Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC

[dk7th]

i don't watch sports to be entertained.

But you do.... we all do. Just like you watch your favorite tv show...to be entertained. You enjoy the form of entertainment presented in the game of basketball. Unless you're playing it...it's entertainment.

sorry kid, i don't equate television shows, which are fiction, with sports which are not fiction.

i'll keep it real simple so we understand each other: i watch sports as an educational and sociological phenomenon that reflects individual excellence, individual character, and the ability to work together as a group (team) to achieve a common goal. this is what a social species do to survive. and since i played the game there is plenty to relate to, especially analyzing the difference between success and failure. that's one reason why winning is more valuable than money-- winning builds character and money doesn't.

to watch sports as merely entertainment is to miss the point of sport entirely.

[OooSplendiforous]

i don't watch sports to be entertained.

But you do.... we all do. Just like you watch your favorite tv show...to be entertained. You enjoy the form of entertainment presented in the game of basketball. Unless you're playing it...it's entertainment.

sorry kid, i don't equate television shows, which are fiction, with sports which are not fiction.

i'll keep it real simple so we understand each other: i watch sports as an educational and sociological phenomenon that reflects individual excellence, individual character, and the ability to work together as a group (team) to achieve a common goal. this is what a social species do to survive. and since i played the game there is plenty to relate to, especially analyzing the difference between success and failure. that's one reason why winning is more valuable than money-- winning builds character and money doesn't.

to watch sports as merely entertainment is to miss the point of sport entirely.

Ok so youre one of those people who engulf themselves in a sport to fill a void

[OooSplendiforous]

I'm bringing up Tim Duncan because I'm at work and I don't have time to think of all the other boring players in the league. And you don't have to like Nate's game, but he's an exciting player to watch with a big personality, a lot of heart, and can do extraordinary things that other people his height could not. Alot of children get inspired by him and hes an extremely popular player; you cant deny that.

But Im a 24 year old grown ass man, not looking for inspiration, just winning

Ok? And? Just because it doesn't apply to you doesn't mean it doesn't apply to the millions of fans that Nate has that are younger than you. What applies to the case of one doesn't necessarily apply to the case of many.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Theres a reason why the NBA is a lot more sucessful today than a few decades ago when the NBA finals werent even shown live, they were shown on tape delay. The reason why? Because of marketing. How many endorsements does Tim Duncan have? How many jerseys does he sell? He's boring, quiet, no personality, no connection with the fans.

Nate Robinson is consistently in the top 10 of jersey sales. Guys like him make the league better. Basketball is my life, but I don't like boring people, and I don't like boring players. If the NBA was filled with a bunch of Tim Duncans and no Nate Robinsons or Jennings', or Arenas', thered be a lot less revenue coming in. I love basketball, but like I said all sports are ENTERTAINMENT. I don't enjoy watching Chris Duhon slosh his way up the floor, making the uninspired pass, the uncreative play, etc etc.

You have posters on your wall of Shawn Kemp dunking over 4 defenders, not Chris Duhon making a chest pass..

Why do you keep bringing up Tim Duncan? The NBA is full of different personalities, Duncan is just one person and one example, but do you know how many good players are in the NBA? How about Chris Paul? Dirk Norwitski? Steve Nash? Amare Stoudimire? These guys all have "pizzaz and swag" but dont come with the immaturity and arrogance. Also your telling me Nate Robinson is what makes the league better? Im sorry but

Good point. There's a big difference here. Guys like Magic, Nash, Kobe, MJ, Bird, etc all have/had flare on the court, but they didnt act like knucklheads and make so many dumb comments off the court. They had flare, but showed a high respect for there opponents.

Guys like Jennings and Marbury seem to not have a great concept of respect or there's just something off. If things go wrong, they make excuses. When things went wrong for MJ or Bird or Magic, they just worked 10000x harder.

I guarantee that if any of those guys above missed the cut they wouldn't make excuses like Jennings did. They would have worked harder.

Even if the Nike comment is true, he comes off sounding like a whiney bitch by saying it especially after the team wins the Gold medal.

Kids today

[HEZI]

I'm bringing up Tim Duncan because I'm at work and I don't have time to think of all the other boring players in the league. And you don't have to like Nate's game, but he's an exciting player to watch with a big personality, a lot of heart, and can do extraordinary things that other people his height could not. Alot of children get inspired by him and hes an extremely popular player; you cant deny that.

But Im a 24 year old grown ass man, not looking for inspiration, just winning

Ok? And? Just because it doesn't apply to you doesn't mean it doesn't apply to the millions of fans that Nate has that are younger than you. What applies to the case of one doesn't necessarily apply to the case of many.

Thats not the point, the point goes back to you calling some here conservative and boring just because we arent fond of the likes of Jennings and Nate Robinson. Your a kid tho, you still dont understand a lot about pro sports

[Teppler]

Ok so youre one of those people who engulf themselves in a sport to fill a void

Every action is filling a void in one way or another.

[OooSplendiforous]

Thats not the point, the point goes back to you calling some here conservative and boring just because we arent fond of the likes of Jennings and Nate Robinson. Your a kid tho, you still dont understand a lot about pro sports

I'm 23... I just have myself, that same personality, kind of a cross between Jim Rome and T.O. actually. I enjoy it, and I appreciate showmanship in others. All things aside though, I guess my real point was go ahead and hate a guys personality but that doesn't take away from his skills on the court. Jennings is a talented guy and we might have made the playoffs last season if we had him.

Its like the same thing when Clinton had all those problems because of the Monica Lewinski situation. Who gives a crap if the public doesn't like his actions regarding his romances? It doens't make him any less qualified as a president.

[dk7th]

sorry kid, i don't equate television shows, which are fiction, with sports which are not fiction.

i'll keep it real simple so we understand each other: i watch sports as an educational and sociological phenomenon that reflects individual excellence, individual character, and the ability to work together as a group (team) to achieve a common goal. this is what a social species do to survive. and since i played the game there is plenty to relate to, especially analyzing the difference between success and failure. that's one reason why winning is more valuable than money-- winning builds character and money doesn't.

to watch sports as merely entertainment is to miss the point of sport entirely.

Ok so youre one of those people who engulf themselves in a sport to fill a void

"fill a void?" i don't know much, and knowing that i don't know much, i guess i am filling a void. hence learning-- which is an active process-- provides meaning.

but the difference is that while i fill a void of ignorance by educating myself through the study of sport and derive meaning from that experience, people who look to sport as a source of being entertained-- a passive process-- are escapists from their own lack of meaning. such people confuse men who possess character with men who are characters.

as you continue to mature you will hopefully begin to appreciate the difference.

[OooSplendiforous]

sorry kid, i don't equate television shows, which are fiction, with sports which are not fiction.

i'll keep it real simple so we understand each other: i watch sports as an educational and sociological phenomenon that reflects individual excellence, individual character, and the ability to work together as a group (team) to achieve a common goal. this is what a social species do to survive. and since i played the game there is plenty to relate to, especially analyzing the difference between success and failure. that's one reason why winning is more valuable than money-- winning builds character and money doesn't.

to watch sports as merely entertainment is to miss the point of sport entirely.

Ok so youre one of those people who engulf themselves in a sport to fill a void

"fill a void?" i don't know much, and knowing that i don't know much, i guess i am filling a void. hence learning-- which is an active process-- provides meaning.

but the difference is that while i fill a void of ignorance by educating myself through the study of sport and derive meaning from that experience, people who look to sport as a source of being entertained-- a passive process-- are escapists from their own lack of meaning. such people confuse men who possess character with men who are characters.

as you continue to mature you will hopefully begin to appreciate the difference.

I didn't mean it in a bad way. But it really does sound like you feel overly connected to it.

I'm a diehard fan. And if you want to say you're learning how to play the sport better from watching that then thats understandable; I do the same thing. I watch guys like Jason Kidd and while being utterly in awe at some of the incredible things he can do on the court I try to learn from how he plays. But trying to learn how to accomplish things in a group from watching a game?Thats pretty self explanitory... No need to watch more than 1 game if thats all youre looking for.

[GONYK]

I'm sure whenever Donnie is building a team, he has a special scout just for swag. You draft and trade based on ability, not flair.

[OooSplendiforous]

I'm sure whenever Donnie is building a team, he has a special scout just for swag. You draft and trade based on ability, not flair.

my point is whether u like his "swag" or not he was the BPA....not jordan hill

[ComboGuardCity]

I think we can agree, the moves for the second max slot have been everything short of a failure. It all depends on Melo/2011.

So you think they were a failure? That combination of words doesn't mean anything.

Also, do you not realize that the 2nd max moves were the reason we were able to

A) sign and trade Lee and
B) get such value out of the Lee trade (iirc a TPE from us was involved... we took back much less salary)?

Our second max slot essentially turned into

Randolph
Turiaf
Azubuike
Felton
Mosgov
Resigning Bill Walker

I have a difficult time calling that a failure by any stretch.

I believe the Sign and Trade could've still occured if a Rookie contract was still on the books. Hence, those players do not make up the 2nd max slot or the Knicks couldn't go after Melo next off season.

[ComboGuardCity]

And to GONYK, Monta has never led a team into the playoffs and performed on a high level when he got there. Jennings was 20 years old and he took that Hawks team to the brink. He took over games, as a Rookie. Monta's potential is no where near Jennning's. I think your'e misinterpreting what potential means.

[dk7th]

I didn't mean it in a bad way. But it really does sound like you feel overly connected to it.

I'm a diehard fan. And if you want to say you're learning how to play the sport better from watching that then thats understandable; I do the same thing. I watch guys like Jason Kidd and while being utterly in awe at some of the incredible things he can do on the court I try to learn from how he plays. But trying to learn how to accomplish things in a group from watching a game?Thats pretty self explanitory... No need to watch more than 1 game if thats all youre looking for.

well i watch more than one game because as i said this is not fiction we observe but reality. and though the principle of ubuntu is a general one that one need only see once to understand, it is the effort of a group of men to emerge victorious by struggling to inculcate ubuntu into their work that never fails to educate. who are the leaders? who possesses the vision? who knows which part of his game to sacrifice for the greater good and when to sacrifice it?

the principle of ubuntu is unchanging and need only be witnessed once to learn its truth in team sport. but the individuals involved are always changing. it is the latter that keeps me watching since the former is a given.

[stuporman]

I'm sure whenever Donnie is building a team, he has a special scout just for swag. You draft and trade based on ability, not flair.

my point is whether u like his "swag" or not he was the BPA....not jordan hill

He might have been a better player than Hill to pick even if you think the risk is worth it but that doesn't necessarily make him the BPA. There are a few names I could throw in that pot who were left at the Knicks pick and Jennings might not even be top 3 by the time it's all said and done. As far as BPA goes. Even at the time of the draft there were players who were thought of as better prospects.

Better than Hill, sure, BPA? eh...debatable.

[MSGBallerz]

Didn't he shoot like 30 something percent last year? Nah. He's a chucker, he's stupid, he's immature, and he isn't really even that good. We don't need another of those.

[Nupe_1911]

Jennings had a very good rookie year he will most likely be better than Felton. The only people saying otherwise are Knick homers on this board. These silly homers claiming they would not want Jennings because he dances and tweets are laughable and delusional. Jennings has had no leagl problems, works on his game and got his team to the playoffs. But apparently twitter makes those things irrelevant

I seem to recall Walsh and Dantoni backpedaling on their decision not to take Jennings claiming they had not fully scouted him prior to the draft. This was while Jennings was dominating games, Hill was strapped to the bench and Duhon was impersonating diarrhea. But somehow, the Realgm Knick Homers are claiming Walsh would not take Jennings if he had a do over

[ComboGuardCity]

Why is Gallo allowed room to grow after his sophomore season, and Jennings sucks after having a great Rookie Season?

[GONYK]

And to GONYK, Monta has never led a team into the playoffs and performed on a high level when he got there. Jennings was 20 years old and he took that Hawks team to the brink. He took over games, as a Rookie. Monta's potential is no where near Jennning's. I think your'e misinterpreting what potential means.

I know exactly what potential means. Monta was a big part of the upset GSW had against Dallas. On top of that, Monta is 24, and has consistenly outperformed Jennings in every statistical category, is a much better defender, and just as fast.

Monta averaged 25/5/2 on 45% shooting, and a TS% of 52%. Why isn't he a superstar, but Jennings can be?

[GONYK]

Jennings had a very good rookie year he will most likely be better than Felton. The only people saying otherwise are Knick homers on this board. These silly homers claiming they would not want Jennings because he dances and tweets are laughable and delusional. Jennings has had no leagl problems, works on his game and got his team to the playoffs. But apparently twitter makes those things irrelevant

I seem to recall Walsh and Dantoni backpedaling on their decision not to take Jennings claiming they had not fully scouted him prior to the draft. This was while Jennings was dominating games, Hill was strapped to the bench and Duhon was impersonating diarrhea. But somehow, the Realgm Knick Homers are claiming Walsh would not take Jennings if he had a do over

What was so good about his rookie year? Take away his hype and his 55 pt game against GSW, and what do you have?

Not much.