[BLOG] SoTD: Bargnani and free throws

[supersub15]

http://notastatistician.blogspot.com/20 ... hrows.html

[Inception]

I didn't realize that it's okay to advertise your sites and blogs on these forums.

And there are so many existing Bargnani threads, why make a new one?

[darth_federer]

Because Supersub has been here for ages and hes always done the SOTD threads.

[Ripp]

It makes more sense for him to keep his stuff in a blog. That way also more accessible to those who aren't RealGMers, to the basketball community as a whole.

Aint like he is making money off of the blog or something

[RocLaFamilia]

Umm I am glad you used stats to figure this out SS15, but those who have supported Bargs (or not hated on him) were saying the exact same things for years...

BTW didn't know you had your own site.

I didn't realize that it's okay to advertise your sites and blogs on these forums.

And there are so many existing Bargnani threads, why make a new one?

This is a topic that hasn't been touched upon no problem with the topic. And I don't think SS has ever linked to his website, so I don't see why your complaining.

[Ripp]

Consider that on 1350 plays last year, Bargnani was used as the decoy (spot-up shooter) 511 times. That is 38% of his total plays. Over the 80 games he played, that represents 6.4 spot-up plays per game. When you consider that those plays provide almost zero possibility of creating free throws, it is one darn-good explanation.

Is this from Synergy? What happened on the 1350-511=839 plays where he wasn't used as a decoy?

[Ripp]

Also, not to derail...but I wish more of the good posters here (SS, Dr Mufasa, LocalNGIdiot, BorisDK1, others) had blogs. Too much good stuff gets lost on page 27 of some random RealGM post...would be nice if the best content were more widely visible.

[RocLaFamilia]

Consider that on 1350 plays last year, Bargnani was used as the decoy (spot-up shooter) 511 times. That is 38% of his total plays. Over the 80 games he played, that represents 6.4 spot-up plays per game. When you consider that those plays provide almost zero possibility of creating free throws, it is one darn-good explanation.

Is this from Synergy? What happened on the 1350-511=839 plays where he wasn't used as a decoy?

I was wondering the same. So maybe you can clarify this for me, is the 1350 the total amount of plays for the team for the year?

[Inception]

I don't think it matters if he's been posting here for years or days. rules are rules. If his threads can stay open and he's allowed to advertise his own site than everyone else should.

[RocLaFamilia]

I don't think it matters if he's been posting here for years or days. rules are rules. If his threads can stay open and he's allowed to advertise his own site than everyone else should.

Well if you want to talk about rules, I guess your not helping by derailing a thread and back-seat mod'ing .... just saying

[darth_federer]

Also, not to derail...but I wish more of the good posters here (SS, Dr Mufasa, LocalNGIdiot, BorisDK1, others) had blogs. Too much good stuff gets lost on page 27 of some random RealGM post...would be nice if the best content were more widely visible.

Schad should have a baseball blog too. Lawyer boy can write.

[Inception]

In the past, I've spent time writing threads that could of arguably gone in existing ones and I never get the benefit of the doubt no matter how I've tried to distinguish it. If I made this exact thread it'd be closed or merged within an hour and I think it's an important point to make. If the moderators look at the thread submitter before making a decision then that's not fair. I'm giving the moderators the benefit of the doubt here and pointing out the exact same things that have been pointed out to me in my posts.

You could argue that those people were "back-seat moderating" too but they never received warnings so I'm guessing it's okay

[J-Roc]

SS, is there a way you could link each and every number in your posts to where you got the numbers? Or maybe that's too much work.

As for Bargs, a big part of his game is shooting 3's when he spots up for a outlet pass. If he'll get to 20PPG, he'll need those shots. So look for him to keep doing it. Plus, if he's expending energy holding off big men on D, he'll want to conserve energy on O by spotting up for 3's.

If he was to focus on being a #1 option, rather than just 20PPG, he'd have to change his game around in a big way. Expending energy on O for instance.

[RonaldArtest]

Nothing really new here, although it is a shame that a big man who shoots well from the stripe can't seem to find his way there more often.

And another guy who's in the same boat is Jose Calderon.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

I don't mean to be a conspiracy theorist, but usualy each team gets one player, who is their main guy. That guy tends to get less fouls called on them and get to the line more. What I'm saying is Bosh, for example, if he played the same way, with same touches would get to the line less playing a game on Wade's team, while Wade will get the line often. I think now that Bosh is gone, someone else on our squad, or a few others, will get there more. Remember, NBA reffing is so subjective that it's been proven refs try every game to strives for a close number of fouls for each team. With out Chris they will go to someone, whether deserved or not.

This is not an excuse for Andrea's lack of FT, I think that is more to so with him being on the perimeter and shooting over smaller players in close. I thin he will get to the line more, as well Jack, and DeRozan. And I think a small part of the reason why, is what I mentioned first. Refs have to give tehm to someone, and usually it's to the star player, without Bosh, it'll be someone else who benifets. That's not to say those stars didn't earn the call, it's just that not all earned fouls are called, and not all called fouls are actually earned.

Also there's a chicken and egg with contact and the refs respect. Some say refs award players who look for contact, while that is largely true, it is also true that players that have the respect of the refs, star players, look for that contact becuase they will be asured FT's. Some players who don't have that respect, don't get the call and end up looking at the ref while the play goes the other way. a "scrub" who jumps into his defender and heaves a shot will not get that call, while the elite in the NBA can count on that call, even late in close games.

[supersub15]

Umm I am glad you used stats to figure this out SS15, but those who have supported Bargs (or not hated on him) were saying the exact same things for years...

BTW didn't know you had your own site.

I may forgive him his offensive sins, but I still can't reconcile with the fact that he's been terrible defensively. Hopefully, he proves me wrong on that end as well.

[Undefeated]

Not to mention, without Bosh occupying the mid and low-post, Bargnani will have a bigger opportunity to draw fouls because someone has to occupy that area to keep the defense respectable. Bargnani still seems to be allergic going into the post, but I think when he's forced to go there, Bargnani could do very, very well.

[supersub15]

Is this from Synergy? What happened on the 1350-511=839 plays where he wasn't used as a decoy?

Don't forget that PLAYS does not equal FGA. So, in actuality, it's more like 47% of his FGA were spot-up shots. The rest were P&R, some isolation (130 plays), etc. But the thing is, he was effective on those spot-up shots with points per play (PPP) of 1.1 (58th in the entire league). Meantime, his isolation plays produced only 0.80 PPP, so we still have to see if he can produce better with more plays.

[supersub15]

SS, is there a way you could link each and every number in your posts to where you got the numbers? Or maybe that's too much work.

Some of the numbers are from Synergy and the rest was calculated manually.

[Ripp]

Is this from Synergy? What happened on the 1350-511=839 plays where he wasn't used as a decoy?

Don't forget that PLAYS does not equal FGA. So, in actuality, it's more like 47% of his FGA were spot-up shots. The rest were P&R, some isolation (130 plays), etc. But the thing is, he was effective on those spot-up shots with points per play (PPP) of 1.1 (58th in the entire league). Meantime, his isolation plays produced only 0.80 PPP, so we still have to see if he can produce better with more plays.

Err...130 iso plays is a lot, no? And .8 PPP is very low, no? Like, if he isn't very productive on non-spotup plays, that is a very bad sign, isn't it?