Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez

[Ortho Stice]

I would rather have the next Predrag Stojakovic, Danilo Gallinari . He too gels his hair, yet not aerodynamically. But spiking it up makes him look bigger and more intimidating. He plays with tenacity. Unfortunately Am'are is his teammate, not Webber or Divac, so he won't receive sweet passes from the post, but as an assassin he'll find a way to murder.

Lopez is closer to Kaman than he is to Oden. Centers like that are meh. Good offensively, sure, but weak in rebounding and defense. If I were the Nets I would trade him now while he's still considered the next Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and gather young talent to surround their better big prospect, Derrick Favors. Perhaps Lopez Abdul-Jabbar for James Harden and Serge Ibaka. Thunder get their elusive center, while the Nets get two players who are each potentially better than Lopez.

[therealbig3]

But you won 23 games twice in the last 5 years. That's consistent terribleness. Let's combine the win total of those two seasons, since they were your two worst seasons in the last 5 years. Let's combine the win total of our two worst seasons in the last 5 years, which would be the 12 win season and one of the 34 win season. We both have won 46 games if you combine our two worst seasons. So, the Nets needed to win 12 games in order for the Knicks' worst seasons to even measure up to our worst seasons.

[therealbig3]

I would rather have the next Predrag Stojakovic, Danilo Gallinari . He too gels his hair, yet not aerodynamically. But spiking it up makes him look bigger and more intimidating. He plays with tenacity. Unfortunately Am'are is his teammate, not Webber or Divac, so he won't receive sweet passes from the post, but as an assassin he'll find a way to murder.

Lopez is closer to Kaman than he is to Oden. Centers like that are meh. Good offensively, sure, but weak in rebounding and defense. If I were the Nets I would trade him now while he's still considered the next Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and gather young talent to surround their better big prospect, Derrick Favors. Perhaps Lopez Abdul-Jabbar for James Harden and Serge Ibaka. Thunder get their elusive center, while the Nets get two players who are each potentially better than Lopez.

And Stoudemire is what exactly? Lopez is much better than Stoudemire defensively.

[Ortho Stice]

I would rather have the next Predrag Stojakovic, Danilo Gallinari . He too gels his hair, yet not aerodynamically. But spiking it up makes him look bigger and more intimidating. He plays with tenacity. Unfortunately Am'are is his teammate, not Webber or Divac, so he won't receive sweet passes from the post, but as an assassin he'll find a way to murder.

Lopez is closer to Kaman than he is to Oden. Centers like that are meh. Good offensively, sure, but weak in rebounding and defense. If I were the Nets I would trade him now while he's still considered the next Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and gather young talent to surround their better big prospect, Derrick Favors. Perhaps Lopez Abdul-Jabbar for James Harden and Serge Ibaka. Thunder get their elusive center, while the Nets get two players who are each potentially better than Lopez.

And Stoudemire is what exactly? Lopez is much better than Stoudemire defensively.

Did you mean to respond to someone else instead? Otherwise that's quite the non sequitur. Sure, Lopez is better than Stoudemire defensively. When did I say otherwise?

[therealbig3]

I was responding to you saying Lopez wasn't very good at rebounding and defense, when Stoudemire is the same way. At least Lopez is better defensively than Stoudemire is. If I made the wrong assumption that you're a Knicks fan, then I apologize. But if you are a Knicks fan, then I think it's a little hypocritical you're going to criticize those aspects of Lopez's game, when your newly acquired free agent is just as or even more deficient in those areas.

BTW, Lopez Abdul-Jabbar has a nice ring to it.

[THROWBACK_91]

A much better question, that was asked on the Knicks board, is "would you trade Gallo for Lopez"

The problem with making a Gallo comparison is that last year was essentially Gallo's rookie year. 2008-2009 he virtually didn't play and when he did play, he was in pain.

On Gallo's back, it seems fine. He had minor surgery and he said the pain was gone when he started playing again. He was healthy all last year.


So, Gallo is a bit of an unknown unless you watch his game and go from there. Lopez, we have a better idea of who he is.

Both guys are still young too. Lopez, 22 years, 6 months when this season starts, Gallo 22 years, 1 month.

Please c
It's a bad comparison to make. Different positions, and young players where both may have upside we haven't seen yet.


I think Gallo's a lot better than non Knick fans seem to realize. I don't know how good Lopez is cause I don't watch the nets.

Change your sig knicks fan Gallo is 1 tier below Brook

[Ortho Stice]

I was responding to you saying Lopez wasn't very good at rebounding and defense, when Stoudemire is the same way. At least Lopez is better defensively than Stoudemire is. If I made the wrong assumption that you're a Knicks fan, then I apologize. But if you are a Knicks fan, then I think it's a little hypocritical you're going to criticize those aspects of Lopez's game, when your newly acquired free agent is just as or even more deficient in those areas.

You made the wrong assumption. But even if I were a Knicks fan my post wouldn't have been hypocritical, since I didn't express my opinion on Stoudemire's defense and rebounding. If you want to randomly attack a Knicks fan, then I'm the wrong person.

[moocow007]

Help settle a debate, the Knicks fans I've talked to are adamant that Gallinari is a vastly superior player than Lopez and a significantly better building block than Brook Lopez.

I think Lopez is the better player, with more potential, and a brighter future.

Am I being a homer?

No, but you're exaggerating things. "Knick fans I've talked to are adamant that Gallinari is a vastly superior player than Lopez and significantly better building block than Brook Lopez"? If by "talking to" you mean lurking on the thread on the Knick board, what you have is Knick fans split on who they would rather have but just about everyone agreeing that Lopez is the better player right now.

If you feel the need for other people to agree with you that's fine, but don't exaggerate what hasn't been said by the vast majority of Knick fans to get your point across. That's juvenile.

[moocow007]

Are Knicks fans even arguing this? smh it's not even close, it's like comparing Chris Bosh with Defence to Kyle Korver, Knicks fans should relax and let Gallo do something other then jacking up 7 3's a game.

The OP has...in true revisionist form twisted the "opinion" of Knick fans he's talked to (hint: he hasn't talked to any of them but apparently is being p-d off by a thread on the Knicks forum) where the bulk of the talk is about Lopez being better now but that Knick fans feel that Gallinari would be better off in the long run (and a better fit for the system). It's not about Knick fans saying that Gallinari is >>>>>>>>>>>> Lopez as he's portraying it. But yes, if Knick fans said Gallinari is >>>>>>>>>>>>Lopez then you guys have every right to be shocked.

[THROWBACK_91]

Are Knicks fans even arguing this? smh it's not even close, it's like comparing Chris Bosh with Defence to Kyle Korver, Knicks fans should relax and let Gallo do something other then jacking up 7 3's a game.

The OP has...in true revisionist form twisted the "opinion" of Knick fans he's talked to (hint: he hasn't talked to any of them but apparently is being p-d off by a thread on the Knicks forum) where the bulk of the talk is about Lopez being better now but that Knick fans feel that Gallinari would be better off in the long run (and a better fit for the system). It's not about Knick fans saying that Gallinari is >>>>>>>>>>>> Lopez as he's portraying it. But yes, if Knick fans said Gallinari is >>>>>>>>>>>>Lopez then you guys have every right to be shocked.

One of the Knicks fans (i think he's a retired mod) has specifically 'Danilo Gallinari is better than Lopez'. I have a right to be shocked.

[method]

But you won 23 games twice in the last 5 years. That's consistent terribleness. Let's combine the win total of those two seasons, since they were your two worst seasons in the last 5 years. Let's combine the win total of our two worst seasons in the last 5 years, which would be the 12 win season and one of the 34 win season. We both have won 46 games if you combine our two worst seasons. So, the Nets needed to win 12 games in order for the Knicks' worst seasons to even measure up to our worst seasons.

Yes we have went though the worse point in our franchise history.EVERY franchise goes through this.Look at the Celtics between Bird to Pierce/Walker to Garnett look at the Bulls between Jordan/Pip and Deng/Gordan and look at the Nets before Kidd and after.

Yeah the Nets history is pretty bad,just because your winning seasons where not as long as ours doesnt mean crap.We will see who starts winning first,I put my money on the Knicks how about you?

[Luv those Knicks]

Change your sig knicks fan Gallo is 1 tier below Brook

not according to the poll in this thread.

[nyczlegacy]

Lets all revisit this thread by half the season this year and see how easily its Lopez, all right?

Oh, we're going to. And I am most definitely going to give a hardy laugh when the Nets are on pace for another below 20 win season so we can all recognize how hollow Brook's stats really are.

Just one thing, Knicks fans have absolutely no right to rag on the Nets. Ok, we had a historically bad season last year, winning 12 games. We preceded that by two seasons of 34 wins each. The last time the Knicks won 34+ games? The 03-04 season, when they won 39 games and got swept in the first round by none other than the Nets. Before the 34 win seasons, the Nets made the playoffs 6 straight years, including 2 Finals appearances, and they won 41+ games each year. The last time the Knicks won 41+ games was the 00-01 season. I don't know about you, but over a 9-year stretch, I would rather have 6 good to great seasons, two bad seasons, and 1 horrific season over 9 just plain bad seasons. And is winning 12 games really all that much worse than winning 23 games twice, which the Knicks did in 05-06 and 07-08? The Nets have been far superior to the Knicks this decade, so let's not cherry pick our worst season and try to insult the team, especially when your team has done nothing of relevance the past decade.

What does any of that have to do with BLopez and his 12 wins.

NOTHING HOMER

[mikhailjordan]

No, but you're exaggerating things. "Knick fans I've talked to are adamant that Gallinari is a vastly superior player than Lopez and significantly better building block than Brook Lopez"? If by "talking to" you mean lurking on the thread on the Knick board, what you have is Knick fans split on who they would rather have but just about everyone agreeing that Lopez is the better player right now.

If you feel the need for other people to agree with you that's fine, but don't exaggerate what hasn't been said by the vast majority of Knick fans to get your point across. That's juvenile.

- I have friends in real life.
- I speak with these friends.
- Some of these friends are Knicks fans.
- The real life friends I speak with who are Knicks fans are adamant that Gallinari is significantly better than Brook Lopez.

I hope that makes sense, if not let me know and I'll try to reword things for you.

[azuresou1]

I'd say that Gallinari has more talent than Brook Lopez. I would still much rather have Brook Lopez simply due to positional scarcity.

[ipoopinmypants]

@ the obscenely blind bias oozing from this thread.

[TheOUTLAW]

I think without question Lopez is the better player. I'm baffled how quickly this poll went from Lopez in a big way to Gallinari.

[sixerswillrule]

I think without question Lopez is the better player. I'm baffled how quickly this poll went from Lopez in a big way to Gallinari.

[Luv those Knicks]

I have a bit of a pet peve with comparing young players. I like comparing guys who are established, rather than comparing some guy based soley on his first real season of play.

I understand that sometimes, it's OK to compare a guy like Durrant, cause he had a monster year, and maybe he gets even better, maybe he doesn't, but guys like Beasley, Anthony Randolph, Gallinari - I don't like to see them make comparison threads, cause, they're still unknowns.

The general idea is that both Gallo and Lopez, and young players like them can show improvment. So, I think it's too early for them to enter player comparison threads, but, that's just an issue I have. Gallo especially since he's younger than Lopez and Gallo missed most of his rookie year. He's a wait and see player, not a lets make comparisons player. I think it's better to compare apples to apples, or, if nothing else, at least, compare rookie season to rookie season, given equal playing time.

My sig is basically a response to some of the stuff I've read in this thread, not so much a statement of what I believe. My belief is that, we should wait and see.

[Ron Harper]

lol you knick fans are shameless