John Wall Vs.

[juror1]

Does anyone else believe that John Wall easily has the potential to be the best point guard in the league in the next couple years?

He's as athletic as they come, his basketball IQ and general intelligence is better than most, he has a better midrange game coming into the league than guys like Rondo and Rose, and he's a great passer.

He's got it all. Looking at the next generation of point guards I would compare Wall in this way:
-The intelligence of Rondo
-The quickness of Rose
-The leadership/intensity of Chris Paul
-His passing game is the area he's on his own, he's not necessarily the best, but it's the area he can be like John Wall.

What do you think.

[Jvaughn]

I absolutely do not. I think the ESPN hype machine wants it to seem that way, but he has a lot of work to do. I believe he has all-star potential, but I don't see superstar in him.

Intelligence of Rondo- No, not many do

Quickness of Rose- No, he has nice speed, but he's not as quick or fast as Rose

Leadership of Paul-Absolutely not. Couldn't lead that super talented team to the win, and he hasn't played in the NBA yet, so that's way too premature

I want to see this guy be successful and efficient for at least one full season before we start trying to crown him already. He still has to pass CP3, D-Wil, Nash, Rose, Rondo, and Billups to get there, and that's a huge feat to overcome.

[X-Factor]

John Wall is arguably the most hyped PG to ever come into the NBA, but I don't see him living up to that hype at all. He'll never pass CP3's, D-Will's and D-Rose's peak potential IMO so no he'd never be the best in the game.

[Ron Harper]

He has not played a single game.

[Wharton Alum 08]

I can see it he's got a bunch of pieces that fit him especially if Gilbert is willing to defer. With Blatche and McGee, John Wall will put up some gaudy #'s early. And if SL is any indication Wall will get a lot of whistles this year. If he doesn't get those I can see him struggling in terms of FG% though. I just thinks he needs to slow down a little he's always going 100 mph but he'll learn to change gears.

[andrewww]

i havent seen wall play yet so i'll reserve judgment until then. but by all accounts, if he is a derrick rose clone or similar to him, i would say no (derrick rose imo is one of the most overrated players in the league).

[Wade2k6]

John Wall is arguably the most hyped PG to ever come into the NBA, but I don't see him living up to that hype at all. He'll never pass CP3's, D-Will's and D-Rose's peak potential IMO so no he'd never be the best in the game.

Why not? He has better length and equal athleticism as Rose. Callipari has said he was further along as a freshmen then both Rose and Evans, what makes you think his ceiling is any lower then Rose?

[Jvaughn]

John Wall is arguably the most hyped PG to ever come into the NBA, but I don't see him living up to that hype at all. He'll never pass CP3's, D-Will's and D-Rose's peak potential IMO so no he'd never be the best in the game.

Why not? He has better length and equal athleticism as Rose. Callipari has said he was further along as a freshmen then both Rose and Evans, what makes you think his ceiling is any lower then Rose?

This athleticism thing is getting old. There is nothing equal about Rose and Wall athletically. Rose is a better leaper, is faster, and has better handle on the ball. Wall is a good athlete, but outside of being fast, there's no comparison.

And why wouldn't Calipari say that? If Wall does well in the league, it just makes him look better. If Rose or Evans came out after Wall I guarantee he'd say the same thing about them.

[Jvaughn]

i havent seen wall play yet so i'll reserve judgment until then. but by all accounts, if he is a derrick rose clone or similar to him, i would say no (derrick rose imo is one of the most overrated players in the league).

Would be interested to see where you rank Rose in PG's and where he ranks overall in the league.

[cl24]

He's so overrated and I think he'll be sort of like Devin Harris. I don't see him being with Deron/CP3/Nash category.

[Wade2k6]

John Wall is arguably the most hyped PG to ever come into the NBA, but I don't see him living up to that hype at all. He'll never pass CP3's, D-Will's and D-Rose's peak potential IMO so no he'd never be the best in the game.

Why not? He has better length and equal athleticism as Rose. Callipari has said he was further along as a freshmen then both Rose and Evans, what makes you think his ceiling is any lower then Rose?

This athleticism thing is getting old. There is nothing equal about Rose and Wall athletically. Rose is a better leaper, is faster, and has better handle on the ball. Wall is a good athlete, but outside of being fast, there's no comparison.

And why wouldn't Calipari say that? If Wall does well in the league, it just makes him look better. If Rose or Evans came out after Wall I guarantee he'd say the same thing about them.

Rose
No step vert: 34.0
No step vert reach: 11 '1
Max vert: 40.0
Max vert reach: 11 ' 6.5
Agility: 11.69
Sprint: 3.05

Wall:
No step vert: 30.0
No step vert reach: 10 ' 11.75
Max vert: 39.0
Max vert reach: 11 ' 8.25
Agility: 10.84
Sprint: 3.14

The two most important leaping categories are max vertical reach and no step vertical reach. Wall has a slight advantage in max vertical reach and Rose has a slight advantage in no step vertical reach. Wall has a considerable advantage in the agility drill, while Rose has a slight advantage in the sprint. I wouldn't exactly say "their is nothing equal Rose and Wall athletically."

[Jvaughn]

Why not? He has better length and equal athleticism as Rose. Callipari has said he was further along as a freshmen then both Rose and Evans, what makes you think his ceiling is any lower then Rose?

This athleticism thing is getting old. There is nothing equal about Rose and Wall athletically. Rose is a better leaper, is faster, and has better handle on the ball. Wall is a good athlete, but outside of being fast, there's no comparison.

And why wouldn't Calipari say that? If Wall does well in the league, it just makes him look better. If Rose or Evans came out after Wall I guarantee he'd say the same thing about them.

Rose
No step vert: 34.0
No step vert reach: 11 '1
Max vert: 40.0
Max vert reach: 11 ' 6.5
Agility: 11.69
Sprint: 3.05

Wall:
No step vert: 30.0
No step vert reach: 10 ' 11.75
Max vert: 39.0
Max vert reach: 11 ' 8.25
Agility: 10.84
Sprint: 3.14

The two most important leaping categories are max vertical reach and no step vertical reach. Wall has a slight advantage in max vertical reach and Rose has a slight advantage in no step vertical reach. Wall has a considerable advantage in the agility drill, while Rose has a slight advantage in the sprint. I wouldn't exactly say "their is nothing equal Rose and Wall athletically."

No step vert: 33.5
No step vert reach: 10.8
Max vert: 42
Max vert reach: 11.45
Agility: 11.07
Sprint: 3.17

You know who that is? Jordan Farmar. Is he also on the athletic level of Rose. Performing well in combine drills and in the game athleticism are two different things. Rose is the better athlete and in a tier above Wall.

[Wade2k6]

Way to pick and choose players to try to validate your argument. Wall is on Rose's level athletically. They have similar leaping numbers (ones that actually matter, not max vertical that doesn't take into account length) and have similar sprint/agility numbers. To say Wall isn't on Rose' level athletically is flat-out wrong IMO.

[TAI8]

No. He sucks. I'm going to enjoy watching him fail.

[Wharton Alum 08]

Way to pick and choose players to try to validate your argument. Wall is on Rose's level athletically. They have similar leaping numbers (ones that actually matter, not max vertical that doesn't take into account length) and have similar sprint/agility numbers. To say Wall isn't on Rose' level athletically is flat-out wrong IMO.

They're very similar Wall is just so long he lacks Rose's strength at the moment. In the open floor Wall seems faster but in terms of leaping and body control from the eye test Rose looks more explosive.

[Jvaughn]

Way to pick and choose players to try to validate your argument. Wall is on Rose's level athletically. They have similar leaping numbers (ones that actually matter, not max vertical that doesn't take into account length) and have similar sprint/agility numbers. To say Wall isn't on Rose' level athletically is flat-out wrong IMO.

I used your argument to show that it had no validation. Rose is an athletic freak. Wall is an above average athlete. There is a difference.

[Wharton Alum 08]

Way to pick and choose players to try to validate your argument. Wall is on Rose's level athletically. They have similar leaping numbers (ones that actually matter, not max vertical that doesn't take into account length) and have similar sprint/agility numbers. To say Wall isn't on Rose' level athletically is flat-out wrong IMO.

I used your argument to show that it had no validation. Rose is an athletic freak. Wall is an above average athlete. There is a difference.

You're reaching Wall is an athletic freak as well. The hype that he has as a better athlete than Rose is incorrect though. I think this vid says it all.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCJHcBrl_aM[/youtube]

[Amare_1_Knicks]

Does anyone else believe that John Wall easily has the potential to be the best point guard in the league in the next couple years?

He's as athletic as they come, his basketball IQ and general intelligence is better than most, he has a better midrange game coming into the league than guys like Rondo and Rose, and he's a great passer.

He's got it all. Looking at the next generation of point guards I would compare Wall in this way:
-The intelligence of Rondo
-The quickness of Rose
-The leadership/intensity of Chris Paul
-His passing game is the area he's on his own, he's not necessarily the best, but it's the area he can be like John Wall.

What do you think.

He's not as intelligent as Rondo is. Not now at least. Rondo had the opportunity of playing with 3 of the NBA's best players at the same time as the starting point guard. It took time for him to develop to this level he's at now, and Wall isn't going to come out of college making plays like Rondo does now. Same for being a leader.

[Wade2k6]

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[Wade2k6]

Way to pick and choose players to try to validate your argument. Wall is on Rose's level athletically. They have similar leaping numbers (ones that actually matter, not max vertical that doesn't take into account length) and have similar sprint/agility numbers. To say Wall isn't on Rose' level athletically is flat-out wrong IMO.

I used your argument to show that it had no validation. Rose is an athletic freak. Wall is an above average athlete. There is a difference.

It didn't show anything though. I don't think max vertical jump is significant at all because it doesn't take into account a players length. The only category that Farmer beats either of these players in is agility where he beats Rose 11.07 to 11.69. His no step vertical reach is 3+ inches lower then Wall and Rose, and his maximum vertical reach 2 inches lower then Rose and 4 inches lower then Wall. If you can't tell the difference between Wall/Rose and Farmer athletically there is no point in continuing this argument.

To your 2nd point, Wall is an athletic freak as well. To say he's just "an above average athlete" is downplaying Walls athleticism, because Wall does have a slight advantage in some of the significant categories of the combine over Rose, just like Rose has a slight advantage in other significant categories of the combine over Wall.