Accardo not happy in AAA

youngLion · Post #1 » by **youngLion** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:25 am

According to the Las Vegas Review, Accardo - who also spent the bulk of 2009 in the minors - was told by general manager Alex Anthopoulos that things would be different this season.

"I was lied to a lot last year, where I was told one thing and something else ended up happening," Accardo told the Review. "That didn't sit well with me, but I turned (over) a (new) leaf and we talked and he told me everything's going to change, and really things haven't changed."

Accardo started the season in the Jays' bullpen but didn't get any game action in the first two weeks.

There's also an interesting observation by the 51s' pitching coach:

Accardo says he's unsure if he'll be a call-up when the rosters expand in September, but he has one supporter in 51s pitching coach Dave LaRoche, who feels that Accardo has shown enough in Triple-A.

"Actually, his stuff might be better this year," LaRoche said.

SharoneWright · Post #2 » by **SharoneWright** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:56 am

Accardo has a major league arm.

The way he has been dealt with is very disappointing. He's got a legit beef. imo.

DonYon · Post #3 » by **DonYon** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:03 am

he used to be a very good closer for us not too long ago... hard to believe.

Hoopstarr · Post #4 » by **Hoopstarr** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:26 am

It's too bad that Accardo and Cito haven't gotten along the entire time. First Cito floated that nonsense about stretching him out last spring, after which he didn't make the roster. Then there was the time he confused Accardo for Janssen, which probably wasn't the only time. He didn't even want to be back this season but AA had to convince him that he'll make the team if he pitches well and then Merkin Valdez made the team over him. I'd be pissed too.

Randle McMurphy · Post #5 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:42 am

That's the life of a reliever with hittable stuff, Accardo. Ask Dirk Hayhurst.

And the reason he's not in the majors has nothing to do with Cito. It's mainly that he hasn't been a good pitcher since 2007 (and the fact that Downs, Camp, Frasor, Gregg, Janssen, Purcey, and even Jesse Carlson are better than him). Roenicke is also better (and probably should be up here right now), but I don't see him whining.

Avenger · Post #6 » by **Avenger** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:56 am

Hoopstarr wrote:It's too bad that Accardo and Cito haven't gotten along the entire time. First Cito floated that nonsense about stretching him out last spring, after which he didn't make the roster. Then there was the time he confused Accardo for Janssen, which probably wasn't the only time. He didn't even want to be back this season but AA had to convince him that he'll make the team if he pitches well and then Merkin Valdez made the team over him. I'd be pissed too.

lol, Is this a joke? Not a single thing there makes any sense, Merkin Valdez made the team over Accardo because because he didn't have any options and the Jays wanted to see if they had anything with him before letting a another team claim him on waivers.

Accardo is a horrible pitcher with one good year in his name when he only pitched 67 innings, he hasn't been the same since that year. You can blame it on injuries and the fact that he's never recovered his splitter but all that is irrelevent, the club doesn't need to justify why they don't play bad players and Accardo doesn't deserve any more chances than he already got.

SargentBargs101 · Post #7 » by **SargentBargs101** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:23 am

Accardo made the twam coming out of spring training... i like accardo a lot... think he can do a better job than tallet.

Weems · Post #8 » by **Weems** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:59 am

Oh come on. Accardo should be up over one of either Tallet and Carlsson, take your pic. Preferably Tallet. I don't care if he's a lefty. I don't care if he only pitches in mop up duties. He can't retire batters, plain and simple. His FIP is over 7 and his WHIP would be over 2 with average luck.

baulderdash77 · Post #9 » by **baulderdash77** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:06 pm

But Tallet is Cito's guy and Accardo isn't. I think that's the big difference.

At best Accardo is a fringe big league reliever. He's you're back of the bullpen guy. There's almost no way that he's ever going to be on our active roster unless there's major injuries. He just isn't good enough.

Post #10 » by **YogiStewart** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:32 pm

This morning, Wilner said there may or may not be something happening behind the scenes to explain why Accardo's been buried int he minors.

Accardo's definitely been a strange bird. Had one good season, then lost his form. He's done a lot of gum flapping since then. if he's as great and as big league as he thinks he is, then explain why no other team's chomping at the bit to trade for him?

Graham's Cracker · Post #11 » by **Graham's Cracker** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:19 pm

I'm sure that the organization would let Accardo's agent broker a trade for him if that's what he wanted. It sounds as if it might be addition by subtraction if we were to get rid of him. No doubt he's bitter and sounds a bit of a toxic presence in Vegas.

Like others have said, he probably doesn't have a whole lot of value around the league.

ItsDanger · Post #12 » by **ItsDanger** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:00 pm

Well he cant be worse than Jesse Carlson.

dropshot001 · Post #13 » by **dropshot001** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:44 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Well he cant be worse than Jesse Carlson.

that's for sure....

Randle McMurphy · Post #14 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 4:10 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Well he cant be worse than Jesse Carlson.

He can and is.

Hoopstarr · Post #15 » by **Hoopstarr** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:20 pm

Avenger wrote:
Hoopstarr wrote:It's too bad that Accardo and Cito haven't gotten along the entire time. First Cito floated that nonsense about stretching him out last spring, after which he didn't make the roster. Then there was the time he confused Accardo for Janssen, which probably wasn't the only time. He didn't even want to be back this season but AA had to convince him that he'll make the team if he pitches well and then Merkin Valdez made the team over him. I'd be pissed too.

lol, Is this a joke? Not a single thing there makes any sense, Merkin Valdez made the team over Accardo because because he didn't have any options and the Jays wanted to see if they had anything with him before letting a another team claim him on waivers.

Accardo is a horrible pitcher with one good year in his name when he only pitched 67 innings, he hasn't been the same since that year. You can blame it on injuries and the fact that he's never recovered his splitter but all that is irrelevent, the club doesn't need to justify why they don't play bad players and Accardo doesn't deserve any more chances than he already got.

So Cito didn't talk about stretching him out and confuse him with another pitcher? Or am I just brainwashed by some "Wilner and blogger" conspiracy. If he lost his splitter and wasn't in the plans, then why bring him back against his wishes? Valdez was acquired after re-signing Accardo and even he was **** around with. They wanted to see what he had so he got exactly 1.1 IP (over a whole month) before waivering him?

Avenger · Post #16 » by **Avenger** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:57 pm

Hoopstarr wrote:So Cito didn't talk about stretching him out and confuse him with another pitcher? Or am I just brainwashed by some "Wilner and blogger" conspiracy.

Ask yourself this question, why is any of that relevant? Accardo is not a major leaguer because he can't pitch anymore, Cito wasn't responsible for his injuries nor was he responsible for his lack of effectivenes after he came back. What difference does it make if Cito confused him with Accardo or talked about stretching him out(i doubt that's even true), does that stop Accardo from throwing strikes with an almost 1:1 K to BB ratio in the last three years? Does that stop him from inducing strikeouts? (about 4.5 K/9 since 2007).

Hoopstarr · Post #17 » by **Hoopstarr** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:25 pm

Cito confusing players and considering stretching out a reliever with no secondary pitch is not relevant? And that stuff IS true, by the way--http://mlbastian.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/03/are_you_confused_yet.html. And the confusing of pitchers wasn't the first time either. He also confused Purcey for Cecil saying Purcey cut his finger and he couldn't throw a curve anymore (http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/news/ar ... p&c_id=tor). I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on whether this is all relevant.

I don't blame Cito for Accardo sucking. I blame him for the jerking around. In addition to the confusion about his role, he was also used irregularly. Look at his game log (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/753 ... M1enaFCLcF). He had two weeks where he didn't pitch at all and then others where he pitched every other day. Cito's bullpen management usually makes sense, but this and giving Valdez no chance was really out there.

Randle McMurphy · Post #18 » by **Randle McMurphy** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:29 pm

Cito mixing up Accardo and Janssen in one conversation with the media isn't the reason that Accardo has been bad for 3 years now. I don't understand how this guy gets off whining like he's some kind of star being held back in AAA.

Avenger · Post #19 » by **Avenger** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:05 pm

Hoopstarr wrote:Cito confusing players and considering stretching out a reliever with no secondary pitch is not relevant? And that stuff IS true, by the way--http://mlbastian.mlblogs.com/archives/2009/03/are_you_confused_yet.html. And the confusing of pitchers wasn't the first time either. He also confused Purcey for Cecil saying Purcey cut his finger and he couldn't throw a curve anymore (http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/news/ar ... p&c_id=tor). I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on whether this is all relevant.

Confusing players' names is not relavent at all, i can guarantee you every single manager at one point got his players mixed up, its what normal human beings do. No one makes a big deal out of it because not every fan base has the raging hormone personality and the sheep mentality that Jays fans have. The emphasis on completely irrelevant things like this is just another not-so-subtle subtle jab at someone's intelligence to denigrate him personally

Post #20 » by **tsherkin** » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:52 pm

I liked Accardo back in like 2007 when he did OK... but OK for him was 30 saves and 5 blown saves, which is exactly what Gregg has right now. He had one outlier season and has been a very hittable pitcher who walks a lot of guys in each of his major league stints since. He's been kind of jerked around by the Jays, but it's not like he's some supreme talent. He's lost like 2.5 mph off of his splitter and doesn't have great command, so I don't know why he's acting like he's Mariano Rivera pt II.