Danilo Gallinari vs. Brook Lopez

[DieHardNETS]

:lol: Begging for votes on an internet forum....

This is laughable . Brook Lopez is FAR superior to Gallinari I don't even understand how this is a debate. The ONLY fans in the NBA who could dream of arguing this are Knicks fans. Billy king should call up Walsh and offer Lopez for Gallo, Walsh would cream himself.

Oh, and begging for votes on a forum speaks volumes to what you truely believe is the truth:

Lopez >>>>>> Gallo

[X-Factor]

:lol: Begging for votes on an internet forum....

This is laughable . Brook Lopez is FAR superior to Gallinari I don't even understand how this is a debate. The ONLY fans in the NBA who could dream of arguing this are Knicks fans. Billy king should call up Walsh and offer Lopez for Gallo, Walsh would cream himself.

Oh, and begging for votes on a forum speaks volumes to what you truely believe is the truth:

Lopez >>>>>> Gallo

Exactly!!!

If you truly know that your player is superior you would NEVER have to go back to your forum and "rally the troops" to come vote without a single one of them giving any sort of reasoning (other than being total losers) for their choice.

[TheBigThree]

The best part of all this is that if the Knicks were to ever get rid of Gallo, all we'd hear from NY fans is how he's not that great and they're not losing anything by not having him on their team.

Who knows, maybe he'll turn it on this season, but I very much doubt it. What's all this "wait until mid season to decide" stuff? We ALREADY know Lopez is the superior player based on their current history.

[prs]

Yes and whats the difference between Knicks fans and any other group of fans on this board? Please tell me because every group of fans are entirely the same.

Have people not read through the countless Derrick Rose threads where Bulls fans will call him a top5 player? Or their rantings about how special Noah is? How Deng went from a garbage player to amazing when they needed to trade him..

How about topics on Batum/Roy? Do Portland fans want to trade away Batum? Do portland fans constantly rate Roy higher than other fans? Will portland fans give up on Oden? nop.


Not like I'm going to bother to argue with anyone on this topic as very few people seem to even have 3rd grade reading comprehension but I do find it humorous that some how Brook Lopez has already "proven something." I also find it funny that people try to make glamorous arguments all the time when all they've obviously done is looked at a players stats.

[therealbig3]

Yes and whats the difference between Knicks fans and any other group of fans on this board? Please tell me because every group of fans are entirely the same.

Have people not read through the countless Derrick Rose threads where Bulls fans will call him a top5 player? Or their rantings about how special Noah is? How Deng went from a garbage player to amazing when they needed to trade him..

How about topics on Batum/Roy? Do Portland fans want to trade away Batum? Do portland fans constantly rate Roy higher than other fans? Will portland fans give up on Oden? nop.


Not like I'm going to bother to argue with anyone on this topic as very few people seem to even have 3rd grade reading comprehension but I do find it humorous that some how Brook Lopez has already "proven something." I also find it funny that people try to make glamorous arguments all the time when all they've obviously done is looked at a players stats.

Lopez has proven that he's an all-star calibre player, Gallo has not. He did play for a bad team, but if you watched him play, you'd know he has the skills to be a 20/10 player on a good team. Low post skills, good finisher, good hands, good footwork, decent midrange jumper.

[Ron Harper]

Lets all revisit this thread by half the season this year and see how easily its Lopez, all right?

Oh, we're going to. And I am most definitely going to give a hardy laugh when the Nets are on pace for another below 20 win season so we can all recognize how hollow Brook's stats really are.

This implies that when the Nets turn it around, Lopez's numbers will drop...A terrible argument really.

[ay yo]

It's Brook, for now. I'm just not sure his mentality and style of play will change.

He should of averaged at least 10boards last yr, on that team.

Gallo could be a top of the line scorer/shooter.
He's usually compared with Peja. Peja's best season was when he put up..

24.2ppg, 6.3rpg, 2.1apg, 1.3stl, 0.2bpg, 48%fg, 43%3p 92.7ft

I think Gallo could put up that line, while doing better in assists & blocks. I'm not sure if he'll ever shoot 48% tho, specially if he doesn't learn to get to the line more.

[Luv those Knicks]

Yes and whats the difference between Knicks fans and any other group of fans on this board? Please tell me because every group of fans are entirely the same.

Have people not read through the countless Derrick Rose threads where Bulls fans will call him a top5 player? Or their rantings about how special Noah is? How Deng went from a garbage player to amazing when they needed to trade him..

How about topics on Batum/Roy? Do Portland fans want to trade away Batum? Do portland fans constantly rate Roy higher than other fans? Will portland fans give up on Oden? nop.


Not like I'm going to bother to argue with anyone on this topic as very few people seem to even have 3rd grade reading comprehension but I do find it humorous that some how Brook Lopez has already "proven something." I also find it funny that people try to make glamorous arguments all the time when all they've obviously done is looked at a players stats.

well said.

and lets not forget the Jennings is better than Chris Paul threads.


Threads like this one are a bad idea because nothing will be settled and to a large extent, nothing can be settled with players this new to the NBA. Better to just go to the individual teams boards and ask them what they think.


For the record, a number of knick fans prefer Lopez. It's true. I don't prefer Lopez personally, but I've always been a fan of the players my team drafts. If that's wrong then I don't want to be right.

[coldfish]

Yes and whats the difference between Knicks fans and any other group of fans on this board? Please tell me because every group of fans are entirely the same.

Have people not read through the countless Derrick Rose threads where Bulls fans will call him a top5 player? Or their rantings about how special Noah is? How Deng went from a garbage player to amazing when they needed to trade him..

How about topics on Batum/Roy? Do Portland fans want to trade away Batum? Do portland fans constantly rate Roy higher than other fans? Will portland fans give up on Oden? nop.


Not like I'm going to bother to argue with anyone on this topic as very few people seem to even have 3rd grade reading comprehension but I do find it humorous that some how Brook Lopez has already "proven something." I also find it funny that people try to make glamorous arguments all the time when all they've obviously done is looked at a players stats.

There are people who are out in left field in every fanbase. Most Bulls fans don't feel the way you just described, but there are some who do. You know what should happen to those Bulls fans? They should be mocked and shouted down, just like any Knick fan who things that Gallinari is anywhere near Lopez.

And yes, most of us have watched Lopez and Gallinari. Sorry, but Gallinari just isn't that good. He is a shooter who isn't great at creating his own shot and doesn't bring much else. Probably the saddest thing I see is Knicks fans saying that Gallo is a good defender. These are Knicks fans. They should KNOW good defense, yet they don't. With Gallinari, they just give him credit for at least trying (which he does), unlike most of the Knicks. While trying is an important input to playing defense, it doesn't make you a good defender. It just makes you better than Avid Lee.

[mikhailjordan]

I don't understand why people complain about Lopez's "mentality" he was something like top 10 ahead of players like Lebron and Wade in made dunks which coupled with his ability to get to the free throw line tells you all you need to know about his aggressiveness and willingness to play down low.

As for his rebounding... With a larger role it regressed. Which isn't unexpected, I think we'll know more about Lopez the rebounder this coming season the one concern I do have with his rebounding however is that Lopez isn't an A+ athlete so when it comes to rebounding outside of his area he's merely average.

[Legendary 33]

lol, what a fail of a thread. Brook is better than Gallo and it isn't even close.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

It's Brook, for now. I'm just not sure his mentality and style of play will change.

He should of averaged at least 10boards last yr, on that team.

Gallo could be a top of the line scorer/shooter.
He's usually compared with Peja. Peja's best season was when he put up..

24.2ppg, 6.3rpg, 2.1apg, 1.3stl, 0.2bpg, 48%fg, 43%3p 92.7ft

I think Gallo could put up that line, while doing better in assists & blocks. I'm not sure if he'll ever shoot 48% tho, specially if he doesn't learn to get to the line more.

You basically said that Gallo could be a rich man's version of Peja--who was an MVP candidate.

Geez.

[Nicky Nix Nook]

lol, what a fail of a thread. Brook is better than Gallo and it isn't even close.

[Luv those Knicks]

Yes and whats the difference between Knicks fans and any other group of fans on this board? Please tell me because every group of fans are entirely the same.

Have people not read through the countless Derrick Rose threads where Bulls fans will call him a top5 player? Or their rantings about how special Noah is? How Deng went from a garbage player to amazing when they needed to trade him..

How about topics on Batum/Roy? Do Portland fans want to trade away Batum? Do portland fans constantly rate Roy higher than other fans? Will portland fans give up on Oden? nop.


Not like I'm going to bother to argue with anyone on this topic as very few people seem to even have 3rd grade reading comprehension but I do find it humorous that some how Brook Lopez has already "proven something." I also find it funny that people try to make glamorous arguments all the time when all they've obviously done is looked at a players stats.

There are people who are out in left field in every fanbase. Most Bulls fans don't feel the way you just described, but there are some who do. You know what should happen to those Bulls fans? They should be mocked and shouted down, just like any Knick fan who things that Gallinari is anywhere near Lopez.

And yes, most of us have watched Lopez and Gallinari. Sorry, but Gallinari just isn't that good. He is a shooter who isn't great at creating his own shot and doesn't bring much else. Probably the saddest thing I see is Knicks fans saying that Gallo is a good defender. These are Knicks fans. They should KNOW good defense, yet they don't. With Gallinari, they just give him credit for at least trying (which he does), unlike most of the Knicks. While trying is an important input to playing defense, it doesn't make you a good defender. It just makes you better than Avid Lee.

Why do people who obviously don't watch a player, pretend that they do? I'm confused by this. What do you gain by pretending to know a person's game when you don't?

[Subway Token]

I'm going to try to say this in the most unbiased way possible...

Brook Lopez IS going to be a stud in the near future. He put up some pretty nice numbers in his first two years. Now, here's where I get a little touchy. He has done what he did as pretty much the #1/#2 option. That means that your stats WILL be raised. Slow or fast system. He put up great numbers as a player with a very very high role BUT.... his team was PATHETIC. I'm sorry. I put up with my crappy-ass Knicks for a while but I can't imagine being a Net fan last year. This is with all-due respect, btw. Brook showed zero signs of leadership, and his stats seemingly do NOT affect the outcome of the game. Until BroLo takes the game in his head to the next level, we'll see a budding star.

I can't say that Gallo is really any different, either. He's done nothing special, but his ceiling is just as tremendous (arguably more tremendous, but that's not what I'm here to discuss) as BroLo's.

Until both of these players really prove that what they do actually impacts the game and makes their team win, there is zero point in arguing as to who is better because in reality, these guys are just two very good prospects.

[Hitman33]

Lopez. You just can't pass up a seven footer with his skills. He's been a lot more productive than Gallo in his 1st 2 yrs. I still think Gallinari will end up being an 18/5/3 guy but Brook has the potential to be really special imo

Really, you think Gallinari will end up being an 18/5/3 guy? He was a 15/5/2 guy as a 20 year old in his first full season in the NBA. Get your head out of your ass.

[coldfish]

Yes and whats the difference between Knicks fans and any other group of fans on this board? Please tell me because every group of fans are entirely the same.

Have people not read through the countless Derrick Rose threads where Bulls fans will call him a top5 player? Or their rantings about how special Noah is? How Deng went from a garbage player to amazing when they needed to trade him..

How about topics on Batum/Roy? Do Portland fans want to trade away Batum? Do portland fans constantly rate Roy higher than other fans? Will portland fans give up on Oden? nop.


Not like I'm going to bother to argue with anyone on this topic as very few people seem to even have 3rd grade reading comprehension but I do find it humorous that some how Brook Lopez has already "proven something." I also find it funny that people try to make glamorous arguments all the time when all they've obviously done is looked at a players stats.

There are people who are out in left field in every fanbase. Most Bulls fans don't feel the way you just described, but there are some who do. You know what should happen to those Bulls fans? They should be mocked and shouted down, just like any Knick fan who things that Gallinari is anywhere near Lopez.

And yes, most of us have watched Lopez and Gallinari. Sorry, but Gallinari just isn't that good. He is a shooter who isn't great at creating his own shot and doesn't bring much else. Probably the saddest thing I see is Knicks fans saying that Gallo is a good defender. These are Knicks fans. They should KNOW good defense, yet they don't. With Gallinari, they just give him credit for at least trying (which he does), unlike most of the Knicks. While trying is an important input to playing defense, it doesn't make you a good defender. It just makes you better than Avid Lee.

Why do people who obviously don't watch a player, pretend that they do? I'm confused by this. What do you gain by pretending to know a person's game when you don't?

Good question. Next question: How is it that Knicks fans haven't watched Gallinari play?

Are you saying that Gallinari IS a good defender? Are you saying he is a good passer or rebounder? Does he regularly break down defenders with his dribble or have a quality post game? Across the board, the answer is no.

[Legendary 33]

There's one thing Gallo can do at an above-average level, and that's shoot the 3.

No, he isn't an overly efficient scorer.

No, he isn't a great athlete.

No, he can't handle the ball.

No, he can't drive to the basket.

No, he can't play good defense.

No, he cant rebound that well.

No, he can't finish above bigger defenders.

No, he isn't the next Dirk Nowitski

No, he isn't the next Larry Bird.

No, I'm not mad.

Yes, he stat-padded on a bad team.

this is Lopez rather handily

[Luv those Knicks]

There's one thing Gallo can do at an above-average level, and that's shoot the 3.

No, he isn't an overly efficient scorer.

No, he isn't a great athlete.

No, he can't handle the ball.

No, he can't drive to the basket.

No, he can't play good defense.

No, he cant rebound that well.

No, he can't finish above bigger defenders.

No, he isn't the next Dirk Nowitski

No, he isn't the next Larry Bird.

No, I'm not mad.

Yes, he stat-padded on a bad team.

this is Lopez rather handily

Is the ignorance thing working for you? any complaints, like when people loose all respect for you?

[Legendary 33]

The same people who hailed Gallo as the next Dirk? No offense, but I don't really need theirs or your respect.

Do you actually have a credible rebuttal? Can you name one thing Gallo can provide consistently at an above-average level besides 3 point shooting?