Jamal Crawford trade...

[Qwigglez]

It being the off-season and there is really nothing to talk about, I'd like to make a trade offer...

Here's how the trade breakdowns:
Suns get-
Jamal Crawford
Josh Smith

Suns lineup:
Nash/Dragic
Childress/Crawford
Hedo/Hill/Dudley
Smith/Warrick
Lopez/???Hedo???

Hawks get-
Jason Richardson
Channing Frye
Earl Clark
1st Round Pick

Hawks lineup:
Bibby/Teague
Johnson/Richardson
Williams/Evans
Horford/Clark
Frye/Zaza

Crawford would be great in the Suns system, and we could actually use him in the starting lineup or off the bench. Josh Smith would start at the PF spot, sliding Hedo to the SF position. The Suns could start Childress in place of Richardson, since Crawford creates most of his own shots, he wouldn't need to play with Nash all too much.

Obviously the Suns get the better end of the stick here, which is why I added a first round pick going to the Hawks to make it more fair. I don't believe Richardson would be as effective as Crawford was in Atlanta, but I still think he would be an asset to their team. Channing Frye would be essential to completing this trade for the Hawks. He'd most likely start at center for them, giving Horford more room to bang on the offensive end. Earl Clark would probably develop into a rotation player over there as well, since he probably won't see much time in Phoenix.

Now, I know some of you guys would probably say something like "throw in Hakim Warrick instead of Channing Frye and we gotta deal." But we can't really trade trash for treasure, and I think Frye makes this deal entirely more fair for the Hawks.
One problem I see occurring is the Suns would have no backup center, which would be a huge problem if Robin Lopez gets hit by injuries again. So hopefully the Suns can sign another big man for an insurance policy soon.

[Qwigglez]

I also don't believe the Hawks want to keep Josh Smith as their starting SF if they really are moving Horford to PF. Josh Smith simply doesn't have the ability to shoot consistently from the outside, and will most likely just clog the paint with Horford and Zaza in the middle. Marvin Williams coming off the bench is probably not the best idea either.

[Calvin Klein]

I'd do it. Not sure I'd extend Crawford's contract though.

[Qwigglez]

Depending on how well he does with the Suns, I think we'd be able to come up with some kind of an agreement. I think somewhere around 7-8 mil per year is pretty fair.

[nashrambler13]

This actually looks like a good trade. Decently far and all. I mean, for any discussion board, thats pretty impressive

[lilfishi22]

Not a bad trade. But I still don't think it's a fair trade even if we throw in a 1st. It seems like you are treating Smith as more of a throw-in just because you don't think the Hawks want to keep Smith since they are moving Horford to the 4. Smith on his own has plenty of value and I think we are asking for too much.

Crawford could be had probably for just JRich quite frankly.

[Qwigglez]

Should we maybe, throw in two first round picks
I wasn't trying to make Smith a throw-in, but essentially if they were to move Horford to the 4, Smith is going to have to play 3 because certainly he isn't coming off the bench. I just don't think Smith is a three, and it simply won't work that way. I believe Frye is exactly what they are looking for to make their lineup work.
Also, if they were to trade Crawford, they wouldn't be getting fair value if they were just trading for another volume scorer. I'm sure they would be looking for a big, yet there are not many big guys available to trade for who make the same type of pay that Crawford makes. Possibly Elton Brand, but then they run the risk of losing Horford because they won't have the necessary funds to pay him. Another possibility could be Erick Dampier, Tyson Chandler-guys that have expiring contracts also, however then the Hawks don't have any real fire power coming off the bench.
I think this trade makes sense for the Hawks because they'd be able to sign Horford after the season, while still maintaining a solid front-court for years to come. Possibly keep J-Rich for a lesser contract, and then have a couple of picks to draft a better point guard.
Then again, my opinion is obviously biased, and I will think of anything to make it seem like the Hawks will be getting a fair deal Even though two first round picks is cutting it close.

P.S-Should no one take offense to my awful trades and scheming. Just for fun, and something to pass time while the season slowly comes.

[Christine-In-AZ]

Crawford could be had probably for just JRich quite frankly.

Just curious... And I might have misunderstood your last thought on this trade, but it sounds like you might be good with a Crawford for JRich trade. If that's true I'd like to hear your rationale.

Crawford '10-
31 minutes
18 pts
FG% 45
3pt% 38.2
2.5 Rebs
1.73 TO
...most of his numbers declined in the playoffs (36% FG)

-a 30 years old/expiring contract

Richardson '10-
31 minutes
15.7 pts
FG% 47.4%
3pt% 39
5.1 Rebs
1.16 TO
...all his numbers improved in the playoffs (50% FG/19.8 PTS)

-a 29 years old/expiring contract

[DirtyDez]

Suns say yes, Hawks slam the phone down. I would like Jamal Clutchford as our SG. J-Rich/Dudley for Jamal straight up sounds good. It's crazy to think they'd trade Smith with Horford likely leaving next summer.

[DRK]

Suns say yes, Hawks slam the phone down. I would like Jamal Clutchford as our SG. J-Rich/Dudley for Jamal straight up sounds good. It's crazy to think they'd trade Smith with Horford likely leaving next summer.

[Calvin Klein]

No way I'm letting JRich go for Crawford only.

[Qwigglez]

Suns say yes, Hawks slam the phone down. I would like Jamal Clutchford as our SG. J-Rich/Dudley for Jamal straight up sounds good. It's crazy to think they'd trade Smith with Horford likely leaving next summer.

Actually, if Horford wasn't to be getting an extension this upcoming off-season than he would get his qualifying offer of 7mil for 2011-12. The Hawks are high on Horford, Smith not so much.

[DirtyDez]

Suns say yes, Hawks slam the phone down. I would like Jamal Clutchford as our SG. J-Rich/Dudley for Jamal straight up sounds good. It's crazy to think they'd trade Smith with Horford likely leaving next summer.

Actually, if Horford wasn't to be getting an extension this upcoming off-season than he would get his qualifying offer of 7mil for 2011-12. The Hawks are high on Horford, Smith not so much.

How are they high on Horford (who has no extension) but not Smith (who has the extension)? Next season they'll be paying JJ/Smith a combined 30+ mil. Someone will give Horford a huge contract. He's the next big name after Melo next sumer.

[DirtyDez]

Suns say yes, Hawks slam the phone down. I would like Jamal Clutchford as our SG. J-Rich/Dudley for Jamal straight up sounds good. It's crazy to think they'd trade Smith with Horford likely leaving next summer.

Yeah i'm gonna rethink that one. I like Jamal's clutchness and ability to create his own shot but J-Rich's rebounding is too impotant with Hedo at PF.

[Qwigglez]

Suns say yes, Hawks slam the phone down. I would like Jamal Clutchford as our SG. J-Rich/Dudley for Jamal straight up sounds good. It's crazy to think they'd trade Smith with Horford likely leaving next summer.

Actually, if Horford wasn't to be getting an extension this upcoming off-season than he would get his qualifying offer of 7mil for 2011-12. The Hawks are high on Horford, Smith not so much.

How are they high on Horford (who has no extension) but not Smith (who has the extension)? Next season they'll be paying JJ/Smith a combined 30+ mil. Someone will give Horford a huge contract. He's the next big name after Melo next sumer.

Well next summer he'll be a restricted free agent, so the Hawks could easily just match whatever offer will be put on the table.
The Hawks believe Horford still has room to grow, while Smith's is probably really close to his ceiling. But again, I'm not saying Smith is easily expendable, he could be had at the right price, I'm just saying if the Hawks had to choose a player Horford or Smith, they would choose Horford.

[Gorilla Warfare]

Richardson/Clark for Crawford/Evans. Don't see the Hawks trading Josh Smith.

[Mr. Sun]

It being the off-season and there is really nothing to talk about, I'd like to make a trade offer...

Here's how the trade breakdowns:
Suns get-
Jamal Crawford
Josh Smith

Suns lineup:
Nash/Dragic
Childress/Crawford
Hedo/Hill/Dudley
Smith/Warrick
Lopez/???Hedo???

Hawks get-
Jason Richardson
Channing Frye
Earl Clark
1st Round Pick

Hawks lineup:
Bibby/Teague
Johnson/Richardson
Williams/Evans
Horford/Clark
Frye/Zaza

Good trade idea. But I think Frye will have to be replaced because the hawks won't want him.

[lilfishi22]

Crawford could be had probably for just JRich quite frankly.

Just curious... And I might have misunderstood your last thought on this trade, but it sounds like you might be good with a Crawford for JRich trade. If that's true I'd like to hear your rationale.

Crawford '10-
31 minutes
18 pts
FG% 45
3pt% 38.2
2.5 Rebs
1.73 TO
...most of his numbers declined in the playoffs (36% FG)

-a 30 years old/expiring contract

Richardson '10-
31 minutes
15.7 pts
FG% 47.4%
3pt% 39
5.1 Rebs
1.16 TO
...all his numbers improved in the playoffs (50% FG/19.8 PTS)

-a 29 years old/expiring contract

Well, first of all, all I meant was that JRich and Crawford have close enough to 1:1 value as individual players, so the Hawks would do a trade straight up. This means that Josh Smith would only be worth Channing Frye, EC and a 1st. Since we now have Hedo, who's a playmaker and shot creator himself, I don't see the need to trade for Crawford. Jrich is also a much better fit for the Suns than Crawford because of his rebounding, spot up shooting and has a bigger body to defend with.

Crawford on the Hawks team is a creator, for himself and for the team. His 1.7TPG also produced 3AGP while JRich 1.2TPG produced only 1.8APG. It just shows Crawford does more with the ball than Jrich. Also JRich hasn't always been the sky high percentage shooter his whole career. He's a career .442FG% shooter and never shot higher than .446FG% until he started playing with Nash. So the .472FG% he shot last season doesn't reflect his ability to create high percentage shots. It just means he takes better shots because he receives better passes in the right place. Both player's TS% and eFG% are also quite similar with JRich shooting .574TS% and .553eFG% while Crawford shot .573TS% and .523eFG%. This is because Crawford got to the line twice as many times as JRich did (2.3FTA vs 4.6FTA) while shooting much better from the line (.739FT% vs .857FT%). As for their PER's, Jrich came in at an above-average 16.6 while Crawford was an 18.4.


15.7PPG on .47FG% is nice but that offense has been from an assist 70% of the time while Crawford's 18PPG on .45FG% (career high) has only been assisted on a fairly low 43% rate.

As a quick reference, other elite scorers had similar % of their offense assisted:
Carmelo Anthony - 42%
Kobe Bryant - 41%
Lebron James - 36%
Dwayne Wade - 28%
Kevin Durant - 52%

So Crawford is right there with these elite scorers in terms of creating their own offense. So, once again, Crawford does more with the ball (because he has to) than JRich. JRich's FG% is a product of the system and Nash and aside from rebounding and shooting where the pass has led him to, the game is pretty much laid out for him. Aside from that JRich easily outperformed Crawford in the playoffs, shooting a ridiculously high FG% and 3PT%. Both players play in very different system, with different team mates and play very different roles but both players are productive in their own way so in terms of value, they aren't too far apart. Crawford played well in a system that let him do what he does best while coming off the bench while I don't think JRich could do what Crawford does off the bench, while only being assisted 43% of the time.

[DRK]

Richardson/Clark for Crawford/Evans. Don't see the Hawks trading Josh Smith.

No thanks. Pass. We dont need Evans, as we just signed Childress... PLus, I want to give Clark more time to prove himself before shipping him off... And finally, J-Rich is miles better than J-Craw, and fits this sytem perfectly.

[lilfishi22]

Richardson/Clark for Crawford/Evans. Don't see the Hawks trading Josh Smith.

No thanks. Pass. We dont need Evans, as we just signed Childress... PLus, I want to give Clark more time to prove himself before shipping him off... And finally, J-Rich is miles better than J-Craw, and fits this sytem perfectly.

+1 Rather keep EC anyway.