'Melo Situation (new topics will be locked)

[KnickRider]

Well, one thing NY is going to want to see is exactly where are they now with the pieces they have already. When Boston came together they already had Pierce working there for a while and then a couple of stars and numerous role players came on in. You may want to gauge your strength first anyway.

LeBron and Bosh going into Miami.....DWade's been there for a while. Can't really think of a marquee guy that hung out in NY for a while except now you got Amare....to get to that perfected team it's going to take some building.

I am looking forward to see Galo and Randolph play to be very honest, in particular next to Amare. Felton has always been a PG that I like and somebody I think will look very good under Mike. Knicks fans in general are actually very happy with where we are and what we have right now. But when it comes to Melo if you got a chance at a guy like that you pull the trigger and make it happen.

[twoolfork1]

The thing I don't understand about this whole situation and Nuggets fans scoffing at everyone's trade ideas is how long are you guys willing to hold onto Melo given he doesn't sign an extension? There is a report today saying NJ Nets could wait for free agency to get Melo but is Denver really willing to just hold onto him for the whole year knowing he's going to leave for free agency? I was wondering if anyone knew how long he has to sign an extension? Can he do it at any point during the regular season or does it have to be before the trade deadline or what?

[The Rebel]

The thing I don't understand about this whole situation and Nuggets fans scoffing at everyone's trade ideas is how long are you guys willing to hold onto Melo given he doesn't sign an extension? There is a report today saying NJ Nets could wait for free agency to get Melo but is Denver really willing to just hold onto him for the whole year knowing he's going to leave for free agency? I was wondering if anyone knew how long he has to sign an extension? Can he do it at any point during the regular season or does it have to be before the trade deadline or what?

The Nets can wait all they want, fact is that 5 years is a long time to wait for a free agent. In other words I think New Jersey is trying to play hardball with the Nuggets, and I don't think anybody outside of New York believes that Melo will be traded with an extension soon then later.

As for willing to hold him through the year, why not? If the best player teams think they can give back to the Nuggets is some project that was just drafted with a lotto pick, then the Nuggets have no reason to do the deal. They can take their chances this year and worst case scenerio they can sign and trade Melo and get a couple of pick, and a TPE. Which is just as good long term as taking back a bad contract, or a current project. and helps them sell tickets and compete this year, while leaving them in a position to rebuild next year.

[almost famous]

I agree. And if Melo became a free agent, NJ has no chance of signing him. He will likely go to Houston or NY.

[twoolfork1]

The thing I don't understand about this whole situation and Nuggets fans scoffing at everyone's trade ideas is how long are you guys willing to hold onto Melo given he doesn't sign an extension? There is a report today saying NJ Nets could wait for free agency to get Melo but is Denver really willing to just hold onto him for the whole year knowing he's going to leave for free agency? I was wondering if anyone knew how long he has to sign an extension? Can he do it at any point during the regular season or does it have to be before the trade deadline or what?

The Nets can wait all they want, fact is that 5 years is a long time to wait for a free agent. In other words I think New Jersey is trying to play hardball with the Nuggets, and I don't think anybody outside of New York believes that Melo will be traded with an extension soon then later.

As for willing to hold him through the year, why not? If the best player teams think they can give back to the Nuggets is some project that was just drafted with a lotto pick, then the Nuggets have no reason to do the deal. They can take their chances this year and worst case scenerio they can sign and trade Melo and get a couple of pick, and a TPE. Which is just as good long term as taking back a bad contract, or a current project. and helps them sell tickets and compete this year, while leaving them in a position to rebuild next year.

No. That is not the worst case scenario. The worst case scenario is what we saw happen to Cleavland with Lebron James which is Melo leaves and signs anywhere else as an unrestricted free agent. Then you look back in the offseason and say dang we could use some extra picks and some good young players when instead we lost Melo and got nothing in return

[twoolfork1]

I agree. And if Melo became a free agent, NJ has no chance of signing him. He will likely go to Houston or NY.

Okay and he goes to Houston or NY leaving the Nuggets with . . .

[The Rebel]

The Nets can wait all they want, fact is that 5 years is a long time to wait for a free agent. In other words I think New Jersey is trying to play hardball with the Nuggets, and I don't think anybody outside of New York believes that Melo will be traded with an extension soon then later.

As for willing to hold him through the year, why not? If the best player teams think they can give back to the Nuggets is some project that was just drafted with a lotto pick, then the Nuggets have no reason to do the deal. They can take their chances this year and worst case scenerio they can sign and trade Melo and get a couple of pick, and a TPE. Which is just as good long term as taking back a bad contract, or a current project. and helps them sell tickets and compete this year, while leaving them in a position to rebuild next year.

No. That is not the worst case scenario. The worst case scenario is what we saw happen to Cleavland with Lebron James which is Melo leaves and signs anywhere else as an unrestricted free agent. Then you look back in the offseason and say dang we could use some extra picks and some good young players when instead we lost Melo and got nothing in return

You do realize the Cavs got several picks, a TPE, and the ability to ensure fan support by selling Lebron as a turncoat that turned on the team, the whole city, and the state. you think gilbert would give up that goodwill and those picks for a overpaid player, and a long term project which the odds say has a 50-50 shot on ever turning into a starting caliber player? Especially when that player is already asking fans to be patient prior to training camp even starting?

[twoolfork1]

The Nets can wait all they want, fact is that 5 years is a long time to wait for a free agent. In other words I think New Jersey is trying to play hardball with the Nuggets, and I don't think anybody outside of New York believes that Melo will be traded with an extension soon then later.

As for willing to hold him through the year, why not? If the best player teams think they can give back to the Nuggets is some project that was just drafted with a lotto pick, then the Nuggets have no reason to do the deal. They can take their chances this year and worst case scenerio they can sign and trade Melo and get a couple of pick, and a TPE. Which is just as good long term as taking back a bad contract, or a current project. and helps them sell tickets and compete this year, while leaving them in a position to rebuild next year.

No. That is not the worst case scenario. The worst case scenario is what we saw happen to Cleavland with Lebron James which is Melo leaves and signs anywhere else as an unrestricted free agent. Then you look back in the offseason and say dang we could use some extra picks and some good young players when instead we lost Melo and got nothing in return

You do realize the Cavs got several picks, a TPE, and the ability to ensure fan support by selling Lebron as a turncoat that turned on the team, the whole city, and the state. you think gilbert would give up that goodwill and those picks for a overpaid player, and a long term project which the odds say has a 50-50 shot on ever turning into a starting caliber player? Especially when that player is already asking fans to be patient prior to training camp even starting?

Okay thinking long term this is a disater for the Cavs. Prior to last season or at any point during the season they could've conceivably got a very lucrative package for Lebron; much more than the picks a TPE and some hypothetical good will with the fan base. The packages being offered to DEN for Carmelo now are going to be much more than they will get if they keep him all year and he's hits the free agent market next summer. Same thing happened with Bosh in TOR. They could have got something for him long term if they had traded him but instead he left and they got nothing.

[The Rebel]

Regardless of how Lebron left it was going to be a disaster, and it would have been worse both long and short term to trade him. trading him for a decent package would not have allowed the cavs the fan support/ public relations that they need to help sell tickets while they try to rebuild. and even worse would have probably helped the fans turn on the team, when the package only produced one or two starters.

As for the rumored packages, would any team trade a top 10 player for a guy who is a one time all star that appeared to regress in his next season, and a lotto pick? Or a couple of marginal prospects and a bad contract? What about an injury prone one time all star big, and a lotto pick? Fact is most of the rumored offers are only slightly better then the Nuggets could get by trading an expiring and taking back some of these guy with their contracts. the Nuggets would be dumb to do that kind of deal, and personally if that is the packages they are really being offered, I hope they tell them all to go to hell. Including Melo. Let him take the 30-40% paycut if it means that much to him.

As for Toronto and Cleveland, Denver is in a much better position then either of them. The Nuggets have no bad contracts while the Cavs and Raptors had plenty of them, and the Nuggets will have up to $40 million in cap space already lined up next offseason. Meaning they could go out and hand pick their next team, pick up young players or draft picks through the use of their cap space for a year when teams look to cut salary with a lower salary cap/tax, or take a year and get the pieces in place for the next free agent bonanza in 2012. Adding in their own draft picks and the picks they would get in a Melo sign and trade allows them to rebuild that much faster.

Once again I will state, I do feel Melo will be traded, but he is not going to be traded for a bunch of scraps. They will get at least one top prospect, and some good picks or players to go along with that prospect. however the Nuggets are not dumb enough to trade him for a marginal prospect or draft pick.

[almost famous]

I agree. And if Melo became a free agent, NJ has no chance of signing him. He will likely go to Houston or NY.

Okay and he goes to Houston or NY leaving the Nuggets with . . .

Nothing, which is just slightly less than what we'd get if we rented him out in February anyway.

[siar617]

Actually it's slightly more than what you will get at the deadline.

[Dantares]

Regardless of how Lebron left it was going to be a disaster, and it would have been worse both long and short term to trade him. trading him for a decent package would not have allowed the cavs the fan support/ public relations that they need to help sell tickets while they try to rebuild. and even worse would have probably helped the fans turn on the team, when the package only produced one or two starters.

As for the rumored packages, would any team trade a top 10 player for a guy who is a one time all star that appeared to regress in his next season, and a lotto pick? Or a couple of marginal prospects and a bad contract? What about an injury prone one time all star big, and a lotto pick? Fact is most of the rumored offers are only slightly better then the Nuggets could get by trading an expiring and taking back some of these guy with their contracts. the Nuggets would be dumb to do that kind of deal, and personally if that is the packages they are really being offered, I hope they tell them all to go to hell. Including Melo. Let him take the 30-40% paycut if it means that much to him.

As for Toronto and Cleveland, Denver is in a much better position then either of them. The Nuggets have no bad contracts while the Cavs and Raptors had plenty of them, and the Nuggets will have up to $40 million in cap space already lined up next offseason. Meaning they could go out and hand pick their next team, pick up young players or draft picks through the use of their cap space for a year when teams look to cut salary with a lower salary cap/tax, or take a year and get the pieces in place for the next free agent bonanza in 2012. Adding in their own draft picks and the picks they would get in a Melo sign and trade allows them to rebuild that much faster.

Once again I will state, I do feel Melo will be traded, but he is not going to be traded for a bunch of scraps. They will get at least one top prospect, and some good picks or players to go along with that prospect. however the Nuggets are not dumb enough to trade him for a marginal prospect or draft pick.

wait, so what do you define as a marginal player or draft pick? and what do you define a top prospect?

For example, I think a guy like the Kings have in Omri Casspi, I wouldn't define him as a star player but I think he is going to be a hell of a player. and I think the Kings would be crazy to trade him for an unextended Melo because Melo would just walk at the end of the year. do you consider Casspi a top prospect?

[The Rebel]

Actually it's slightly more than what you will get at the deadline.

Nothing is slightly more then we are supposedly being offered right now? I did not expect a Knicks fan to agree, but then I guess it is hard to dispute that fact.

[The Rebel]

wait, so what do you define as a marginal player or draft pick? and what do you define a top prospect?

A top prospect are guys like: Rose, Evans, Curry, Lopez, Love in other words guys who have shown they could easily become in the top 5 of their position and if their potential is reached should be in multiple all star games.

A marginal prospect is a guy who has yet to prove he even belongs in the NBA.

a draft pick is either a true pick, or someone who has yet to step onto a regular season NBA court.

For example, I think a guy like the Kings have in Omri Casspi, I wouldn't define him as a star player but I think he is going to be a hell of a player. and I think the Kings would be crazy to trade him for an unextended Melo because Melo would just walk at the end of the year. do you consider Casspi a top prospect?

I would not put Casspi in the top tier, and I like Casspi.

Fact is I put Casspi somewhere between the 2nd (guys who should be very good starters and may sneak into an all star game or two) or 3rd tier (guys who will be top starters but not really good enough to get into the all star game without a lot of luck).

As for trading for an unextended Melo, read through this thread to get my thoughts on that, Melo will be extending his contract this year, there is no doubt in my mind, now who he extends with is still in question but it will not be the Knicks.

[Mel0Knicks9]

why wouldnt it be the Knicks. Why would Melo ever go to the Rockets 0% chance that happens

[The Rebel]

why wouldnt it be the Knicks. Why would Melo ever go to the Rockets 0% chance that happens

Because for Melo to extend with the Knicks, they have to have something the Nuggets are interested in, and according to just about every reporter the Nuggets front office almost laughs when they are asked about thee knicks having prospects.

[Mel0Knicks9]

ok so u rather melo leave u with nothing then have gallo n chandler. Lol at knicks not haveing prospects we just turned down a 1st round pick for A Randolph

[The Rebel]

ok so u rather melo leave u with nothing then have gallo n chandler. Lol at knicks not haveing prospects we just turned down a 1st round pick for A Randolph

a future 1st is not that impressive, considering the Nuggets are said to have turned down the 10th pick in the last draft for Lawson.l As for Melo leaving with nothing, I thought we had already went round and round about this for 10 pages, you believe Melo will only sign the extension for the Knicks, while I as well as everybody not sitting in New York, realize Melo has a list and is willing to sign with more then just the Knicks.

[Mel0Knicks9]

lists things is made up by nuggets front offie for levrage. I belive players want to play for one team two at most Like orlando makes some sense, every other team that ha sbeen mentioned makes no sense only being discussed because they may have assets nuggets like,wich means nothing melo has all the levrage. No1 will give utalent for a year rental.

[The Rebel]

lists things is made up by nuggets front offie for levrage. I belive players want to play for one team two at most Like orlando makes some sense, every other team that ha sbeen mentioned makes no sense only being discussed because they may have assets nuggets like,wich means nothing melo has all the levrage. No1 will give utalent for a year rental.

We have already had this discussion, since your memory must be shot, here is the link to the thread. There are several posts, in response to others, and even several in response to you that you chose to ignore. You want my answers please start there,as I am tired of the same worn out questions with you ignoring any response that does not agree with your ideas.
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