season's shooting averages were likely due in part to this.
- Carmelo's defense has improved, but has historically been pretty lackluster. I have a hunch that Battier can lose a bit more athleticism before he stops being able to jump high enough to face guard everyone.
- Carmelo does rebound about 20% better than Battier.
- He also turns the ball over 3 times as much, blocks about 1/3 as many shots, and fouls 20% more often.
- While Anthony gets about 50% more assists, he also has the ball in his hand a LOT more. Battier gets his assists when he gives the ball up as one of its alternative endpoint destinations. Past that, a lot of his 'assists' come from quickly swinging the ball to the top of the key, followed by a second pass (similar to Aaron Brooks, who according to Morey 'Finds the man who finds the open shooter' [sic]).

The main piece of this trade is that we get Anthony. While he IS better than Battier, especially at this point as Battier may have dropped off some and may drop off more, Anthony overall is not THAT much better than Shane. Both of them are slightly above average, but Battier costs 40% of what Anthony does, providing greater reward per cost.

[Piston Boris]

- Richard Hamilton just sucks now and is signed for 2 more years after this one at an increasing salary, so I won't go over that. He's definitely not an upgrade over Kevin Martin in any way, not that Martin's that great either.

It's a common misconception on the street that Hamilton "sucks."

He missed 30+ games last year to a severely sprained ankle and other assorted injuries. When he recovered from the ankle, he averaged 30 points in February 2010.

He's not in full blown decline.

Unfortunately, he doesn't fit into the Pistons future plans.

The next team that gets him, though, will be taking on a Reggie Miller-type who'll be productive till he retires.

[moofs]

Ok ok ok, he sucked last year, but was only average the year before that, and was only slightly above average before that. He may also do better on a team with more talent or as a backup, but his contract size gets in the way of either option. He's also 32 and was never really a pure long distance shooter like Miller.

p.s. I still don't get why you guys are so high on a guy whose best shooting percentages have been 43/29 - since it's in your sig.

[MaxRider]

guess i'm the only one against this

[dropshot001]

i like that trade

[fnasser]

i dont see nene as a stumbling block simply because i think if denver makes this trade they will begin rebuilding without sucking

the only big contracts they have on the books would be chauncey and martin, and chaunceys contract has a team option.. they could be well under the cap without nene. they still have kenyon and prince comin off the books. nene would have had another year on his contract and it gives them a chance to start developing hill and patterson to see if either of them would be a fit. and they have the knicks picks, which i still believe has potential to be lottery

for the guy claiming losing battier for melo may cause problems i wont even get into that

and yea hamilton isnt as good as martin but small price to pay to get melo

i do believe every team benefits from this , its just a matter of whether denver can benefit more from another trade.

this is where you guys will disagree with me, i would do this trade even if melo doesnt guarentee to sign extension before . we're not gutting out team, the picks and hill and patterson and taylor are all assets that we didnt use for the most part last year and did ok without em. we're mainly giving up martin and battier . id hate to see battier go but it is for sure for a championship contention this year . huge risk i know ... but i would personally do it if its done before the season starts and take the risk. i wouldnt do it if we had to give up our core with brooks or scola or yao , and as for martin atleast we get hamilton so yea maybe its a bit of a downgrade in that position but its definitely not a hole and courtney lee could up his minutes

[moofs]

for the guy claiming losing battier for melo may cause problems i wont even get into that

I understand that my account name is pretty hard to spell, but you could at least attempt it.

I also didn't say it'd cause problems. I said Battier is 40% of Anthony's cost, and not a dramatic downgrade unless you only look at raw scoring output (ppg, ppm, fgm, and fga, to be blunt). That strikes me as a bad tradeoff.

"the guy".

[rocketsballin]

the guy is two characters more than moofs name. takes longer to type thus higher chance of carpool tunnel

[Piston Boris]

Ok ok ok, he sucked last year, but was only average the year before that, and was only slightly above average before that. He may also do better on a team with more talent or as a backup, but his contract size gets in the way of either option. He's also 32 and was never really a pure long distance shooter like Miller.

p.s. I still don't get why you guys are so high on a guy whose best shooting percentages have been 43/29 - since it's in your sig.

His contract is 12.5 million per year for three years. But his third year is only partially guaranteed by a third, I believe. It's a bargain compared to Turkoglu, Richard Jefferson's old contract, Vince Carter, Rudy Gay, Joe Johnson, etc.

I'm not saying Hamilton's in the tier of Kobe and Brandon Roy.

He's a consistent mid-range shooter, who can help put a team that's one or two pieces away from being a contender over the hump.

If you're talking about my signature, I'm not holding onto the past so much as embracing the future. Hamilton wanted to retire as a Piston, but it doesn't look like it's in the cards.

[fnasser]

haha moofs i actually was just already on the page where i am posting my response and didnt want to have to click back to see who it was

no hate homie.

by the way this thread welcomed other trade ideas so anyone feel free to go to the trade machine and come up with something

i just read orlando is on top of his wish list so if someone can come up with a scenario where melo goes to magic and we get rashard lewis in a three way deal please go for it (keep in mind it has to make sense for denver tooo)

EDIT: keep in mind carter is an expiring . it says 2 years on espn trade machine but its a team option

[moofs]

His contract is 12.5 million per year for three years. But his third year is only partially guaranteed by a third, I believe. It's a bargain compared to Turkoglu, Richard Jefferson's old contract, Vince Carter, Rudy Gay, Joe Johnson, etc.

Do you really want to try and justify his contract by comparing it to 5 of the worst conceivable contracts in the NBA?

p.s. I still don't get why you guys are so high on a guy whose best shooting percentages have been 43/29 - since it's in your sig.

If you're talking about my signature, I'm not holding onto the past so much as embracing the future. Hamilton wanted to retire as a Piston, but it doesn't look like it's in the cards.

I was referring to Stuckey. How is he "the future" when he doesn't seem to be any good?
Pretty sure that only Detroit.....ians? consider him to be a viable building block.

I'm not saying Hamilton's in the tier of Kobe and Brandon Roy.
He's a consistent mid-range shooter, who can help put a team that's one or two pieces away from being a contender over the hump.

Definitely not at his salary, unless the team is contending with either all rookies or a 120M payroll.

Skillwise, If he recovers to his pre2009/10 levels of production, he's slightly above average. If not, I'd much rather have, say, Jamario Moon. (Mike Brown benching him last year was beyond stupid)

[moofs]

It's all good, I was just givin' ya crap.
For other trade ideas, see above.

I'd lick a public sidewalk to get Jamario Moon.
3 Million per year. Languishing on the bench in Cleveland last year. And the dude can ball.

Unfortunately with that burninated jersey guy having just left, they need a small forward.

Poop.

[Piston Boris]

Do you really want to try and justify his contract by comparing it to 5 of the worst conceivable contracts in the NBA?

Those contracts are out on the market.

I was referring to Stuckey. How is he "the future" when he doesn't seem to be any good?
Pretty sure that only Detroit.....ians? consider him to be a viable building block.

His play has improved incrementally each season. He's a better player than Billups was at the same point in his career. Detroit is looking to see him take another step forward this season.

Definitely not at his salary, unless the team is contending with either all rookies or a 120M payroll.

Skillwise, If he recovers to his pre2009/10 levels of production, he's slightly above average. If not, I'd much rather have, say, Jamario Moon. (Mike Brown benching him last year was beyond stupid)

I'm sure Cleveland would be glad to make a deal with you for Jamario Moon.

Hamilton could've put up bigger numbers over the years, but Detroit didn't design its offense to be a high scoring one.