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Feigen Blog on Ariza Trade 

Post#1 » by moofs » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:11 pm

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I hadn't made the correlation with how similar the Ariza deal was to the Alston deal. Iiiinteresting.

As far as the trade, I went through some of the similarities with the Rafer Alston-Kyle Lowry deal last week, but left one out.

It was bizarre that season the way Rafer had gone from reviled to cherished the day he was traded. The guy was ripped locally through much of his tenure, until the day he was traded. Then he was described as a guy the Rockets could not live without.

Though not to the same degree, Ariza has received similar treatment. For one season, we kept hearing about all he did not do well. Then he was traded and was described as indispensable.


In a lot of ways, Ariza is a more exciting player than Lee (despite Lee's youTube dunks on LeBron James.) Ariza is more likely to jump in a passing lane and create a fast break with a steal of deflection. But Lee is a proud defensive player, better on the ball against quickness. He is more likely to limit off-the-dribble penetration, and he gives the Rockets that emergency combo guard they lacked last season.

Ariza is better suited to defend against size. He might be more likely to produce the occasional game-changing performance.

Ariza should flourish with Chris Paul. He runs the floor well and Paul creates openings all around him. Paul also dominates the ball, which is not always a good thing but will help Ariza, if only to keep Ariza from his tendency to over-dribble.

Ariza generally played up to his contract last season, once he stopped letting the frustration of his early-season offensive struggles impact the rest of his game. He should be a solid, mid-level guy with the Hornets, too.

The Pacers would seem to have made out best in the deal, getting a young point guard on a rookie contract who even fits their style. They had made no secret of their urgent desire to get a point guard and got what they needed.

The Nets should have done better with all that cap room than a season with Troy Murphy before trying to go into the free agent market again.

The Rockets might not have gotten a player better than the one they traded. In time, he might be. But under their circumstances, they might have made themselves a better team.

Before leaving the trade entirely, a couple things should be cleared up just a bit.

The Rockets never said that they needed Trevor Ariza to reach some other level to be happy with him and the deal. They could give him the opportunity to expand his game and that opportunity was a primary reason he signed with them, but Daryl Morey said many, many times that the he would consider the deal a good move if Ariza played as he did for the Lakers.


For the Rockets, Lee is a fine fit. That they chased him for more than two years does not mean they would have taken him in the top 10 of that draft or would have offered the same sort of deal they would to get Carmelo Anthony.
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Re: Feigen Blog on Ariza Trade 

Post#2 » by Optimism Prime » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:25 pm

Absolutely agreed. A humble, defensive-oriented two guard who can play spot minutes at the 1 or 3 when needed fits this team much more than an entitled SF who tried to do too much (even if that was at the insistence of the management/coaching staff).
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Post#3 » by rocketsballin » Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:40 pm

i dont get wats everyone's beef w/ ariza "doing too much". there shouldnt be anything wrong w/ that. he had to ballhog until we got martin, after we got martin he did the role he was sposed to do and did it well. he was taking 5-10shots a game after that tmac trade. maybe if scola could do 20/10 ariza would of took less shots. coulda been like the pistons where we'd have more than 3 guys who can score 20pts when needed

i wouldnt mind keeping ariza but the trade is growing on me. lee is more fit for this team since we have shane and martin/brooks at guards.
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Post#4 » by Kal El » Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:57 pm

i had high hopes for ariza in the beginning of the season and at the end of the season was looking forward to seeing his development the next season. but over the course of the off season, personally when i look back, i thought ariza was dispensable. it's not his offense, his low percentages will go up in a decreased role in offense. honestly it was his defense. yeah he was like 6th in the league in steals, that's because he gambles all the damn time. he is not top man man defender like battier, he is above average but i thought being around battier, he would learn under him but it didn't look like much of that was going on.

he had 4 years left in his contract roughly around $29 mil (i think), and im glad we got out of that contract. i wish the best for him but as much as i was pushing for him during the season, it just wasn't a good fit.
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Post#5 » by MaxRider » Fri Aug 20, 2010 8:58 pm

roxfashoballin wrote:i dont get wats everyone's beef w/ ariza "doing too much". there shouldnt be anything wrong w/ that. he had to ballhog until we got martin, after we got martin he did the role he was sposed to do and did it well. he was taking 5-10shots a game after that tmac trade. maybe if scola could do 20/10 ariza would of took less shots. coulda been like the pistons where we'd have more than 3 guys who can score 20pts when needed

i wouldnt mind keeping ariza but the trade is growing on me. lee is more fit for this team since we have shane and martin/brooks at guards.

i have no idea what morey is thinking
i have no comment on ariza for lee trade
i don't really like ariza and i don't know much about lee
i'm still hoping we get granger (which is not going to happen)
i don't want melo
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Post#6 » by rocketsballin » Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:20 pm

getting out of ariza's contract will defintely help us, prolly resign brooks w/ that money. ariza had to do a lotta things out of his comfort zone, since there was nobody to PROTECT THE PAINT, he had to gamble a lot on defense, and it paid off. there's no way anyone can be an elite man to man defender w/o someone to man the paint. prince had wallace's, kobe had shaq/gasol/bynum, celtics have kg and perkins.

both shane and ariza defense werent that great last season, that was to be expected w/ no yao ming, and a starting lineup of hayes and scola at the 4/5. shane's last 2 seasons were injury prone and wasnt an elite defender for the most part, so we dont know if he's still an elite defender (tho im hoping he has at least one more year of elite defense in him, of corse w/ a healthy rockets and yao).

ariza was also getting better year by year. he wasnt gonna go 20/5/5 if he stayed w/ us this year, but defintely would be a more effective player. and of corse w/ a healthy team he get better at his role year by year. in time he could be a top 10 defender, even if he doesnt he'll still be above average. there isnt anything he cant do, him and mike miller are similar players i think, they're both kinda like utility players.

i understand why yall dont want ariza but most of dont want him for the wrong reasons.
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Post#7 » by rocketsballin » Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:39 pm

its like everyone is being stubborn about ariza last season. i coulda sworn everyone knew before the season started that ariza was gonna struggle the entire season. now everyone's saying he shouldnt of took all those shots? lol cmon man, thats just stupid

im defending ariza a lot here but it's so **** wierd how you guys are saying **** like "he's a ballhog, his defense is average, takes too many 3s, etc" wat did u expect seriously? an efficient 20/5/5 player? his first year taking on a role he cant do, and he's a near 20/5/5 w/ stls and 3s, hell he even blocked a few shots here and there.

w/ a healthy rockets team, he definitely wouldnt be jacking up shots in crunch time, he does than yao chokeslams him lol
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Post#8 » by TMU » Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:40 pm

I don't know what happened between Ariza and Brooks, but if those rumors are true then character issues alone should be legitimate reasons why Ariza shouldn't be on this team.
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Post#9 » by rocketsballin » Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:49 pm

sure he's a "thug" type of player, but doesnt every team need at least one of those? i wouldnt call them thugs tho. someone who'd get in the other teams face, wont back down, fierce competitor, wont get pushed around or w/e. we got brad so we're good on that. if ariza had issues w/ brooks and would of hindered his effectiveness then o well trade him. but if there was nothing between him and brooks then he shouldnt be traded cuz he'd get in someone else's face
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Post#10 » by Sasaki » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:19 pm

roxfashoballin wrote:sure he's a "thug" type of player, but doesnt every team need at least one of those? i wouldnt call them thugs tho. someone who'd get in the other teams face, wont back down, fierce competitor, wont get pushed around or w/e. we got brad so we're good on that. if ariza had issues w/ brooks and would of hindered his effectiveness then o well trade him. but if there was nothing between him and brooks then he shouldnt be traded cuz he'd get in someone else's face

He could have done that against Derozan instead of that cheap shot.
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Post#11 » by rocketsballin » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:42 pm

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Post#12 » by Guy986 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:51 pm

I didn't like the Ariza signing at first but i thought he played pretty well for us. :dontknow:
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Post#13 » by zapatasblood » Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:45 am

I liked the Ariza sign and like what we got for him in Lee. Maybe Ariza was overpaid but that is an epidemic in the NBA.
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Post#14 » by zapatasblood » Sat Aug 21, 2010 12:50 am

T-Mac United wrote:I don't know what happened between Ariza and Brooks, but if those rumors are true then character issues alone should be legitimate reasons why Ariza shouldn't be on this team.

We would being saying that if Ariza was the better player and Brooks was traded. Ariza has always had character issues and a bit of a hot head. That is one of the reasons why he has played for five different teams his six years.
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Post#15 » by Aaron Brooks » Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:43 am

Ariza is a 3rd-4th option on a MLE contract, thats not overpaid
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Post#16 » by KiDdFrESh » Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:15 am

I'm sure its not a coincidence that Ariza seems to be on a new team every year. I liked the signing last season. I knew he would struggle with a bigger role on offense and no one to create for him. He isn't playmaker or a go-to guy. The Rockets took a trial on him. It didn't work so they weren't for a cheaper option and a better fit.

Besides, having Battier AND Ariza is redudant. We cleared money that could be used to re-sign AB should we decide to keep him.

Soon, people will love this trade.
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Post#17 » by TMACFORMVP » Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:32 am

T-Mac United wrote:I don't know what happened between Ariza and Brooks, but if those rumors are true then character issues alone should be legitimate reasons why Ariza shouldn't be on this team.


+1

It's a smart trade in general. We don't really downgrade, since we still have Battier and Budinger at the 3, Lee provides some of the same intangibles with a more consistent shooting stroke. All while saving considerable money, not having to pay as much in the lux, and getting a TPE which could be valuable. Then if those reports are true about chemistry issues, definitely a decent trade.

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