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Re: [Build A Team 4.0] Discussion Thread Part 3 - I LOVE MY TEAM 

Post#1261 » by 2010 » Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:36 pm

newera wrote:
I am Ra wrote:
newera wrote:Yep...that's what I'm looking for. You'll never know unless you try


wait, now i am confused. youre both looking for big men no?


Guys could be so flaky around here...sometimes no one ever sticks to their plan. They say they're looking for one thing, but when you start talking trades they start making offers for an entirely different position :lol:

Glad I stuck to my plan so far.


This^

I feel you 100% here! The wild part is when they ask you about your BEST PLAYER yet only want to put their 2nd and 3rd tier guys on the table. Nah, I'm good. I'm interested in making trades not in getting one of these:

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Re: [Build A Team 4.0] Discussion Thread Part 3 - I LOVE MY TEAM 

Post#1262 » by I am Ra » Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:49 pm

newera wrote:
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newera wrote:Yep...that's what I'm looking for. You'll never know unless you try


wait, now i am confused. youre both looking for big men no?


Guys could be so flaky around here...sometimes no one ever sticks to their plan. They say they're looking for one thing, but when you start talking trades they start making offers for an entirely different position :lol:

Glad I stuck to my plan so far.


yeah. I only moved away from my plan when I could acquire a talent like Joe Johnson. Then I was all in in win mode. I think I did a good job of still keeping youth while drastically improving my team.
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Re: [Build A Team 4.0] Discussion Thread Part 3 - I LOVE MY TEAM 

Post#1263 » by TheBluest » Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:51 pm

That's why I refused to do trades for the most part after doing one with Gallosourfuture. Matter of fact he's probably the only GM I'll ever be able to trade with in these B.A.T.'s.....

Or you'll have those GMs who'll offer you a good trade and then vanish never to be heard from again until there's like major action going on.....

I'm still irate about the whole B.A.T. especially how things went down in the early going. The ideas I brought up around Mid Thread were only the beginning of things that need to change. If we do your idea of keeping a team for 2yrs it also allows better flexibility on trades(which the following year picks would be inclusive on deals). I never quite understood the even swap trade thing either, I would have been more encouraged by 2 for 3 deals or deals with the ability to acquire at most 1 additional assets of value across a trade.
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Re: [Build A Team 4.0] Discussion Thread Part 3 - I LOVE MY TEAM 

Post#1264 » by magnumt » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:02 pm

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Post#1265 » by Mecca » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:07 pm

Shorty doo whoop: Gerald Henderson and Hakim Warrick for Paul Millsap?
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Post#1266 » by Rich2Hassan » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:17 pm

The East has some good teams i know that.
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Re: [Build A Team 4.0] Discussion Thread Part 3 - I LOVE MY TEAM 

Post#1267 » by magnumt » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:21 pm

xKLNx Phenom wrote:Shorty doo whoop: Gerald Henderson and Hakim Warrick for Paul Millsap?


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Post#1268 » by I am Ra » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:26 pm

I am Ra wrote:Trading Matt Barnes(1.7 million this year, 1.9 million player option next) for either a completely unguaranteed contract or PG
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Re: [Build A Team 4.0] Discussion Thread Part 3 - I LOVE MY TEAM 

Post#1269 » by 2010 » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:26 pm

TheBluest wrote:That's why I refused to do trades for the most part after doing one with Gallosourfuture. Matter of fact he's probably the only GM I'll ever be able to trade with in these B.A.T.'s


I feel you here. The GM that I find being able to best negotiate with is I Am Ra and former GM SwissCheeseD. They are both fair and they keep the dialogue flowing with counter proposals if the initial offers need tweaking. Ra particularly did a helluva job retooling that roster after the previous GM butchered it and ran out of town.

Or you'll have those GMs who'll offer you a good trade and then vanish never to be heard from again until there's like major action going on.


Again, that's why it was a pleasure for me to deal with Ra and Swiss cuz they are responsive and keep the dialogue flowing.

I'm still irate about the whole B.A.T. especially how things went down in the early going. The ideas I brought up around Mid Thread were only the beginning of things that need to change. If we do your idea of keeping a team for 2yrs it also allows better flexibility on trades(which the following year picks would be inclusive on deals). I never quite understood the even swap trade thing either, I would have been more encouraged by 2 for 3 deals or deals with the ability to acquire at most 1 additional assets of value across a trade.


Agree with everything stated here. But the powers that be have doomed my keepers league idea to failure (without even being willing to give it a try). What would be the downside of giving it a shot? So what if there's heavy GM turnover. If anything I Am Ra has proven the job can be just as fun in inheriting a franchise and turning it around for the best. Kind of like what Donnie Walsh is doing after Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas. Then it was said that a 2yr league wouldn't be fair to GM's who want a shot but miss out on being awarded a team initially. But to that I say it was an outright contradiction as if it was previously stated that high-GM turnover was an issue then wouldn't others who initially miss out eventually be getting their fair shot??? *DUH* Then we got schitted on for the idea of a committee. I just want to let it be known I wasn't trying to step on toes or usurp anyone's authority by trying to talk of organizing a committee. I just think if the more active GMs contribute with a voice in the rule setting process and with who gets awarded a franchise it'll make things run smoother.
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Post#1270 » by I am Ra » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:53 pm

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Post#1271 » by TheBluest » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:55 pm

2010 wrote:
TheBluest wrote:I'm still irate about the whole B.A.T. especially how things went down in the early going. The ideas I brought up around Mid Thread were only the beginning of things that need to change. If we do your idea of keeping a team for 2yrs it also allows better flexibility on trades(which the following year picks would be inclusive on deals). I never quite understood the even swap trade thing either, I would have been more encouraged by 2 for 3 deals or deals with the ability to acquire at most 1 additional assets of value across a trade.


Agree with everything stated here. But the powers that be have doomed my keepers league idea to failure (without even being willing to give it a try). What would be the downside of giving it a shot? So what if there's heavy GM turnover. If anything I Am Ra has proven the job can be just as fun in inheriting a franchise and turning it around for the best. Kind of like what Donnie Walsh is doing after Scott Layden and Isiah Thomas. Then it was said that a 2yr league wouldn't be fair to GM's who want a shot but miss out on being awarded a team initially. But to that I say it was an outright contradiction as if it was previously stated that high-GM turnover was an issue then wouldn't others who initially miss out eventually be getting their fair shot??? *DUH* Then we got schitted on for the idea of a committee. I just want to let it be known I wasn't trying to step on toes or usurp anyone's authority by trying to talk of organizing a committee. I just think if the more active GMs contribute with a voice in the rule setting process and with who gets awarded a franchise it'll make things run smoother.


A committee is absolutely a sign of wisdom

Keepers league is a solid idea too. I mean that's why there's value(should be mandatory-required) in having assistant GMs or positions in waiting right. Matter of fact say we started another B.A.T. today and 30 teams filled up with qualified GMs but there were 15 GMs left out in the cold. Well those 15 in waiting should be automatically assigned a GM position or I guess give them the option to put their name next to the team they'd like to Ast GM.

Here's another idea to cut out all the Ast/GM popularity clique crap....... instead of revealing what GM has what team just do a number 1-30 place holder system GM/Ast GM. Then as GMs state their place holder post put FILLED next to the number(mod keeps a unrevealed log in the background of who has stated Place Holder Posts) until all positions are filled and this would spill over into Ast GMs. Basically what I'm getting at is GMs and Ast GM should be joined together in accordance to their Place Holder post position.

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You're the first to post in the thread PLACE HOLDER, then I post PLACE HOLDER, then I am Ra post PLACE HOLDER up to 30GMs.... then TKF post PLACE HOLDER, then wtfbosh post PLACE HOLDER, then sonny post PLACE HOLDER waiting for 27 more PLACE HOLDER posts to fill Ast GM positions

GM/Ast Place Holder

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2. FILLED/FILLED
3. FILLED/FILLED
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At that point once all positions are filled reveal who the GMs/Ast GMs are. After the first year is over if all or lets say the majority of GMs are still participating.... the GM/Ast GM can agree to swap positions or keep things the way they are if they're happy with everything going into the following year of managing the team. If I get stuck with KLN or he gets stuck with me so be it. IMO this probably would result in improved Managing and Assisting of board relationships... lol
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Post#1272 » by I am Ra » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:58 pm

^i really like that idea actually bluest.
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Post#1273 » by 2010 » Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:22 am

TheBluest, you nailed it with that idea! That would really facilitate poster interaction and enhance the respect level among GMs/Asst GMs who probably otherwise would not establish a direct relationship. I co-sign this idea but it will be shot down in all likelihood.
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Post#1274 » by Smoke24 » Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:38 am

2010 wrote:TheBluest, you nailed it with that idea! That would really facilitate poster interaction and enhance the respect level among GMs/Asst GMs who probably otherwise would not establish a direct relationship. I co-sign this idea but it will be shot down in all likelihood.


Why would it? I mean that could happen. Every BAT we learn of newer ways to make the experience better. Its not worth doing if its going to be the same for the next few ones. Then it becomes stale. Plus It gives people who don't get a chance to have a team, to learn the ropes and if the GM has to relinquish for whatever reason, no one misses a beat.
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Re: [Build A Team 4.0] Discussion Thread Part 3 - I LOVE MY TEAM 

Post#1275 » by 2010 » Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:41 am

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2010 wrote:TheBluest, you nailed it with that idea! That would really facilitate poster interaction and enhance the respect level among GMs/Asst GMs who probably otherwise would not establish a direct relationship. I co-sign this idea but it will be shot down in all likelihood.


Why would it? I mean that could happen. Every BAT we learn of newer ways to make the experience better. Its not worth doing if its going to be the same for the next few ones. Then it becomes stale. Plus It gives people who don't get a chance to have a team, to learn the ropes and if the GM has to relinquish for whatever reason, no one misses a beat.


I agree with everything you're saying. The reason I say it will probably be shot down is because we have similarly proposed having a committee created as well as a 2yr KEEPERS LEAGUE to bring stability and continuity in the judging process and GM assessment yet we were told it wasn't gonna happen.
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Post#1276 » by moocow007 » Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:31 am

Problem with Keeper leagues is that it's a freakin lot of work. You guys don't realize how much time this takes from a mod standpoint. We do have other lives you know. But do we get appreciation? Nope. Do we get an occasional "thanks"? Not at all. Do we even get a once in a while "thanks moo"? Fat chance. Heck just maintaining this BAT thing takes a lot of time to do.
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Post#1277 » by H20KilledHeat » Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:36 am

moocow007 wrote:Problem with Keeper leagues is that it's a freakin lot of work. You guys don't realize how much time this takes from a mod standpoint. We do have other lives you know. But do we get appreciation? Nope. Do we get an occasional "thanks"? Not at all. Do we even get a once in a while "thanks moo"? Fat chance. Heck just maintaining this BAT thing takes a lot of time to do.

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Re: [Build A Team 4.0] Discussion Thread Part 3 - I LOVE MY TEAM 

Post#1278 » by 2010 » Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:50 am

moocow007 wrote:Problem with Keeper leagues is that it's a freakin lot of work. You guys don't realize how much time this takes from a mod standpoint. We do have other lives you know. But do we get appreciation? Nope. Do we get an occasional "thanks"? Not at all. Do we even get a once in a while "thanks moo"? Fat chance. Heck just maintaining this BAT thing takes a lot of time to do.


Moo, just FYI I generally do try to be thankful of the job the mods do you guys have done a great job with this BAT. Which is why posters like myself and TheBluest would love to help out and lend a hand in the process as forming a committee would do. Also, just to make sure we're on the same page, what about the Keepers League spanning 2yrs would be more work than the current BAT 4.0? Essentially to me they are the same except the rosters are longer-term, we'd have season end awards, a free agency period, things like that. But isn't that the same as starting a new BAT and redoing the rosters completely? Why not just carry the BAT over and let GMs keep their roster and bring some continuity?
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Post#1279 » by Mecca » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:14 am

BTW - I don't think any big time NCAA head coaches should be available for assistant jobs, imo. Not realistic at all.
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Post#1280 » by TheBluest » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:35 am

2010 wrote:
moocow007 wrote:Problem with Keeper leagues is that it's a freakin lot of work. You guys don't realize how much time this takes from a mod standpoint. We do have other lives you know. But do we get appreciation? Nope. Do we get an occasional "thanks"? Not at all. Do we even get a once in a while "thanks moo"? Fat chance. Heck just maintaining this BAT thing takes a lot of time to do.


Moo, just FYI I generally do try to be thankful of the job the mods do you guys have done a great job with this BAT. Which is why posters like myself and TheBluest would love to help out and lend a hand in the process as forming a committee would do. Also, just to make sure we're on the same page, what about the Keepers League spanning 2yrs would be more work than the current BAT 4.0? Essentially to me they are the same except the rosters are longer-term, we'd have season end awards, a free agency period, things like that. But isn't that the same as starting a new BAT and redoing the rosters completely? Why not just carry the BAT over and let GMs keep their roster and bring some continuity?


Moo I gotta give you respect here, I personally haven't thanked you guys enough.

I especially appreciate how you came into each situation in B.A.T. 4.0 and resolved issues with excellent arbitrary/moderating skills. I'm also getting more and more used to your sense of humor. Magnmut has been extraordinary with providing a skeleton from which to build on top of. I appreciate his ability to get new stages developed quite efficiently.....adding Modules so-to-speak with detail.

I love how blind comes in and gets everyone up to speed in various rounds and his off-site documentation downloads/uploads.....

I see this as a growing pain period...... with a lot of promise to be one of the best sport entertainment ideas going.

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