Hollinger/Broussard Team Rankings: Bucks 13th

speedingtime · Post #21 » by **speedingtime** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:29 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
speedingtime wrote:LUKE, you're forgetting that the Raps have Amir Johnson

Calderon/DeRozan/Kleiza/Amir/Bargnani

Why do they even have to play the playoffs? That lineup is basically a shoe in for the title. :lol:

Post #22 » by **blkout** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:30 pm

Amir is a notorious rebound thief. The Raptors would do well to get rid of him.

drew881 · Post #23 » by **drew881** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:33 pm

Not sure if the Cavs are in awful position. They should be able to trade Anthony Parker and Varejoa for draft picks to a playoff team, making their team worse, and getting something for them. Jamison will be a killer, but maybe they can find someone to take him. That leaves them with Mo, Sessions, Hickson and Gibson as players they probably will keep. They have the two future late first round draft picks from the Heat.

I suppose the Dan Gilbert rant didn't help anyone potentially signing with them. Things could be worse though: the big dead weight contracts of Z and Shaq aren't there. Delonte West and his problems are gone. The team will be awful, but I don't think it is nearly as dysfunctional as a team like the Knicks, who may have better players and coaches, but are one step away from hiring Isaiah Thomas who can do long term damage, or a team like the Pistons, with those awful contracts.

rilamann · Post #24 » by **rilamann** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:13 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
EastSideBucksFan wrote:It still amazes me how truly bad the Pistons are once they dumped Billups and signed BG & CV

I think the Pistons have one of the worst futures in the league, even though I really like Greg Monroe. Their players are either soft, overpaid, one-dimensional, or all three.

The Pistons have basically become a carbon copy of the ''pre-Hammond'' Bucks.

And the Bucks are in the process of trying to do their best impression of the 2002-2008 Pistons

Isn't that ironic.

El Duderino · Post #25 » by **El Duderino** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:45 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
speedingtime wrote:LUKE, you're forgetting that the Raps have Amir Johnson

Calderon/DeRozan/Kleiza/Amir/Bargnani

I thought the Craptors traded Calderon to the Bobcats?

El Duderino · Post #26 » by **El Duderino** » Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:55 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:It still amazes me how truly bad the Pistons are once they dumped Billups and signed BG & CV

I didn't like the Gordon signing for them, but he does have the ability IMO to still be a quality contributor for a really good team, just an overpaid contributor so it's possible that Dumars at some point will be able to trade Gordon. Villanueva though was just an utterly inexcusable signing at that length and dollar amount and the Pistons are likely stuck with that contract for multiple seasons at the very least and probably all four seasons. I didn't think CV would be able to even get an MLE level contract last offseason, much less more than the MLE. It's still baffling to me.

pasting_monkeys · Post #27 » by **pasting_monkeys** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:11 am

JoeHova wrote:Don't forget that the Cavs and Craptors have trade exceptions from losing LeBron and Bosh. That gives both of those franchises financial flexibility as well. It's not a given that they'll be able to use them competently but it's possible that either or both of them could make some nice moves with their TPEs.

Cavs and Raptors don't have trade exceptions from LeBron and Bosh, because they didn't trade them away, they were lost through free agency so the Cavs and Raps got nothing back.

Post #28 » by **blkout** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:22 am

El Duderino wrote:
LUKE23 wrote:
speedingtime wrote:LUKE, you're forgetting that the Raps have Amir Johnson

Calderon/DeRozan/Kleiza/Amir/Bargnani

I thought the Craptors traded Calderon to the Bobcats?

They tried to, Jordan pulled out at the last minute.

Post #29 » by **rrravenred** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:57 am

BLKOUT wrote:Amir is a notorious rebound thief. The Raptors would do well to get rid of him.

He's singlehandedly preventing Bargs from being the next Rodman.

JoeHova · Post #30 » by **JoeHova** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:55 am

pasting_monkeys wrote:Cavs and Raptors don't have trade exceptions from LeBron and Bosh, because they didn't trade them away, they were lost through free agency so the Cavs and Raps got nothing back.

Yes, they do have trade exceptions. LeBron and Bosh were both sign-and-traded to Miami. Miami had the cap space to sign both of them outright so they didn't have to send any players back, which means that the Cavs and Craptors both got trade exceptions equal to the first year salary that LeBron and Bosh got from Miami. Miami did sign-and-trades (they gave up picks) for LeBron and Bosh so they could give them each a 6th year and 10% yearly raises (instead of the 8% they would have been limited to if they were signed outright).

trwi7 · Post #31 » by **trwi7** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:10 am

BLKOUT wrote:They tried to, Jordan pulled out at the last minute.

Does he have any illegitimate children I can use as a joke?

jerrod · Post #32 » by **jerrod** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:07 am

BLKOUT wrote:
They tried to, Jordan pulled out at the last minute.

good advice for us all

Dobber-16 · Post #33 » by **Dobber-16** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:52 am

speedingtime wrote:LUKE, you're forgetting that the Raps have Amir Johnson

Dobber-16 · Post #34 » by **Dobber-16** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:54 am

ZedgetRedd wrote:
speedingtime wrote:LUKE, you're forgetting that the Raps have Amir Johnson

and Sonny Weems.

Ayt · Post #35 » by **Ayt** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:46 am

rrravenred wrote:
BLKOUT wrote:Amir is a notorious rebound thief. The Raptors would do well to get rid of him.

He's singlehandedly preventing Bargs from being the next Rodman.

What a **** ****. I'm glad we traded him when we could. Stealing rebounds is just a huge slap in the face to the rest of the team, IMO. Bargs is going to get screwed playing next to him for the next several years. He's easily a 20-12 guy as a primary option without people stealing boards from him, IMO. Poor Barg... :rofl:

Bogut would probably only average 7 or so boards a night with Amir playing next to him the 25 minutes he can before fouling out.

I really empathize with the great Jordan and Pippen having to play with that board thief Rodman for so many years. What a burden that must have been. Poor guys.

LUKE23 · Post #36 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:34 pm

13. Milwaukee Bucks

The More Things Change: Reigning NBA Executive of the Year John Hammond was at it again this summer, making moves for the surprising Bucks that should leave them just a tier below the elite. Trading for Corey Maggette was the big move, and while Maggette has only made the playoffs once in his 11-year career, he is a big-time scorer who gets to the foul line as well as anyone in the league. The Bucks were 29th out of 30 teams in free throws attempted last season, and Maggette can cure that deficiency all by himself. If he buys into Coach Scott Skiles' hardcore defensive philosophy -- bottom line, he won't have much choice -- the Bucks could surpass Atlanta and maybe (maybe!) challenge Chicago or Boston for the third seed. Drew Gooden adds toughness and is an upgrade over the power-forward-by-committee system the club employed last season.

The More They Stay the Same: The last image we saw of Andrew Bogut was a harrowing one, with the 7-footer writhing on the floor in pain after suffering a gruesome elbow injury. Bogut's rehabbing now, but missing the start of the season is not out of the question. Beyond that, the Bucks are hoping that when he returns he comes back as the All-Star-caliber player he was last season (15.9 ppg, 10.2 rpg and 2.5 blocks). Also, expect point guard Brandon Jennings to build on his excellent rookie season, mainly by improving his .371 field goal percentage. He thinks the added talent can enable him to average a double-double (points/assists). Re-signing John Salmons was huge. And on a sadder note, injury-plagued former All-Star Michael Redd, who's missed the better part of the last two seasons, is on the shelf again and not expected back until February.

I think 13th is about right for the Bucks. Good write up.

They list a starting stats per 40, I'll adjust them to 36 for ya:

Jennings: 17.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 6.2 apg (17.1/3.8/6.3 last year)
Salmons: 14.7 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.8 apg (15.4/3.3/2.8 last year)
Maggette: 22 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 3.0 apg (24.0/6.5/3.0 last year)
Gooden: 14.7 ppg, 10.6 rpg, 1.0 apg (15.7/11.1/1.0 last year)
Bogut: 17.5 ppg, 11 rpg, 2.4 apg (17.7/11.3/2.1 last year)

europa · Post #37 » by **europa** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:40 pm

Newz wrote:Billups for Iverson is still one of the worst trades in the history of the NBA. They traded a top 3-5 player at the PG position for an expiring cancer and nothing else. What an absolutely awful move by Detroit.

Then they compounded it by signing Gordon and Villanueva with the money they saved. That made an epic failure even more epic.

europa · Post #38 » by **europa** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:42 pm

El Duderino wrote:I thought the Craptors traded Calderon to the Bobcats?

Jordan nixed that trade.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #39 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:29 pm

what were those per40 stats? projections or something?

Newz · Post #40 » by **Newz** » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:31 pm

europa wrote:
Newz wrote:Billups for Iverson is still one of the worst trades in the history of the NBA. They traded a top 3-5 player at the PG position for an expiring cancer and nothing else. What an absolutely awful move by Detroit.

Then they compounded it by signing Gordon and Villanueva with the money they saved. That made an epic failure even more epic.

I remember when you and I were saying this was one of the worst trades in history when it was made... And everyone kept telling us to wait to see what they did with their cap room, then we would see the brilliance!

Woops.