Jennings on the down low? Not anymore

[chuckleslove]

i'm gonna throw out the idea that to the common fan, the jennings/garnett thing probably looked a lot like the blake/bogut incident.

The (and it is a very significant one) difference between the two is that to me, the Jennings/KG spat was completely verbal (unless you believe it stemmed from the Big Baby hard foul earlier in the game), while Blake quite obviously intentionally tried to start something by making a physical action in that Clippers game. Blake instigated that situation, bottom line.

The other difference is that one was in the middle of the game and the other was after it was over. Physical altercations receive much more negative attention(deservedly so) than trash talking.

[jerrod]

i'm gonna throw out the idea that to the common fan, the jennings/garnett thing probably looked a lot like the blake/bogut incident.

remember the response to that on here?

Hey man, Steve Blake is just being competitive. It's just part of the game, right?

that was my belief from the beginning, so was jennings.

just like jennings and lebron both danced, and both were fine.

[Newz]

i'm gonna throw out the idea that to the common fan, the jennings/garnett thing probably looked a lot like the blake/bogut incident.

The (and it is a very significant one) difference between the two is that to me, the Jennings/KG spat was completely verbal (unless you believe it stemmed from the Big Baby hard foul earlier in the game), while Blake quite obviously intentionally tried to start something by making a physical action in that Clippers game. Blake instigated that situation, bottom line.

Jennings clearly was not innocent in the Boston game.

I like that he stood up for himself when Big Baby hard fouled him. I didn't even mind that he went up to KG in the tunnel and was barking at him, because I think Garnett is a total jag. When you turn on SportsCenter and see the 10-15 second clips of both though, it doesn't make Jennings look good, it makes him look bad. Just like the Blake incident.

I'm not even trying to say that no one likes Jennings. I think he has a ton of fans out there. But I also think he has a lot of people that dislike him for a lot of different reasons.

[chuckleslove]

I'm not even trying to say that no one likes Jennings. I think he has a ton of fans out there. But I also think he has a lot of people that dislike him for a lot of different reasons.

You could say that about any player though, literally every player who has ever played in any sport has people who liked them and didn't like them.

[LUKE23]

None of that post talks about what I'm debating though. There is a massive difference between the Blake/Bogut incident and the Jennings/KG incident. Blake intentionally tried to start an altercation in that incident by doing something physical, there was nothing like that in the Boston game (unless you think the Big Baby foul was intentionally trying to hurt Jennings, I don't).

Those two situations are not similar is my point.

[Newz]

None of that post talks about what I'm debating though. There is a massive difference between the Blake/Bogut incident and the Jennings/KG incident. Blake intentionally tried to start an altercation in that incident by doing something physical, there was nothing like that in the Boston game (unless you think the Big Baby foul was intentionally trying to hurt Jennings, I don't).

Those two situations are not similar is my point.

KG could have very easily taken offense to whatever Jennings was jawing at him about and pushed him while they were going back into the tunnel.

[speedingtime]

I'm not even trying to say that no one likes Jennings. I think he has a ton of fans out there. But I also think he has a lot of people that dislike him for a lot of different reasons.

You could say that about any player though, literally every player who has ever played in any sport has people who liked them and didn't like them.

Pretty much. Kobe acts like an arrogant douche on the court all the time, nobody really thinks it's an issue (there are people who hate him for it, but for some it's just his game and he isn't going to change that attitude any time soon). I don't like either Kobe or LeBron, but if they were on my team I would probably feel differently.I might feel the same about Jennings. That's where it goes from being logical to just being a fan, personally.

[LUKE23]

KG could have very easily taken offense to whatever Jennings was jawing at him about and pushed him while they were going back into the tunnel.

Ok, but we're talking what actually happened. The two situations aren't similar. One is words, one is physical confrontation.

[Newz]

I'm not even trying to say that no one likes Jennings. I think he has a ton of fans out there. But I also think he has a lot of people that dislike him for a lot of different reasons.

You could say that about any player though, literally every player who has ever played in any sport has people who liked them and didn't like them.

Yes, you could. But if you took the average amount of fans who dislike a player or view them in a negative fashion, I believe Jennings would have more fans that dislike him than the average player. Because of his flash, the trash talk, the crazy things he does on the net, the way he plays, etc.

I'm sure there are people who dislike Kevin Durant too. But I don't think anyone really has concerns about his maturity or the way he handles himself. I believe that a lot of people question Jennings' maturity, how he approaches the game, etc.

[Newz]

KG could have very easily taken offense to whatever Jennings was jawing at him about and pushed him while they were going back into the tunnel.

Ok, but we're talking what actually happened. The two situations aren't similar. One is words, one is physical confrontation.

Jennings being hard fouled, taunting someone and being headbutt in the face lead up to the confrontation though. This all happened in the same game.

[LUKE23]

He wasn't really "headbutt". Davis got up quick and caught him BARELY in the face (with Jennings standing right over him), it's not like he walked up to Jennings and headbutt him. Blake threw Ersan to the ground in the game we were talking.

[Newz]

Pretty much. Kobe acts like an arrogant douche on the court all the time, nobody really thinks it's an issue (there are people who hate him for it, but for some it's just his game and he isn't going to change that attitude any time soon). I don't like either Kobe or LeBron, but if they were on my team I would probably feel differently.I might feel the same about Jennings. That's where it goes from being logical to just being a fan, personally.

Exactly. I believe both LeBron and Kobe are amazing players. I think LeBron is a real tool off of the court (and some of the things on the court) for some of the things he has done and I have never liked Kobe Bryant's attitude at all.

If those guys were on the Bucks I'm sure I would feel a lot different about it.

Just like I'm sure people view Brandon Jennings' hair, trash talk, dancing, predraft comments, failed SATs, trip to Europe, etc. different than most Bucks fans do. Once again, I don't really even see how this is a debate.

The argument has switched from me saying "I don't think it's a smart thing for him to do because it is going to hurt how people view him even more." to people saying "Why should he care how people see him?" and then they switched gears to "Jennings has a great reputation amongst common fans".

Pretty much what it seems like people are saying is Jennings can do whatever he wants. He can trash talk Hall of Fame players, rip on other players to the media (Rubio), etc. and that doesn't change how people view him. Are you serious?

[Newz]

He wasn't really "headbutt". Davis got up quick and caught him BARELY in the face (with Jennings standing right over him), it's not like he walked up to Jennings and headbutt him. Blake threw Ersan to the ground in the game we were talking.

Barely hit him in the face?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1NntCmiCW4[/youtube]

The guys head started at his crotch and nearly rammed into Jennings' chin.

[speedingtime]

Pretty much. Kobe acts like an arrogant douche on the court all the time, nobody really thinks it's an issue (there are people who hate him for it, but for some it's just his game and he isn't going to change that attitude any time soon). I don't like either Kobe or LeBron, but if they were on my team I would probably feel differently.I might feel the same about Jennings. That's where it goes from being logical to just being a fan, personally.

Exactly. I believe both LeBron and Kobe are amazing players. I think LeBron is a real tool off of the court (and some of the things on the court) for some of the things he has done and I have never liked Kobe Bryant's attitude at all.

If those guys were on the Bucks I'm sure I would feel a lot different about it.

Just like I'm sure people view Brandon Jennings' hair, trash talk, dancing, predraft comments, failed SATs, trip to Europe, etc. different than most Bucks fans do. Once again, I don't really even see how this is a debate.

The argument has switched from me saying "I don't think it's a smart thing for him to do because it is going to hurt how people view him even more." to people saying "Why should he care how people see him?" and then they switched gears to "Jennings has a great reputation amongst common fans".

Pretty much what it seems like people are saying is Jennings can do whatever he wants. He can trash talk Hall of Fame players, rip on other players to the media (Rubio), etc. and that doesn't change how people view him. Are you serious?

Well, I think most people just think that this video really doesn't show any of the traits that people criticize Jennings for. It's one thing to make people like you, it's another to completely change who you are and avoid all criticism, no matter how irrational they may be. Some of the criticisms might be called for, this one isn't.

[LUKE23]

He barely hit him. "Headbutt" means he hit Jennings head with his. That isn't what happened. Jennings is standing over him, is Big Baby just supposed to lay there? If you can't see the difference between that play and something completely uncalled for and not retaliation (Blake forearming Ersan to the deck randomly) then I don't know what to say. One is minor scuffle with both sides at fault. The other is someone doing something completely out of the blue that isn't triggered by something else.

[Newz]

He barely hit him. "Headbutt" means he hit Jennings head with his. That isn't what happened. Jennings is standing over him, is Big Baby just supposed to lay there? If you can't see the difference between that play and something completely uncalled for and not retaliation (Blake forearming Ersan to the deck) then I don't know what to say. One is minor scuffle with both sides at fault. The other is someone doing something completely out of the blue that isn't triggered by something else.

Both sides are at fault?

I'm going to have to say that was primarily Jennings' fault for going and standing over the guy instead of just going to the FT line.

[LUKE23]

Umm, he went over there for a reason. One is done with no reason (Blake), one is done with reason (hard ass foul).

[crkone]

My argument has remained the same. I said he shouldn't care what people think about him because the majority of people outside of hardcore basketball fans don't know/care since he doesn't do anything that is illegal or anything that throws his employer under the bus. I also said that if he does do something bad, people will pick apart the minor stuff he does now and throw fuel on the fire. And for that Nike people thing, I would think it would be a bigger deal to be the first shoe line to come out for a big athletic sportswear company than to be just a statistic for Nike. I haven't heard any sponsorship thing recently about it but I think he didn't get paid much when he was in Europe by Under Armour.

[Newz]

Umm, he went over there for a reason. One is done with no reason (Blake), one is done with reason (hard ass foul).

So you are willing to admit that there was a lot of physical contact that lead up to Jennings' talking trash to KG now?

[ziplockfresh]

Umm, he went over there for a reason. One is done with no reason (Blake), one is done with reason (hard ass foul).

So you are willing to admit that there was a lot of physical contact that lead up to Jennings' talking trash to KG now?

I haven't read all the comments..But why is it such a big deal that Jennings talked trash to KG. KG has made that a part of his game, he should expect the same in return.