Jermaine O'Neal

Dirty Water · Post #1 » by **Dirty Water** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 2:56 am

He is going to get a lot of minutes early on in the season. I really haven't been following him very much since we saw a lot of him and the Pacers back in the playoffs in 04 and 05 which is about when he was really coming into his own. Does he have bad knees? Is that why his production has been dropping? All I know is that he was a ghost in the Heat series last season.

Does he still have that nice KG type midrange J that he shoots over people? Can he rebound at a modest level? The rebounding is something we could use. Maybe someone who's been watching him can clue me in. I was wondering why we threw our entire MLE at him.

What can we expect out of JO?

Leprechaun18 · Post #2 » by **Leprechaun18** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 4:34 am

I think both O'Neals are gonna excell offensively. If teams double Jermain or Shaq then KG or BB are wide open. The Celtics can have two scoring bigs on the floor at all times. How many teams have two good low post defenders? Most teams are lucky if they got one good low post defender. Even if a team has two good low post defenders, they are gonna need rest at some point.

1TIMEFORYAMIND · Post #3 » by **1TIMEFORYAMIND** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:30 am

I watched JO a lot when he was with the Raptors. His defense is still amazing at his age, he can block and intimidate players, which will fit perfectly with KG and the Celtics D. He has a decent jumper, however, as he was injured for some time with the Raptors his shot didn't look as good as it would have been. I remember there was a stretch where he was playing amazing and all of sudden the Raptors traded him as BC was thinking of bringing another mission to Toronto. Even in his Miami days, he still is a decent player, just hope he stays healthy.

Roscoe Sheed · Post #4 » by **Roscoe Sheed** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:39 am

I think almost all of his problems are injury related. He actually looked good for a substantial part of last season. I heard that he suffered an injury before the Celtics series

Kefa461 · Post #5 » by **Kefa461** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:47 pm

Danny said it was an ankle injury.....

8-)

CelticTillDeath · Post #6 » by **CelticTillDeath** » Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:20 pm

JO is an upgrade over Perk even if Perk was 100% healthy. JO has an offensive game similar to KGs, he can hit the mid range, the turn around jumper, and he has a strong upper body that allows him to make space to create a shot while in the post. Just think of how many times you have seen Rondo, Paul, or KG drive the lane to dish it off to an open Perk under the basket, and all Perk does is about 5 up fakes and miss the shot. You wont be seeing that with JO on the floor because hes more agile, athletic, and a better finisher then Perk. On defense hes no slouch either. In fact up untill last season with Miami he average AT LEAST 2 blocks or more a game the previous 10 seasons. Hes always amongst the league leaders in that category. His one on one defense is very good as well. The same way he uses his upper body strength on offense to create space, he does the same on defense. Hes able to keep PF's and C's away from the basket and out of their comfort zone. Hes also known for being a "Dwight Container" much like Sheed and Perk. The only question i have about JO is what hes going to bring on on the rebounding side of things. The past three seasons with the Pacers, Raptors, and Heat hes only averaging about 6.7 rpg. Clearly for a guy with his size he should be getting more then 7 rpg. His last really good rebounding year was 06 when he averaged 9.6 rpg. Now the drop in rebounding production could be due to two things, the 1st is his minutes per game have dropped to below 30 the last 3 previous seasons, and the second is the numerous injuries this guy has faced over his career. Either way there's still questions at rebounding with JO. Seeing where that was our downfall last season, i think that's why we still pursued and signed Shaq as well to help crash the boards and for insurance should JO get injured before Perk comes back. If i had to predict a JO stat line for this upcoming season it would probably look something like this...29 mpg 12 ppg 7 rpg 1.8 bpg on about 50% shooting.

yodi184 · Post #7 » by **yodi184** » Thu Sep 2, 2010 12:01 am

Well the key thing is not let our C's get to the free throw line. Shaq and JO have been perenially bad free throw shooters. Last year was an aberration for JO. And you know Rondo won't change his FT anytime soon

Post #8 » by **tlee324** » Thu Sep 2, 2010 2:09 am

I think JO fits well as the 4th or 5th scorer with that starting unit and brings even more than Shaq defensively with KG. He won't need to be a go-to player but still someone who is capable of doing damage if they leave him alone.

Dirty Water · Post #9 » by **Dirty Water** » Thu Sep 2, 2010 3:57 am

So how would you compare his post up game's to Rasheed Wallace? Sheed was pretty good down there, but problem was he rarely tried to go down there.

hard work · Post #10 » by **hard work** » Thu Sep 2, 2010 4:06 am

I feel like I'm the only one that thinks Shaq should start at center.

yeah Shaq will have trouble defending the pick but one on one he's very good. He's also a playmaker in the low post, something Jermaine is not. Shaq also gives a better offensive AND defensive balance than Jermaine does.

joeysicko · Post #11 » by **joeysicko** » Thu Sep 2, 2010 5:34 am

CelticTillDeath wrote:JO is an upgrade over Perk even if Perk was 100% healthy. JO has an offensive game similar to KGs, he can hit the mid range, the turn around jumper, and he has a strong upper body that allows him to make space to create a shot while in the post. Just think of how many times you have seen Rondo, Paul, or KG drive the lane to dish it off to an open Perk under the basket, and all Perk does is about 5 up fakes and miss the shot. You wont be seeing that with JO on the floor because hes more agile, athletic, and a better finisher then Perk. On defense hes no slouch either. In fact up untill last season with Miami he average AT LEAST 2 blocks or more a game the previous 10 seasons. Hes always amongst the league leaders in that category. His one on one defense is very good as well. The same way he uses his upper body strength on offense to create space, he does the same on defense. Hes able to keep PF's and C's away from the basket and out of their comfort zone. Hes also known for being a "Dwight Container" much like Sheed and Perk. The only question i have about JO is what hes going to bring on on the rebounding side of things. The past three seasons with the Pacers, Raptors, and Heat hes only averaging about 6.7 rpg. Clearly for a guy with his size he should be getting more then 7 rpg. His last really good rebounding year was 06 when he averaged 9.6 rpg. Now the drop in rebounding production could be due to two things, the 1st is his minutes per game have dropped to below 30 the last 3 previous seasons, and the second is the numerous injuries this guy has faced over his career. Either way there's still questions at rebounding with JO. Seeing where that was our downfall last season, i think that's why we still pursued and signed Shaq as well to help crash the boards and for insurance should JO get injured before Perk comes back. If i had to predict a JO stat line for this upcoming season it would probably look something like this...29 mpg 12 ppg 7 rpg 1.8 bpg on about 50% shooting.

wrong.

CelticTillDeath · Post #12 » by **CelticTillDeath** » Thu Sep 2, 2010 6:22 am

joeysicko wrote:
CelticTillDeath wrote:JO is an upgrade over Perk even if Perk was 100% healthy. JO has an offensive game similar to KGs, he can hit the mid range, the turn around jumper, and he has a strong upper body that allows him to make space to create a shot while in the post. Just think of how many times you have seen Rondo, Paul, or KG drive the lane to dish it off to an open Perk under the basket, and all Perk does is about 5 up fakes and miss the shot. You wont be seeing that with JO on the floor because hes more agile, athletic, and a better finisher then Perk. On defense hes no slouch either. In fact up until last season with Miami he average AT LEAST 2 blocks or more a game the previous 10 seasons. Hes always amongst the league leaders in that category. His one on one defense is very good as well. The same way he uses his upper body strength on offense to create space, he does the same on defense. Hes able to keep PF's and C's away from the basket and out of their comfort zone. Hes also known for being a "Dwight Container" much like Sheed and Perk. The only question i have about JO is what hes going to bring on on the rebounding side of things. The past three seasons with the Pacers, Raptors, and Heat hes only averaging about 6.7 rpg. Clearly for a guy with his size he should be getting more then 7 rpg. His last really good rebounding year was 06 when he averaged 9.6 rpg. Now the drop in rebounding production could be due to two things, the 1st is his minutes per game have dropped to below 30 the last 3 previous seasons, and the second is the numerous injuries this guy has faced over his career. Either way there's still questions at rebounding with JO. Seeing where that was our downfall last season, i think that's why we still pursued and signed Shaq as well to help crash the boards and for insurance should JO get injured before Perk comes back. If i had to predict a JO stat line for this upcoming season it would probably look something like this...29 mpg 12 ppg 7 rpg 1.8 bpg on about 50% shooting.

wrong.

Hahaha, care to elaborate? What did i say that's "wrong"? :lol:

tugs · Post #13 » by **tugs** » Thu Sep 2, 2010 7:43 am

CelticTillDeath wrote:
joeysicko wrote:
CelticTillDeath wrote:JO is an upgrade over Perk even if Perk was 100% healthy. JO has an offensive game similar to KGs, he can hit the mid range, the turn around jumper, and he has a strong upper body that allows him to make space to create a shot while in the post. Just think of how many times you have seen Rondo, Paul, or KG drive the lane to dish it off to an open Perk under the basket, and all Perk does is about 5 up fakes and miss the shot. You wont be seeing that with JO on the floor because hes more agile, athletic, and a better finisher then Perk. On defense hes no slouch either. In fact up until last season with Miami he average AT LEAST 2 blocks or more a game the previous 10 seasons. Hes always amongst the league leaders in that category. His one on one defense is very good as well. The same way he uses his upper body strength on offense to create space, he does the same on defense. Hes able to keep PF's and C's away from the basket and out of their comfort zone. Hes also known for being a "Dwight Container" much like Sheed and Perk. The only question i have about JO is what hes going to bring on on the rebounding side of things. The past three seasons with the Pacers, Raptors, and Heat hes only averaging about 6.7 rpg. Clearly for a guy with his size he should be getting more then 7 rpg. His last really good rebounding year was 06 when he averaged 9.6 rpg. Now the drop in rebounding production could be due to two things, the 1st is his minutes per game have dropped to below 30 the last 3 previous seasons, and the second is the numerous injuries this guy has faced over his career. Either way there's still questions at rebounding with JO. Seeing where that was our downfall last season, i think that's why we still pursued and signed Shaq as well to help crash the boards and for insurance should JO get injured before Perk comes back. If i had to predict a JO stat line for this upcoming season it would probably look something like this...29 mpg 12 ppg 7 rpg 1.8 bpg on about 50% shooting.

wrong.

Hahaha, care to elaborate? What did i say that's "wrong"?

could've used spaces to separate paragraphs. :lol:

i read it through and the only thing wrong with what you said is if your predictions were incorrect after the 10-11 season.

post is right on. JO, though now aged, still fills up the stat sheet. and the comparison between Perk is money. the only part of their games that Perk>JO is rebounding, especially offensive rebounds.i rarely see JO go after the ball after missed shots unlike Perk.

vanillacoke4234 · Post #14 » by **vanillacoke4234** » Thu Sep 2, 2010 3:18 pm

Keep in mind he's only 31...

CelticTillDeath · Post #15 » by **CelticTillDeath** » Thu Sep 2, 2010 5:47 pm

guds wrote:
could've used spaces to separate paragraphs.

i read it through and the only thing wrong with what you said is if your predictions were incorrect after the 10-11 season.

post is right on. JO, though now aged, still fills up the stat sheet. and the comparison between Perk is money. the only part of their games that Perk>JO is rebounding, especially offensive rebounds.i rarely see JO go after the ball after missed shots unlike Perk.

Hahaha i was actually gonna ask if he was talking about my predictions, but im not wrong on those yet either seeing as the season isn't over let alone started 8-)

.

Unt0uchabl3 · Post #16 » by **Unt0uchabl3** » Fri Sep 3, 2010 12:47 am

vanillacoke4234 wrote:Keep in mind he's only 31...

with a body of a 40 year old, JO is not what you think he is, not even close.

nbacardDOTnet · Post #17 » by **nbacardDOTnet** » Fri Sep 3, 2010 1:43 am

In 2009-10 season

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdFe_-PJNT8[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOm6ZqkNSMs[/youtube]

Post #18 » by **Geoffrey P** » Fri Sep 3, 2010 1:59 am

Howard would be so **** if Perk were healthy.

joeysicko · Post #19 » by **joeysicko** » Sun Sep 5, 2010 12:23 am

boy i'm sure that montage took a while to create but see, anyone can find a picture of a washed up player having good moments...

Cyclical · Post #20 » by **Cyclical** » Sun Sep 5, 2010 2:22 am

I think he'll do fine. Better than Perk against some opponents, worst against others. He doesn't have the 1-on-1 defensive skills that Perk has. Nowhere near. We'll miss that every once in a while but I think he'll mesh in well. I'm really looking forward to seeing which combos thrive the most KG-JO, KG-Shaq, JO-Baby, JO-Shaq, Shaq-Baby. No one can predict the future but one thing is for sure - we have the most intriguing front court in the league. By far. Can't wait for this thing to start.