Melo?

[perezident]

I'm inclined to want to pass for other reasons. Carmelo is "old legacy" We need to create our own legacy with new fresh players. Look at the Thunder for ex. they have new legacy players who don't have mileage that is, Durant Westbrook, Harden, Maynor and now Aldrich. We have the ability to create a new legacy with new players and players who would make a name for themselves as Kings players. No disrespect to Melo or any other star out there worth trading for. My point is as ICMTM pointed out, Tyreke is only maybe 1-1/2 seasons away from impacting the game like Melo does it. What we need is for Tyreke to become a floor general and have our players (JT Casspi and Donte) step up find themself and grow where they are planted.

This season is the measuring stick to how well we could/will be soon. We must remember we're rebuilding and should remain patient. Sometimes opportunities come forth where you can jumpstart the process but in this case, I feel we should stand pat. If all else fails this season, then we could make a push for Melo in the offseason. But for now, although this is a business, we should give Donte and Casspi the benefit of the doubt, and give them a chance and not throw them under the bus because Melo all of the sudden is in the picture..... Just my little thought on the matter

[RekeHavoc]

what will the kings offer the Nuggets for Melo without an extension? Knicks would give up

Landry Fields
Wilson Chandler
Kelenna Azubuike
2014 first round pick
GS 2011 2nd round pick
GS 2012 2nd round pick

would the Kings give up 3 good young players, a first round pick, 2 potentially very good 2nd round picks(it will be a long time before GS starts winning again), also the Knicks would take on JR Smith to get the deal done. all that without Melo's promise of an extension.

Would the Kings give up equivalent value if Melo doesn't sign an extension?

That package sucks ass dude. A pick they won't see for 4 years, a 2nd round pick, a guy the freaking warriors didn't care about enough to keep, and a mediocre wing player? That package won't even get you Melo dude. Furthermore hell yes we could beat that package with 2011+2013 first rounders, Donte Greene, Jason Thompson, and cap space. I'm not saying we should even give up that much for him but if we want him and that's all your team is offering we can easily beat that.

[SacKingZZZ]

If you can get Melo on the cheap do it. If it starts costing us building blocks than no way.

[wiltchamberlain]

what will the kings offer the Nuggets for Melo without an extension? Knicks would give up

Landry Fields
Wilson Chandler
Kelenna Azubuike
2014 first round pick
GS 2011 2nd round pick
GS 2012 2nd round pick

would the Kings give up 3 good young players, a first round pick, 2 potentially very good 2nd round picks(it will be a long time before GS starts winning again), also the Knicks would take on JR Smith to get the deal done. all that without Melo's promise of an extension.

Would the Kings give up equivalent value if Melo doesn't sign an extension?

That package sucks ass dude. A pick they won't see for 4 years, a 2nd round pick, a guy the freaking warriors didn't care about enough to keep, and a mediocre wing player? That package won't even get you Melo dude. Furthermore hell yes we could beat that package with 2011+2013 first rounders, Donte Greene, Jason Thompson, and cap space. I'm not saying we should even give up that much for him but if we want him and that's all your team is offering we can easily beat that.

I was thinking the exact same thing. 2nd round picks are very over-hyped on this website overall, in reality they're worthless more often than not. On top of the pick situation the best player they offer is Wilson Chandler who, in my mind at least, is far less valuable than Landry. Last is Azubuike, and Fields, both of whom are ok, but certainly the Kings could offer as much or more.

Now the poster does say this is what the Knicks would give up for an unextended Melo, but exactly how does he know that? The idea that Melo want's nothing more than to play in the bright lights of New York is deja vu (Lebron) all over again.

[Dantares]

what will the kings offer the Nuggets for Melo without an extension? Knicks would give up

Landry Fields
Wilson Chandler
Kelenna Azubuike
2014 first round pick
GS 2011 2nd round pick
GS 2012 2nd round pick

would the Kings give up 3 good young players, a first round pick, 2 potentially very good 2nd round picks(it will be a long time before GS starts winning again), also the Knicks would take on JR Smith to get the deal done. all that without Melo's promise of an extension.

Would the Kings give up equivalent value if Melo doesn't sign an extension?

That package sucks ass dude. A pick they won't see for 4 years, a 2nd round pick, a guy the freaking warriors didn't care about enough to keep, and a mediocre wing player? That package won't even get you Melo dude. Furthermore hell yes we could beat that package with 2011+2013 first rounders, Donte Greene, Jason Thompson, and cap space. I'm not saying we should even give up that much for him but if we want him and that's all your team is offering we can easily beat that.

I was thinking the exact same thing. 2nd round picks are very over-hyped on this website overall, in reality they're worthless more often than not. On top of the pick situation the best player they offer is Wilson Chandler who, in my mind at least, is far less valuable than Landry. Last is Azubuike, and Fields, both of whom are ok, but certainly the Kings could offer as much or more.

Now the poster does say this is what the Knicks would give up for an unextended Melo, but exactly how does he know that? The idea that Melo want's nothing more than to play in the bright lights of New York is deja vu (Lebron) all over again.

yeah the 1st round pick isn't that good because it's 4 years from now, I'll give you that. but Actually early second round picks hold more value than late first round picks because the contracts aren't guaranteed. Many teams will sell their late first round pick for cash because they don't want to pay guaranteed money to a player that is most likely not worth a second contract.


The Warriors traded for an all-star in David Lee they had to give up Azubuike and Anthony Randolph. Knicks wanted Randolph bad but they wanted Azubuike as a throw-in. Azubuike is a good player, look at his career stats, he plays good defense as well. As for calling Chandler mediocre he did lead all shooting guards in fg% last year and he was 4th among shooting guard in rebounding, lol if he does that again this year I will gladly take that kind of mediocrity.

RekeHavoc I don't think you read my post properly. Is that the package you would give up for an unextended Melo? If yes, then you would be a worse GM than isiah Thomas. Lottery teams should never ever give up potential lottery picks. look what happened to the Knicks.

if you wouldn't give up all that then you never answered my original question which was what would the Kings give up for an unextended Melo?

and Wilt I'd like to know what you think would be a reasonable package for an unextended Melo as well? Would you give up Casspi? Thompson? Greene?

obviously the Knicks would throw in Gallinari to get an extended melo. hell they would throw-in everyone outside of Amare and Felton just to get Melo. they'd be foolish not to.

[ICMTM]

The Kings don't trade for a non extended Melo.

[AnDrOiDKing4]

The Kings don't trade for a non extended Melo.

I doubt most teams will. Sooner Denver fans realize this then they will understand they will get the short end of the stick no matter what.

[wiltchamberlain]

yeah the 1st round pick isn't that good because it's 4 years from now, I'll give you that. but Actually early second round picks hold more value than late first round picks because the contracts aren't guaranteed. Many teams will sell their late first round pick for cash because they don't want to pay guaranteed money to a player that is most likely not worth a second contract.


The Warriors traded for an all-star in David Lee they had to give up Azubuike and Anthony Randolph. Knicks wanted Randolph bad but they wanted Azubuike as a throw-in. Azubuike is a good player, look at his career stats, he plays good defense as well. As for calling Chandler mediocre he did lead all shooting guards in fg% last year and he was 4th among shooting guard in rebounding, lol if he does that again this year I will gladly take that kind of mediocrity.

RekeHavoc I don't think you read my post properly. Is that the package you would give up for an unextended Melo? If yes, then you would be a worse GM than isiah Thomas. Lottery teams should never ever give up potential lottery picks. look what happened to the Knicks.

if you wouldn't give up all that then you never answered my original question which was what would the Kings give up for an unextended Melo?

and Wilt I'd like to know what you think would be a reasonable package for an unextended Melo as well? Would you give up Casspi? Thompson? Greene?

obviously the Knicks would throw in Gallinari to get an extended melo. hell they would throw-in everyone outside of Amare and Felton just to get Melo. they'd be foolish not to.

Alright, let's star off with the picks. Firstly I agree with your point about early second round draft picks being worth something, it's nice for a team to take a flyer on a guy who is possibly first round talent, and at the same time not have pay him if things don't work out. An example of this would be Whiteside who many people thought would be a little to risky in the first, but once he got into the second was a steal.

There is a problem with this theory however. There is no guarantee that the picks being traded are going to be that low, GS is not likely to be that good in the next couple of years, but I'd guess they're not going to be one of the three worst teams in the league. Getting the 5th-10th pick in the second round is going to be worthless 90%+ of the time, and even in the instances it's not useless, it's only going to net you a so-so backup or something along those lines, which is fine but not even a drop in the bucket as far as value for Anthony.

On the subject of Azuibuke, I think he's an ok player, but one coming off a very serious injury. Reports I read say there is a 50-50 chance he won't make it to training camp this year. This, to me at least, degrades his otherwise ok value.

Chandler is also a solid player in my book, but one who's otherwise solid play is padded by the fact he plays for a bad team. Also, let's not go overboard on his statistics, his FG% is very good, and so is his rebounding, but he only averaged 15 points a game, and shot quite a bit less than 30% from behind the 3pt line. As his career moves forward he may turn into an improved shooter, but in his present state, putting up decent numbers (in some cases good numbers) on a bad (in some cases completely dysfunctional) Knicks teams does not make him an ideal centerpiece in a deal for one of the best players in the league. I consider Chandler's value significantly less than Landry's. Landry scores more points, gets more rebounds, has a better FG% and plays a rarer position.

Now as far as what the Kings would or should give up for an unexteded Melo the answer is succinct, absolutely nothing.

As what the Knicks would or should give up for an unextended Melo, the answer is also I suspect nothing. I'm not sure what authority you have to say the Knicks would give up anything for an unextended Melo, I'd guess you'd think that they would because once in New York Melo would quickly sign a large contract because he's always dreamed of playing in the bright lights of the Big Apple. The problem with this theory is that it has not proven out correct in the past (ergo LeBron) I think if Melo was traded unextended to the Knicks they would have just as good a chance as any other team of being screwed over by a money chasing, or perhaps win now seeking Melo. I can't guarantee this would happen, for all I know maybe Melo would settle down, sign a contract and be happy, but it is a risk, and I think it's a roughly equivalent risk for every team in the league.

Now (to wrap this up) I think the Kings would likely trade any combination of players, not named Tyreke and DeMarcus to secure an Extended Melo. I feel like this is the sort of situation we've been building for, collecting young talent, picks, etc. in the hopes that we could lure a top level player here via trade. At the same time I don't think the Nuggets would accept our offers, if the wire tap articles are correct there are several other teams offering significantly more value than the Kings have to offer. I also think it would be a bad idea for the Nuggets to trade Anthony to any in the West. I don't know what the Knicks would give up for an extended Melo but I'd guess it's about what you think (no Amare). I think that of the players the Knicks would offer, and the players the Kings would offer, I feel the Kings could make more beneficial deals from the Nuggets perspective, financially and talent wise. But, as hopefully we all know by now, all of this is merely conjecture. I honestly have no idea where Melo is going to end up.