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Post#161 » by The Rebel » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:24 am

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the_warden wrote:I'm impressed with how Nuggets fans (at least on this board) are handling this. I'm pretty sure Cleveland fans would've had a collective stroke if this happened last summer.


I don't think Nuggets fans are as fond of Melo as Cavs fans were of LeBron. I've heard more than a few of them say they wanted to blow this whole team up and start again.


i as well as most Nuggets fans love Melo, but also understand where he is coming from. The Nuggets have 2 of their top 3 bigs probably sitting out the 1st month or 2 of the season, they have been struggling to improve the team for 2 years, the team has not gotten out of the 1st round in 6 of the last 7 years, Karl has been sick and may be gone at the end of the year, the young talent on the team is limited, and overall the Nuggets do not have many trade assets they can use to get better, without taking on someone else's problems.

there have been discussion on this as well as other Nuggets boards since March of how to reload the team, with most discussions coming to the realization that we would either have to trade Melo or Billups if we had any chance of getting talented young players. This whole Melo issue has helped decide the solution to the Nuggets issues, if the Nuggets do well in the trade, then they could possibly make the playoffs once again, and actually get a couple of good players that can develop over the next 2 or 3 years.

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zORi wrote:I don't think Nuggets fans are as fond of Melo as Cavs fans were of LeBron. I've heard more than a few of them say they wanted to blow this whole team up and start again.

Define "blow up". Is it shed salary as quickly as possible and build through the draft? Is it attempt to trade for young players, maybe some expiring contracts, and draft picks? Having seen this before, teams are usually behind the eight-ball when their star player wants to be traded (look at what was mostly garbage in return for Garnett, Gasol, etc.).


I cannot tell you what every Nuggets fan wants, but what I want for Melo in a perfect world is

A young big with real potential to be a 20 and 10 with good defense.

A young SG/SF, that can be a solid all around type guy.

A couple of extra picks, one with the chance to be a high lotto pick.

I am sure the Nuggets would like to take back less money then they send out, but I think that may be at the end of the list.

Overall the Nuggets are slated to have less then $30 million in guaranteed salary next year, and that could turn into less then $20 million. Without any big name free agents, I don't see them as being desperate for expiring contracts, but they are not going to take back a bad deal in a Melo trade.
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Post#162 » by The Rebel » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:32 am

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I don't think Nuggets fans are as fond of Melo as Cavs fans were of LeBron. I've heard more than a few of them say they wanted to blow this whole team up and start again.

Define "blow up". Is it shed salary as quickly as possible and build through the draft? Is it attempt to trade for young players, maybe some expiring contracts, and draft picks? Having seen this before, teams are usually behind the eight-ball when their star player wants to be traded (look at what was mostly garbage in return for Garnett, Gasol, etc.).


I agree with Bold. We had a similar situation with Tracy Mcgrady, and we didn't get back nearly what we gave up back in '04, and the Nuggets probably won't get back equal value either, but it's definitely better than nothing.

By "blow up" I meant trade/expire their core players (Chauncey, Melo, K-mart etc) and start over with new young talent.

While agree the return on McGrady was not great, the fact is that the Rockets got a 5 time young all star and a solid Sg. if Francis's health had held, the deal might be viewed very differently then they are now.

As for completely blowing up the team, I personally do not see the need to move Chauncey and I believe the team will not do anything with him in it, unless he requests it. He is a leader and understands what it takes to win, helping the young guys. He is also a local hero born and raised less then 15 minutes from the Pepsi center, and is very proud of that fact, which helps sales tickets. Overall the chance of him getting traded is as close to 0 as anybody on the Nuggets.


they may look to move K-Mart but I have a feeling that depends on what they get back on a Melo deal. if they get a big contract or two back for Melo, then i doubt KMart is moved as they will want the cap relief next year.
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Post#163 » by almost famous » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:34 am

I for one have wanted to trade Melo 3 years ago. Awesome player and a decent guy off the court, but doesn't seem to have the leadership or drive to be the center of a team. Before this off-season, I cursed the Cavs every day for beating the Nuggets in the lottery when our records were the same, but now I just feel pity for them.

Frankly, I'm a little shocked at Melo. I didn't think he'd ever be the one to force his way out. He whined about hearing his name in trades a few years ago, which weren't true, and often said that he wanted to be Elway in this town (Still a lmao to me). Now he wants out because he says he doesn't have enough help? He knows the handicap we have with Kenyon. We have no problems scoring, we filled the leadership role that he couldn't fill with Billups, and we just improved our front court depth. If he wants some defensive help, maybe he should set a **** example. Apart from JR, he's easily the worst defender on the team. Hell, sometimes it's a coin toss between those two.
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Post#164 » by Revelation » Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:00 am

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Post#165 » by wang000hk » Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:25 am

almost famous wrote:I for one have wanted to trade Melo 3 years ago. Awesome player and a decent guy off the court, but doesn't seem to have the leadership or drive to be the center of a team. Before this off-season, I cursed the Cavs every day for beating the Nuggets in the lottery when our records were the same, but now I just feel pity for them.

Frankly, I'm a little shocked at Melo. I didn't think he'd ever be the one to force his way out. He whined about hearing his name in trades a few years ago, which weren't true, and often said that he wanted to be Elway in this town (Still a lmao to me). Now he wants out because he says he doesn't have enough help? He knows the handicap we have with Kenyon. We have no problems scoring, we filled the leadership role that he couldn't fill with Billups, and we just improved our front court depth. If he wants some defensive help, maybe he should set a **** example. Apart from JR, he's easily the worst defender on the team. Hell, sometimes it's a coin toss between those two.

In what way? If you think Al Harrington is the improvement we needed,then say good luck for this team beating healthy Jazz,Lakers,Blazers,Rockets,Spurs in the playoff until you get a real frontcourt help
All Al Harrington will contribute to the team is his outside shooting and scoring off the bench,much like LK's role in the previous years.Do you think Al Harrington will help with his already weak rebounding and lack of length?
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Post#166 » by eathb_au » Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:30 am

I think Al will add another dimension to the team's offense.

I say good luck to teams that want to double Melo with Harrington sitting at the 3pt line. Even better is that it takes away bigger bodies away from the paint so that it makes it easier for Melo/CB to get FTs or layups.

But yes our frontcourt will be small again. I would've signed Kwame Brown over Shelden Williams but oh well.

Our biggest asset in our WCF run was that our bench was damn good. Harrington is an upgrade over LK and now we have a 9 man rotation which should help in the long run. Sucks that the FO traded Hunter and a first for the TE last season though... I believed that Hunter + 1st could've been used to get a proper big (not Malik Allen) and not overplay KMart and Bird.
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Post#167 » by almost famous » Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:53 am

Dude, not that it has much to do with my point, but I said we improved our front court depth. I didn't say we found the answer. He's another body who has talent and can play the position, which improves our depth.
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Post#168 » by pickaxe » Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:59 pm

Yeah Al is definitely a quality addition by all means. The only other depth that is really needed are a couple of giants who when on the court do not give up leads. They do not have to be offensively perfect.....but they have to be solid defensively so as to eat up minutes when and where it is needed.

This team with Melo does not lack for talent - it's just when the front line is thin it drains the overall output of what this team is capable of. Getting just enough time to grab that second wind for the starters is all we're talking about.
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Post#169 » by PetrieUnderstudy » Sun Aug 29, 2010 3:25 pm

I cannot tell you what every Nuggets fan wants, but what I want for Melo in a perfect world is

A young big with real potential to be a 20 and 10 with good defense.

A young SG/SF, that can be a solid all around type guy.

A couple of extra picks, one with the chance to be a high lotto pick.

I am sure the Nuggets would like to take back less money then they send out, but I think that may be at the end of the list.

Overall the Nuggets are slated to have less then $30 million in guaranteed salary next year, and that could turn into less then $20 million. Without any big name free agents, I don't see them as being desperate for expiring contracts, but they are not going to take back a bad deal in a Melo trade.[/quote]


First off I come in peace as a Kings fan. With what you want in return for Melo I can see the Nuggets managements thinking the same way and that's why Nets, Twolves & Kings mentioned.

Nets have Lopez & Favors for your big request (not sure if they'd be willing to part with Lopez, maybe a Terrence Williams for young versatile SG/SF and they could offer maybe 2 unprotected 1st's.

TWolves have Love & Beasley, Wesley Johnson, two 1st's.

Kings could offer Thompson or Landry, Casspi, & two 1st's.

All 3 can offer cap space with their proposals. With that said, what deal would you take? I'd think Nets won't trade Lopez. Favors & Williams? Love & Johnson? Landry & Casspi?
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Post#170 » by the_warden » Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:44 pm

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Nets have Lopez & Favors for your big request (not sure if they'd be willing to part with Lopez, maybe a Terrence Williams for young versatile SG/SF and they could offer maybe 2 unprotected 1st's.

TWolves have Love & Beasley, Wesley Johnson, two 1st's.

Kings could offer Thompson or Landry, Casspi, & two 1st's.


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Post#171 » by DaFan334 » Sun Aug 29, 2010 5:19 pm

Melo might be in a little trouble after posting on his twitter account a 5k reward for anyone who slaps the **** out of kat stacks.

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Post#172 » by corona » Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:21 am

that type of stuff almost makes me happy he's forcing his way out.

show melo/kmart/jr the door and give me some young guys with character so we don't have to deal with fights and sulking and dui's and late night partying and all that crap.
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Post#173 » by melo mvp 15 » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:02 pm

This article is pretty good... I think it actually summarizes the Melo situation pretty well...

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=17202
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Post#174 » by pickaxe » Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:27 pm

Uh apparently that's not the end of it......read Kat Stacks' twitter....
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Post#175 » by milehigh » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:30 pm

corona wrote:that type of stuff almost makes me happy he's forcing his way out.

show melo/kmart/jr the door and give me some young guys with character so we don't have to deal with fights and sulking and dui's and late night partying and all that crap.


Exactly it would be nice to have people that actually want to be here as well. This team is going to look a lot different after the 2011 summer. Interesting time to be a Nugget fan.
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Post#176 » by KnickRider » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:54 pm

milehighman wrote:
corona wrote:that type of stuff almost makes me happy he's forcing his way out.

show melo/kmart/jr the door and give me some young guys with character so we don't have to deal with fights and sulking and dui's and late night partying and all that crap.


Exactly it would be nice to have people that actually want to be here as well. This team is going to look a lot different after the 2011 summer. Interesting time to be a Nugget fan.


I wouldnt bash melo like that. You cant completely blame him after watching the show lebron bosh and wade put on. After watching their example he does have some legit excuses. Cant say anything for JR and Kmart.
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Post#177 » by milehigh » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:22 pm

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milehighman wrote:
corona wrote:that type of stuff almost makes me happy he's forcing his way out.

show melo/kmart/jr the door and give me some young guys with character so we don't have to deal with fights and sulking and dui's and late night partying and all that crap.


Exactly it would be nice to have people that actually want to be here as well. This team is going to look a lot different after the 2011 summer. Interesting time to be a Nugget fan.


I wouldnt bash melo like that. You cant completely blame him after watching the show lebron bosh and wade put on. After watching their example he does have some legit excuses. Cant say anything for JR and Kmart.


I appreciate what Melo has done for the franchise in his 7 years here and I have never bashed Melo. I have defended him in times when many wouldn't. Since you are a Knick fan I'm sure it wasn't too long ago that you were bashing him. I just want players that want to be here, end of story.
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Post#178 » by KnickRider » Tue Aug 31, 2010 11:27 pm

I appreciate what Melo has done for the franchise in his 7 years here and I have never bashed Melo. I have defended him in times when many wouldn't. Since you are a Knick fan I'm sure it wasn't too long ago that you were bashing him. I just want players that want to be here, end of story.[/quote]


i feel you on that part. thats why i wasnt mad when we didnt get lebron and could welcome amare with open arms. and i will never forget sitting at the martini bar in NC with a bunch of my friends during the FIGHT. ill also never forget him bringing a chip the cuse either. either way it goes i just hope this doesnt end up as messed up as the Lebron fiasco
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Post#179 » by Unt0uchabl3 » Thu Sep 2, 2010 8:51 pm

I hope melo stay with you guys, i would hate to see him leave to go to new york. I would like to see denver vs miami finals instead of the lakers. Hope you guys can beat the lakers and keep melo. goodluck denver
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Post#180 » by pickaxe » Thu Sep 2, 2010 9:02 pm

Well, one thing NY is going to want to see is exactly where are they now with the pieces they have already. When Boston came together they already had Pierce working there for a while and then a couple of stars and numerous role players came on in. You may want to gauge your strength first anyway.

LeBron and Bosh going into Miami.....DWade's been there for a while. Can't really think of a marquee guy that hung out in NY for a while except now you got Amare....to get to that perfected team it's going to take some building.
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