Brandon Jennings Ceiling

[ipoopinmypants]

lets just simplify it and say, inb4 fans

You know, I was actually about to start quoting you every time someone made a funny post and just posting this:

i lol'd

I start noticing patterns and feel this nagging urge to call people out on it, hoping to create humour. It's in my nature.

[KF10]

I like Jennings.

There is critical flaws in his game that keeps him out of the discussion as being a top PG in the L in the future. Some flaws are:

-Inconsistent jumper mechanics (other than his three point shot which is fairly accurate, everything else was pretty bad. Nearly Evans' broken jumpshot-bad).
-Too skinny.
-One of the worst finishers around the rim.
-Gets shot happy at times.
-5.7 assists per game is a good start but needs to bump that up if he is continuing to be a traditional PG-type player. (A guy like Evans averaged 5.8 apg and most people think he is a complete ball stopper *not true*)
-Inconsistent concentrated effort in defense (I like when Jennings is focused playing defense at a particular times but when he is not focused, his defense is not too great).
-Shot a low FG% (Shot selection may attribute this but I believe this is more of his mechanics).

If Jennings can fix at least 3/7 of these flaws, IMO he is going to be very good.

[Wavy Q]

lets just simplify it and say, inb4 fans

You know, I was actually about to start quoting you every time someone made a funny post and just posting this:

i lol'd

I start noticing patterns and feel this nagging urge to call people out on it, hoping to create humour. It's in my nature.

by all means go for it

[ipoopinmypants]

I like Jennings.

There is critical flaws in his game that keeps him out of the discussion as being a top PG in the L in the future. Some flaws are:

-Inconsistent jumper mechanics (other than his three point shot which is fairly accurate, everything else was pretty bad. Nearly Evans' broken jumpshot-bad).
-Too skinny.
-One of the worst finishers around the rim.
-Gets shot happy at times.
-5.7 assists per game is a good start but needs to bump that up if he is continuing to be a traditional PG-type player. (A guy like Evans averaged 5.8 apg and most people think he is a complete ball stopper *not true*)
-Inconsistent concentrated effort in defense (I like when Jennings is focused playing defense at a particular times but when he is not focused, his defense is not too great).
-Shot a low FG% (Shot selection may attribute this but I believe this is more of his mechanics).

If Jennings can fix at least 3/7 of these flaws, IMO he is going to be very good.

I'd say 1, 3, and 6 are pretty damn important characteristics. But ya as of now he's still raw, but even a Bulls fan can see there's some potential there.

[Malinhion]

Gilbert Arenas

The streaky shooting, playmaking style, and slashing ability remind me of a young Arenas. Both came into the league at 20, but Brandon did more when given the opportunity with more minutes. Let's see if he progresses along a similar path.

[aboveAverage]

Brandon is really difficult to gauge. He can be as good as he wants to be, he's got all the foundation and work ethic to get there.

But it's also easy to see him struggle next year if he doesn't fix some of his flaws.

[Dear Leader]

Andrew Bogut's Pippen

[Blackmun]

I don't think he has the right stuff, mentally speaking, to become great.

[TyCobb]

I don't think he has the right stuff, mentally speaking, to become great.

Haha, probably because he chose Europe to play basketball after he didn't meet academic requirements to play for Arizona huh? There's that book smart creepin' up again!

[longfellow44]

Jennings will be Tony Parker with legit range. Sure he was a pretty poor shooter this season but he showed signs of having the ability to convert a higher percentage of his 3 point attempts. He likely pulls atleast a few all star games.

[Promezclan]

Arenas had a 56 TS% as a rookie, Jennings was at 47%. I don't care how much you score - when your efficiency is that low, it is actually a liability to your team. I'm very willing to bet that Jennings will never put up 29.3 ppg on 58 TS% like Arenas.

[HB2]

Marbury

BTW, am I the only one who thinks that "working on everything" is code for attending gym, but not doing anything special/particular - just fooling around.

[l_ayups]

I don't think he has the right stuff, mentally speaking, to become great.

From several reports before the draft (including DX), people were universally praising Jennings's work ethic and attitude. He was really close to several of his European teammates and fellow imports -- pretty hard to do when you're an 18-19 year-old with many reasons to be an entitled brat (Jeremy Tyler, anyone?). Didn't bitch and whine about his minutes and production last year when his future earnings were directly tied to them, and fell to 10 because of it -- only to vastly outplay where he was picked.

I think Bucks fans have to be happy they have him, as he'll wind up being the 3rd or 4th best point in the East in a few years (if not sooner). If anything, he doesn't have the physical profile to be on the same level as Rondo and Rose -- nothing to do with attitude.

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

So he is working on all around game which i think he should a better right hand will make him a tough cover and defense is always key.. Next year he should focus solely on his shooting touch

Anyhow i think is max ceiling is a tony parker. And a team with BJ as there best player will never win a title.

5 all star games..

No one said a team with Jennings as its best player would win a title. Even DWade showed you that. But he can make others better and in the Eastern Conference come you can come pretty darn close.
Namely, if he can turn Bogut into even a poor man's Tim Duncan there is your title right there in the East!
Now if Jennings ever gets the right dance partner where he can play the two man game with, you can bet your ass he can win a title!
It all depends on if he can get a guy like Derrick Rose has in Carlos Boozer they stole from DWill in Utah.
Same for John Wall in Washington. Same for Jrue Holiday if Doug Collins can get him to jell with Brand and Iguodala the Sixers will surprise you down the road.
You need 2 great players and 3 good to very good players and the right role guys and coach to get to the title game. The Bucks have that except a Superstar to pair with Jennings.
If only Bogut can stay healthy he would be a good to great #3 wheel and Jennings #2. Bogut could even be a #1 wheel if he takes another leap and be the best all around Center in the East next to Lopez and Howard who is actually a PF. But if they ever get that true #1 look the hell out!
If Jameer Nelson could do it with Howard, Lewis and Turkgolu I know Jennings can. If the Bucks could get Carmelo Anthony for instance (hypothetically) and pair him up with Jennings and Bogut the Bucks would kick any team in the East's a-- in the playoffs.
But he needs that partner. Like most PG's to pick and pop or screen and roll with because most of the players in the NBA can't guard motion or the pick and roll and the two man sets. Ask the Utah Jazz. They been running it for years and no one has stopped it.
Like Tony Parker, Duncan and Ginobili and Bowen surrounded around a bunch of role players and like John Stocckton and Malone, if he gets that partner he can do it as well as any other young PG in the NBA.
No PG can do it alone. A PG can get you to the playoffs, but it is the wings and 'Bigs' and matchup problems, size and versatility your team can pose and a coach who uses the right rotations and makes the right adjustments on the fly with what he has that will win you series and the rings.

[manou]

Brandon Jennings ceiling is higher than Parker. Parker has been a good player for a long time, but I'm not sure he makes three all-star games if he's not playing next to Duncan for his whole career.

+ 1

Come on now... Parker was all nba 3rd team in 2009, he basically put the spurs on his back and pushed them all season long. Duncan was always annoyed with injuries, Manu didn't have his mojo, and Parker was basically unstoppable. He averaged 22-7 in just 34 minutes, had a 55-7-10 game... Many people forget how great he can be, because of the last season where he always played with minor injuries.

Prime Jennings better than Prime Parker? I'm really not sure he can. He has A LOT of work to do on his FG% then.

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

Brandon Jennings ceiling is higher than Parker. Parker has been a good player for a long time, but I'm not sure he makes three all-star games if he's not playing next to Duncan for his whole career.

+ 1

Come on now... Parker was all nba 3rd team in 2009, he basically put the spurs on his back and pushed them all season long. Duncan was always annoyed with injuries, Manu didn't have his mojo, and Parker was basically unstoppable. He averaged 22-7 in just 34 minutes, had a 55-7-10 game... Many people forget how great he can be, because of the last season where he always played with minor injuries.

Prime Jennings better than Prime Parker? I'm really not sure he can. He has A LOT of work to do on his FG% then.

LOL it is not Tony Parker's fault he played with Duncan man! What the hell are you talking about!? To his credit he excelled with Duncan. That is what Jennings needs to do with Bogut.
And put down the Jennings kool-aid. I am as big a fan as Jennings and the Bucks as you are and even I am not that silly to say that.
Jennings can't carry Tony Parker's jock getting to the rim and in the paint at will and scoring! No one in the league, not even Iverson, CP3 or DWill can get in the lane and make shots better then Parker can and A.I. is fearless. And they are all good at it. But how many rings do they have?
Get your emotion out of this and answer the man's topic question objectively. If you know and have actually watch basketball, what Parker does it has really nothing to do with Duncan at all really! He does that himself.
And NO ONE IN THE LEAGUE can stay in front of him and keep him out of the lane. Even big men don't get as many in the paint points as Parker does, even in the playoffs! Until Brandon Jennings can do that just sit down.
Go pull up a shot chart on Tony Parker and see how many of his shots are high percentage in the lane shots.'
He is better then Wade or Iverson in that regard and does not get as many calls as those two.
So, please, do us all a favor and don't make a fool of yourself and even mention Jennings in the same breathe as Tony Parker until he can shoot over 35% and win a damn playoff series! Don't flip out on me here now son.

[dk1115]

Shaq but better.

[MVP-3]

I like Jennings. Whatever he puts in can be his limit

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

To me Jennings was the hardest rookie last year to guage his full potential. He seems like he could be a good pg but I cant see him being a allstar consistenyl with rose and rondo in the east

And don't forget John Wall!

In fact, Jennings will have to jump over Darren Collison and Jrue Holiday. And it is only a matter of time that Rubio or Chris Paul goes to the Knicks and Nets.

B.Jennings will play here 2-3 years and leave for L.A. when Baron Davis is done IMO. He is easy to guard if he cannot hit mid-range and finish around the rim and draw fouls. My colleagues from the Bucks board are drinking Jennings kool-aid and are in wishful thinking mode.

I said it once I say it again, he needs a partner because he cannot and will not take be able to take over games on a nightly basis being a lefty shooting like he does with the body he has. A.I. could shoot a lot of shots but he could finish as well and draw fouls.

You don't learn that. You are gifted with that or bestowed that respect by the officials from the time you are in the league. I am not sure any Bucks player will get calls like Jennings needs to to be an All Star like Rose or Wall.

He had better start using his right hand and get stronger as well. He is a streaky shooter who need to reinvent his shot.

Rondo, Rose, and Wall are all ahead of him. Holiday and Collison are going to creep up because both are better defenders and Wall is even quicker and more explosive then Jennings is. My fellow Bucks fans do not want to read that but it is true.

Jennings has more sauce and flavor and raw ability but that does not always translate to the Pro game. He works hard and plays hard, but to me he has a lot of work to do. The Bucks picked him because he sells some tickets but down the road he has to run free to be effective.

B. Jennings ultimately would be much better off playing in the wide open Western Conference because they will slow him down and ask him to move the ball and set it up in the East and on the Bucks this year.

We would have been better off long term with Jonny Flynn and Jennings would have been better All Star material in NY with Amar'e and D'Antoni but both Minnesota and the Knicks f'd up...and we lucked out.

What he did as a rookie last year he snuck up on teams. Many of my fans won't admit that but we did. It was dumb luck season. You look at the Bucks on paper last year and I just laugh at how that team won 45 + games...

We don't have enough for Jennings to reach is full potential because Bogut can't stay healthy and to be a great PG you will have to have a team with a Big who can stay healthy and wings who can run and score. With Coach Skiles jerking guy in the out of the lineup Jennings will have a tough time settling down.

He will be okay though.

[thegreatblaze]

Was that entire post just one big wall of sarcasm?