three guard rotation that includes wall and gil

BruceO · Post #1 » by **BruceO** » Wed Sep 1, 2010 1:31 pm

I am thinking who would be a perfect rotation for the playoffs if you have gil and wall. Who covers for their weaknesses the most and compliments them.

My ideal rotation would be Wall and Gil starts and if I rest wall and go with Gil I play josh howard alongside gil. Primary reason is because the only reason Gil would not be at the two for that moment is lack of size against the kobe's of this league. josh howard would be able to play alongside him and cover the size while providing slashing ability and ability to defend and get to the line.

Nick young would seem more ideal next to john wall because he can provide outside shooting between the three choices of Hinrich, Howard and himself. Howard next to Wall would mean no outside ability and more pure slashing. Problem with Nick young is he is inconsistent. He shows up for some games and doesn't for others. He has also been one dimensional.

Hinrich on the other hand will be mediocre. I think he will be Deshawn stevenson 2.0. At his price I hope we use him to make moves during the season once we can establish the back courts ability to play without hinrich.

Post #2 » by **nate33** » Wed Sep 1, 2010 1:47 pm

I still have high hopes for Young. I think he played very well over the second half of the season and has, for two seasons now, been among the team leaders in on/off differential. He isn't a stat-stuffer, but he makes open 3's and defends his man. That's the kind of role player that is needed alongside Arenas, Wall and Blatche. As long as Young continues to avoid pounding the ball, he's a very good fit. The only hole in his game that really hurts us is his lack of rebounding.

I think Young would be a better fit as the 3rd guard than either Hinrich or Howard. Hinrich is too small to defend big SG's and his 3-point shot has become a bit suspect. Howard can't shoot 3's and he no longer has the quickness to guard NBA shooting guards.

I fear that Young won't really get a chance this year with so much money invested in Hinrich. I think the best move for this team would be to trade Hinrich for a goon who can start at center.

BruceO · Post #3 » by **BruceO** » Wed Sep 1, 2010 2:09 pm

I agree with you nate. I have also been a huge fan of nick since day one. What frightens me about him and Javale is that some areas of their game don't seem to develop. Like it concerns me that Nick doesn't seem to rebound. That may be a result of where he is during sets. It just perplexes me. He has the prototype size and ability in the offensive end. His defensive ability is coming along but the one play I always see against him is the pick and roll. That beats him a good deal of the time.

My biggest concern this season among the guards is that behind wall and gil we may find that the help they have is either inconsistent or mediocre. If i was to take away the rose colored glasses there's a good chance hinrich will be mediocre, there will be a good chance Nick will be inconsistent and one dimensional, there is also a good chance Howards injury will not be completely behind him and based on his last two seasons his best days seem behind him.

My concern among the starters gil and wall is how they will share the ball. Both of them have had games with huge turnovers so my concern among them is how to limit this. outside of that how the bench will help against Big guard lineups.

In the playoffs there will be a shorter rotation. For maximum output i'd probably play both gil and wall and leave one of them on the floor with the bench. For instance Gil plays pg because he's our best backup point alongside someone with size.

This playoff will allow me to examine for the second post season straight whether teams guard play is determined by a three guard rotation that has to contribute. Also I believe the PF/ C rotation is best served by a three player rotation.

By my saying this I am saying in most teams you only have to look at the top three guards and top three bigs to see who has the advantage. The rest is fluff. Unless one of the fluff can step in and fill in for a player that isn't contributing within these three people rotation.

hands11 · Post #4 » by **hands11** » Thu Sep 2, 2010 1:11 am

It depends on who they have and it depends greatly on what Nick shows this year.

doclinkin · Post #5 » by **doclinkin** » Thu Sep 2, 2010 2:40 am

Put me on the Nick toboggan as well. I just like the kid. He's a slow learner, but with the simplified role in Flip's system (run past screens until you're free, then shoot as soon as you get the ball) and his man-on defense, it's not beyond him to succeed.

Even the zone system is pretty easy, you guard your man one-on-one until he leaves your area. Cheat to the ball side to cut off passing lanes. Not too tough to remember that.

The one thing Nick does pretty well is the hardest thing in the game: score. Any good coach can find a role for this sort of player. And it's not like he's an ass or a real distraction. If anything he's just too good-natured.

dangermouse · Post #6 » by **dangermouse** » Thu Sep 2, 2010 2:56 am

Hinrich as DeShawn 2.0? Ouch. Unless you mean DeShawn circa back when he was actually pretty decent next to Arenas, because I would take that DeShawn back for sure.

Im hoping Hiney is better though, not for the win column but for his trade value to a PG starved team.

verbal8 · Post #7 » by **verbal8** » Thu Sep 2, 2010 6:58 pm

dangermouse wrote:Hinrich as DeShawn 2.0? Ouch. Unless you mean DeShawn circa back when he was actually pretty decent next to Arenas, because I would take that DeShawn back for sure.

Im hoping Hiney is better though, not for the win column but for his trade value to a PG starved team.

Last season was Hinrich's worst season and it was pretty close to DeShawn's best. I think DeShawn's best season would be a reasonable approxiamation of Hinrich's contributions this season. I hope that Nick Young plays well enough to make Hinrich expendable. There should be some minutes available at SF early in the season for Young to prove himself.

GoneShammGone · Post #8 » by **GoneShammGone** » Thu Sep 2, 2010 7:16 pm

verbal8 wrote:
dangermouse wrote:Hinrich as DeShawn 2.0? Ouch. Unless you mean DeShawn circa back when he was actually pretty decent next to Arenas, because I would take that DeShawn back for sure.

Im hoping Hiney is better though, not for the win column but for his trade value to a PG starved team.

Last season was Hinrich's worst season and it was pretty close to DeShawn's best. I think DeShawn's best season would be a reasonable approxiamation of Hinrich's contributions this season. I hope that Nick Young plays well enough to make Hinrich expendable. There should be some minutes available at SF early in the season for Young to prove himself.

I'd love to see NY play well and earn minutes as the third guard in the rotation... but I don't expect it to happen. It seems to me that Flip is not the kind of coach who can tolerate the inevitable mental breakdowns come with playing young, inexperienced players like NY, Dray and McGee. Last year he only gave these guys playing time when he really had no other choice. Dray and McGee are lucky this year, because there are literally no alternatives at PF and C for Flip to turn to. But with veterans like Hinrich and Howard sitting on the bench, I can't see Flip giving a goofball like NY any burn at all. IMO, the only chance he has to see significant minutes is due to injury.