Pacman Jones possibly linked to Pats

Prue · Post #1 » by **Prue** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:26 am

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3305060

I would not mind seeing him come over for a 4th or 5th round pick. We need some young talent and I think with the Pats strong staff they can take someone with a questionable character and make him shut up and just produce. Look what they did with Cory Dillion, Randy Moss... He would be our first or second best corner and he could help with the return game.

What does everyone think?

TheCelticTruth · Post #2 » by **TheCelticTruth** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 3:06 am

pacman would be our best corner. as much as i have huge concerns about his character, i have no concerns about his talent. he is one of the most talented corners in the league. if the pats feel he could fit in and finally settle down and grow into his skills, ill accept the move with trepidation. in bill and scott i trust.

Post #3 » by **sunshinekids99** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:12 am

Pacman can play there is no doubt about that. He's a very good corner that is also a good return man. The Titans could give him up for free and I would pass tho. His past is way too checkered to give him a chance.

Post #4 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 1:58 pm

I actually think that it would be better for the patriots to have this headcase go to the cowboys. Have that team implode next year with so much drama in the lockerroom.

The Rondo Show · Post #5 » by **The Rondo Show** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:19 pm

I'd love to have him and suspect Belichick would love to get a 24 year old Pro Bowl corner (and kick return man) at a cheap price. Bob Kraft, on the other hand, probably wouldn't be thrilled w/acquiring this piece of trash (as a human, not as a player).

Don't see Kraft giving the OK on this deal.

Post #6 » by **HCYanks** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:01 pm

If the Moss trade taught us anything, it's this: people get too hung up on players having "issues", and the perceived low market value on such players makes them worth a gamble. Pacman is in murkier water than Moss was, but still, if we can get him for something like a later round pick and drop a one-strike rule on him, it's worth doing.

Post #7 » by **sunshinekids99** » Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:03 pm

There is "issues" and there is Pacman Jones. Randy Moss is little league compared to Pacman's list of "issues".

Post #8 » by **Bleeding Green** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:11 am

What has Pacman actually done, though? I know he goes to strip clubs and throws money at strippers and some bouncer ended up paralyzed at a club Pacman went to, but has he been convicted of any crimes? I think most of his arrests/offenses have been traffic violations and petty nonsense.

I was originally against it, but I'd be all for giving up a 3-7th round pick for Pacman at this point assuming Belichick thought he'd be reinstated.

Plus it would be awesome to hear people talk about how evil the Patriots are with Spygate, Rodney Harrison on HGH, Belichick rushing the field during the Super Bowl, running up the score and now Pacman Jones the Hitler reincarnate. That stuff is hilarious to listen to and seems to fuel the Patriots.

I think it'd be a shame if they didn't look into this, only to see him go to Dallas for a 5th round pick and watch him stay out of trouble for the rest of his career.

Has Jones done anything since being suspended? I've heard no news.

http://www.impeachedmagazine.com/sports ... acman.html

Alleged offenses included assault, felony vandalism, public intoxication, obstruction of justice, and even multiple spitting incidents. PacMan's prodigious body of misbehavior culminated during the NBA all-star break in Las Vegas last February when a money-tossing free-for-all at a strip club led to a shooting that ultimately paralyzed the victim.

So, assault, a bunch of nonsense and he was seemingly indirectly involved with some dudes shooting another dude and paralyzing him? Snore.

Come to New England, Adam.

TheCelticTruth · Post #9 » by **TheCelticTruth** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:37 am

its hard not to gamble if were talking 4th rounder or lower. lets keep in mind that as well as we draft, no one perfect and that only mike richardson drafted after the first round last year is still with the team

Post #10 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:00 am

^^That's the good point. And why I would think hard about taking a chance on him. Odds are, we would have cut that 4th rounder in training camp, but we took a chance on moss instead of a rookie, and well you know the rest of the story.

Post #11 » by **Bleeding Green** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:28 am

Just look at the last three drafts, fourth round and later. 19 picks have produced James Sanders, Gostkowski, LeKevin Smith, Willie Andrews, Ryan O'Callaghan, and Matt Cassel.

So a one in five chance at producing a backup for the chance at Pacman Jones.

Post #12 » by **sunshinekids99** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:18 pm

Well I guess if you can keep Pacman away from strip clubs most of his issues would go away. No more spitting, slamming strippers heads on poles, or parallelization of bouncers.

This guy is scum in my book, I don't want to see him in NWE.

TheCelticTruth · Post #13 » by **TheCelticTruth** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:33 pm

pacman is scum in my book too, but im not so bull headed to admit that the public perception could be overblown (for example, as much as many public perceptions about the pats outside of NE)

and while i think we are one of the best drafting teams there is, the risk with pacman is does he behave, not is he good enough and not can he play, and certainly even we draft our fair share of busts.

l2RDO · Post #14 » by **l2RDO** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:33 pm

Regardless of whether or not hes a good guy, if he can help us win, Ill take him in a heartbeat. Last year really hurt, I need a Superbowl win bad.

TheCelticTruth · Post #15 » by **TheCelticTruth** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:20 pm

if we did add pacman, its entirely possible, as long as we can keep LB stabilized, that wed be better than last year. i expect the oline to be better, and if morris is healthy our running game will be tight, and i expect seymour to be fully healthy, and so attract more attention and free up warren to have the type of year he had two years ago

Post #16 » by **Basketball Jesus** » Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:47 pm

sunshinekids99 wrote:This guy is scum in my book, I don't want to see him in NWE.

Well, it's a good thing your book is only six pages long and half of them are illustrations.[/jokes]

Really, from a pure football standpoint, would you rather the Patriots sign a bunch of broken-down, cast-aside, past-their-prime free agents and hope one sticks or trade a mid-draft pick for one of the three most talented cornerbacks in the game?

It's not like the Patriots are going to put up with any off-field BS from him. And there's precedent for this type of acquistion; granted neither Dillon nor Moss had the degree of notoriety as Pacman, but most of that outrage is media-fueled, Goodell-abetted nonsense. Ray Lewis has been associated with worse and I don't think anybody here would have a problem if the Pats were interested in him.

Post #17 » by **sunshinekids99** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:17 am

I'd have a hard time rooting for Pacman. While I understand that he's a great corner, I'd still pass.

TheCelticTruth · Post #18 » by **TheCelticTruth** » Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:52 pm

boston herald blog currently reporting pats are "not interested"

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sport ... ion=recent

considering our cb situation and belichick/pioli's willingness to avoid locking into money for players who may not deserve it, those sound like strong words. theyre coming from second hand source albert breer so who knows.

my two thoughts: if were "not interested" in pacman, id almost rule out using the 7 on a corner

and dallas does not seem like the best place for a player like pacman who has shown he is easily influenced by other people. imagine handling pacman and TO