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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#161 » by GotItNow » Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:18 am

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Thats not the point, the point goes back to you calling some here conservative and boring just because we arent fond of the likes of Jennings and Nate Robinson. Your a kid tho, you still dont understand a lot about pro sports



I'm 23... I just have myself, that same personality, kind of a cross between Jim Rome and T.O. actually. I enjoy it, and I appreciate showmanship in others. All things aside though, I guess my real point was go ahead and hate a guys personality but that doesn't take away from his skills on the court. Jennings is a talented guy and we might have made the playoffs last season if we had him.

Its like the same thing when Clinton had all those problems because of the Monica Lewinski situation. Who gives a crap if the public doesn't like his actions regarding his romances? It doens't make him any less qualified as a president.


It made him easy to blackmail.
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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#162 » by cgf » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:05 am

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Thats not the point, the point goes back to you calling some here conservative and boring just because we arent fond of the likes of Jennings and Nate Robinson. Your a kid tho, you still dont understand a lot about pro sports



I'm 23... I just have myself, that same personality, kind of a cross between Jim Rome and T.O. actually. I enjoy it, and I appreciate showmanship in others. All things aside though, I guess my real point was go ahead and hate a guys personality but that doesn't take away from his skills on the court. Jennings is a talented guy and we might have made the playoffs last season if we had him.

Its like the same thing when Clinton had all those problems because of the Monica Lewinski situation. Who gives a crap if the public doesn't like his actions regarding his romances? It doens't make him any less qualified as a president.


It made him easy to blackmail.


And kinda betrayed the trust a lot of the population had in him doing a good job of representing their interests which is kind of the only qualification one needs to become president other than being older than 35 and born in the USA.
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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#163 » by OooSplendiforous » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:11 am

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I'm 23... I just have myself, that same personality, kind of a cross between Jim Rome and T.O. actually. I enjoy it, and I appreciate showmanship in others. All things aside though, I guess my real point was go ahead and hate a guys personality but that doesn't take away from his skills on the court. Jennings is a talented guy and we might have made the playoffs last season if we had him.

Its like the same thing when Clinton had all those problems because of the Monica Lewinski situation. Who gives a crap if the public doesn't like his actions regarding his romances? It doens't make him any less qualified as a president.




And kinda betrayed the trust a lot of the population had in him doing a good job of representing their interests which is kind of the only qualification one needs to become president other than being older than 35 and born in the USA.


Do you tell the truth on every single aspect? Does it really pertain to you that he lied about an affair that would've destroyed his marriage? Is that relevant to running the country? Oh okay...

Do you tell your wife/girlfriend she gained some weight if she had asked you? I'm sure you'd lie and say "you look fine babe". People tell insiginificant white lies all the time. It doesn't matter in the scheme of things. Who the hell cares man...

Clinton had a surpluss while he was president rather than this huge deficit were in today. Talent is talent, it doens't go away because you don't like their personality or behavior.
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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#164 » by cgf » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:20 am

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cgf wrote:
OooSplendiforous wrote:I'm 23... I just have myself, that same personality, kind of a cross between Jim Rome and T.O. actually. I enjoy it, and I appreciate showmanship in others. All things aside though, I guess my real point was go ahead and hate a guys personality but that doesn't take away from his skills on the court. Jennings is a talented guy and we might have made the playoffs last season if we had him.

Its like the same thing when Clinton had all those problems because of the Monica Lewinski situation. Who gives a crap if the public doesn't like his actions regarding his romances? It doens't make him any less qualified as a president.




And kinda betrayed the trust a lot of the population had in him doing a good job of representing their interests which is kind of the only qualification one needs to become president other than being older than 35 and born in the USA.


Do you tell the truth on every single aspect? Does it really pertain to you that he lied about an affair that would've destroyed his marriage? Is that relevant to running the country? Oh okay...

Do you tell your wife/girlfriend she gained some weight if she had asked you? I'm sure you'd lie and say "you look fine babe". People tell insiginificant white lies all the time. It doesn't matter in the scheme of things. Who the hell cares man...

Clinton had a surpluss while he was president rather than this huge deficit were in today. Talent is talent, it doens't go away because you don't like their personality or behavior.


Of course I don't give a **** about whether Clinton was lying to the public about an affair he had, but the fact of the matter is that the only reason we have a President is to soothe the public to prevent us from revolting by giving us the impression that we have a controlling say in how this country is run and developed, and if the people no longer trust you, you can't fulfill you're primary obligation as president of the United States. So while it doesn't matter to me one bit, the problem is that I'm much more reasonable than most people and our Institutions were not designed for people like me. So while talent may in fact be talent there's so much more than just talent that goes into being successful because there's a lot of talented people, there's a lot less talented, hard working, trustworthy and reasonable people.

BTW you look fine baby isn't a lie but a deflection.
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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#165 » by GotItNow » Wed Sep 15, 2010 8:53 am

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cgf wrote:
OooSplendiforous wrote:



I'm 23... I just have myself, that same personality, kind of a cross between Jim Rome and T.O. actually. I enjoy it, and I appreciate showmanship in others. All things aside though, I guess my real point was go ahead and hate a guys personality but that doesn't take away from his skills on the court. Jennings is a talented guy and we might have made the playoffs last season if we had him.

Its like the same thing when Clinton had all those problems because of the Monica Lewinski situation. Who gives a crap if the public doesn't like his actions regarding his romances? It doens't make him any less qualified as a president.




And kinda betrayed the trust a lot of the population had in him doing a good job of representing their interests which is kind of the only qualification one needs to become president other than being older than 35 and born in the USA.


Do you tell the truth on every single aspect? Does it really pertain to you that he lied about an affair that would've destroyed his marriage? Is that relevant to running the country? Oh okay...

Do you tell your wife/girlfriend she gained some weight if she had asked you? I'm sure you'd lie and say "you look fine babe". People tell insiginificant white lies all the time. It doesn't matter in the scheme of things. Who the hell cares man...

Clinton had a surpluss while he was president rather than this huge deficit were in today. Talent is talent, it doens't go away because you don't like their personality or behavior.


Again, it made him easy to blackmail. Think about that. That is certainly relevant to running the country. He put himself into that position for something exceptionally frivolous. After it came out he did everything he could to obfuscate the situation.

BTW we did not have a surplus. He changed the way we handled our debt. It gets kinda detailed but basically it was an accounting switch.

Anyway, I liked Clinton for the most part although his administration pushing for the repeal of some parts of the Glass-Steagal act helped set us up for the bank failures we are currently experiencing. The Republicans were all too happy to accommodate him. That and Greenspan constantly increasing the money supply.

The deficits did rise rapidly under Bush.

Here's one reference, there are others that go into detail how exactly he declared a surplus but our deficit actually increased you can google them if you like.

http://meetthefacts.com/tag/budget-surplus/

1) According to the Treasury Department, when George W. Bush took office in 2001 the national debt was $5.73 trillion and when Bush left office in 2009, the national debt had increased to $10.63 trillion. That’s a 85% increase of $4.9 trillion. Sen. Menendez is off by 13%, but he is correct in the underlying message that the national debt did significantly increase under George W. Bush. Thus, we rate Sen. Menendez’s statement MOSTLY TRUE.

2) According to the Congressional Budget Office, under former president Bill Clinton there was a budget surplus in 1999 ($1.9 billion) and in 2000 ($86.4 billion). But the surpluses in 1999 and 2000 were not enough to eliminate the national debt. When the federal government spends more money than it takes in, that’s a deficit. When the government takes in more money than it spends, that’s a surplus (Treasury Department budget FAQs). Though former president Bill Clinton had two consecutive surplus years, the U.S. national debt actually increased $400 billion over his term (1992 to 2000).
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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#166 » by cgf » Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:16 am

Not having checked your link yet that bit you have bolded really only says that over the course of his presidency he incurred a larger debt to which all I can say is no one who knows what they're talking about would suggest anything to the contrary. What people like to point out is that for two years in a massively inflating economy of a bubble about to burst Clinton ran surpluses for just those two years. Which is plausible, Bush's deficits would've certainly been better when they had the housing bubble up and running than in the pre-housing bubble period to...if he hadn't been struck with the ingenious notion to further over-expand the quagmire that is US foreign policy.
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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#167 » by GotItNow » Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:06 am

cgf wrote:Not having checked your link yet that bit you have bolded really only says that over the course of his presidency he incurred a larger debt to which all I can say is no one who knows what they're talking about would suggest anything to the contrary. What people like to point out is that for two years in a massively inflating economy of a bubble about to burst Clinton ran surpluses for just those two years. Which is plausible, Bush's deficits would've certainly been better when they had the housing bubble up and running than in the pre-housing bubble period to...if he hadn't been struck with the ingenious notion to further over-expand the quagmire that is US foreign policy.


Here's one that goes into greater detail. I hesitated to link to it before because it's a right leaning site and I wanted to keep it impartial. I could look further and try to find another one if someone is interested.

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

The Myth of the Clinton Surplus

So why do they say he had a surplus?

As is usually the case in claims such as this, it has to do with Washington doublespeak and political smoke and mirrors.

Understanding what happened requires understanding two concepts of what makes up the national debt. The national debt is made up of public debt and intragovernmental holdings. The public debt is debt held by the public, normally including things such as treasury bills, savings bonds, and other instruments the public can purchase from the government. Intragovernmental holdings, on the other hand, is when the government borrows money from itself--mostly borrowing money from social security.
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Notice that while the public debt went down in each of those four years, the intragovernmental holdings went up each year by a far greater amount--and, in turn, the total national debt (which is public debt + intragovernmental holdings) went up. Therein lies the discrepancy.

When it is claimed that Clinton paid down the national debt, that is patently false--as can be seen, the national debt went up every single year. What Clinton did do was pay down the public debt--notice that the claimed surplus is relatively close to the decrease in the public debt for those years. But he paid down the public debt by borrowing far more money in the form of intragovernmental holdings (mostly Social Security).

Update 3/31/2009: The following quote from an article at CBS confirms my explanation of the Myth of the Clinton Surplus, and the entire article essentially substantiates what I wrote.

"Over the past 25 years, the government has gotten used to the fact that Social Security is providing free money to make the rest of the deficit look smaller," said Andrew Biggs, a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.
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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#168 » by Capital Edge » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:17 pm

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Capital Edge wrote:YOU DIDN'T NEED A **** TRUE PG, YOU JUST NEED A **** PG PERIOD BECAUSE ALL YOU HAD WAS CHRIS DUHON! LORD HAVE MERCY, MY GOODNESS, I'M ABOUT TO PUNCH A **** WALL ALL OVER AN ARGUMENT I'M HAVING WITH A KNICKS FAN B/C HE IS JEALOUS AND MAD HIS TEAM PASSED ON JENNINGS. Steph Curry is a combo guard, would you have passed on him because he is not a "true PG?"

If that is your argument (which I agree with to an extent) then we would have been better off taking Collison, Lawson, or Holiday before Jennings.

your right you guys would of been better of w/ any of those guys, the only problem is that Jennings is better than all of them.
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Post#169 » by Capital Edge » Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:19 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:Did you know that all Caps makes your argument more valid?

But Seriously, Jennings is a nice PG and I think he is going to be a perennial all star. However, that does not make him a true point guard. I think he can develop facilitating skills, but he is still more of a scoring PG. Seeing as you're a Bucks fan, I don't know how you can not see that.

Well seeing that you are a Knicks fan, I know why you can see that. :roll:
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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#170 » by cgf » Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:04 pm

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ComboGuardCity wrote:Did you know that all Caps makes your argument more valid?

But Seriously, Jennings is a nice PG and I think he is going to be a perennial all star. However, that does not make him a true point guard. I think he can develop facilitating skills, but he is still more of a scoring PG. Seeing as you're a Bucks fan, I don't know how you can not see that.

Well seeing that you are a Knicks fan, I know why you can see that. :roll:


We get it, you like BJ, problem is you're coach isn't Mike D who requires a point guard who'll quickly make plays for his team-mates. BJ's got a talent but being a quick thinking and acting floor general isn't his game. That's why he's a poor fit for the SSOL and this team and why I poorer scorer like Raymond Felton is actually quite likely a better fit.
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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#171 » by Capital Edge » Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:04 pm

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ComboGuardCity wrote:Did you know that all Caps makes your argument more valid?

But Seriously, Jennings is a nice PG and I think he is going to be a perennial all star. However, that does not make him a true point guard. I think he can develop facilitating skills, but he is still more of a scoring PG. Seeing as you're a Bucks fan, I don't know how you can not see that.

Well seeing that you are a Knicks fan, I know why you can see that. :roll:


We get it, you like BJ, problem is you're coach isn't Mike D who requires a point guard who'll quickly make plays for his team-mates. BJ's got a talent but being a quick thinking and acting floor general isn't his game. That's why he's a poor fit for the SSOL and this team and why I poorer scorer like Raymond Felton is actually quite likely a better fit.

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Post#172 » by ComboGuardCity » Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:09 pm

You'll probably get laughed off your own board if you say Jennings is a true point guard...
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Post#173 » by Capital Edge » Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:11 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:You'll probably get laughed off your own board if you say Jennings is a true point guard...

We'll see.
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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#174 » by cgf » Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:15 pm

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cgf wrote:We get it, you like BJ, problem is you're coach isn't Mike D who requires a point guard who'll quickly make plays for his team-mates. BJ's got a talent but being a quick thinking and acting floor general isn't his game. That's why he's a poor fit for the SSOL and this team and why I poorer scorer like Raymond Felton is actually quite likely a better fit.

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*shrug* I understand being from Milwaukee there's not much for you to be hopeful or positive about so it's hard for you to listen to someone not worship one of the few redeeming things about your city, but BJ's much more of a scorer than he is a playmaker and you know that to. It's like when I was working in Cleveland and people would get furious with me when I pointed out that Braylon Edwards had some of the most god awful drops in the league. But because he was one of 2 or 3 redeeming things about that city he got idolized and people get pissed when you critique their idols.
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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#175 » by Capital Edge » Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:22 pm

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cgf wrote:We get it, you like BJ, problem is you're coach isn't Mike D who requires a point guard who'll quickly make plays for his team-mates. BJ's got a talent but being a quick thinking and acting floor general isn't his game. That's why he's a poor fit for the SSOL and this team and why I poorer scorer like Raymond Felton is actually quite likely a better fit.

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*shrug* I understand being from Milwaukee there's not much for you to be hopeful or positive about so it's hard for you to listen to someone not worship one of the few redeeming things about your city, but BJ's much more of a scorer than he is a playmaker and you know that to. It's like when I was working in Cleveland and people would get furious with me when I pointed out that Braylon Edwards had some of the most god awful drops in the league. But because he was one of 2 or 3 redeeming things about that city he got idolized and people get pissed when you critique their idols.

Ok, Edwards and Jennings are two totally different things, there was really no need to bring him up. If you were Critiqueing Edwards when he had that 17TD season, I can see why people were pissed at you. Obviously Edwards didn't really work out in Cleveland but Jennings just came of his rookie season. Why don't we wait internet tough guy? The main problem is that you guys think that Felton is a better player and fit for you team.
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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#176 » by Rasho Brezec » Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:52 pm

Look, why don't you go rant about us in your little trolling thread you have on Bucks board and leave us alone? Majority of us already realized Marbury 2.0 is just an undersized SG who can't finish at the rim, you won't convince anyone that he's a PG.
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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#177 » by GONYK » Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:56 pm

GONYK wrote:If you think Westbrook is a true PG, that proves you have no idea what one is. Westbrook is barely and average passer, and has limited vision.

You probably think Jameer Nelson is a true PG too.


Hey CapitalEdge, that is my post that you sigged. I can't help but notice you changed some things.

That's straight shameful. If what I said was so ridiculous on it's own, why did you have to change it?
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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#178 » by cgf » Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:17 pm

Capital Edge wrote:Ok, Edwards and Jennings are two totally different things, there was really no need to bring him up. If you were Critiqueing Edwards when he had that 17TD season, I can see why people were pissed at you. Obviously Edwards didn't really work out in Cleveland but Jennings just came of his rookie season. Why don't we wait internet tough guy? The main problem is that you guys think that Felton is a better player and fit for you team.


Yep, that's the season I was talking about, people were so ready to ignore Braylon's lack of focus and dedication the same way they ignored Derek Anderson's god awful decision making because it was working out. Another example would be tardbury back when there were actually some people who thought he was any good, dude was a moron who hurt his team and I called him out for that type of **** constantly, but because he had a lot of talent and put up good numbers people dismissed the legitamite concerns about his on court decision making and ability to become a playmaker and leader.

You're right that BJ definitely has time to learn and change his game, but right now he's much more of a scorer than we need to run the SSOL properly while Felton understands that he's only supposed to score if he can't get someone else a great shot or if the D isn't taking him seriously, that's it, if the D is respecting the threat of him scoring and he can find someone else for a good shot that's what we need him to do and that's what Felton will do. BTW if you're going to play the patience card why doesn't that go both ways? Why don't you be patient to see how Felton plays in such a radically different environment that, at least in theory, is a much better fit for his skillset and style of play?
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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#179 » by cgf » Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:19 pm

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GONYK wrote:If you think Westbrook is a true PG, that proves you have no idea what one is. Westbrook is barely and average passer, and has limited vision.

You probably think Jameer Nelson is a true PG too.


Hey CapitalEdge, that is my post that you sigged. I can't help but notice you changed some things.

That's straight shameful. If what I said was so ridiculous on it's own, why did you have to change it?


Didn't he just remove the "d" that you accidently added to the end of "an" in "an average passer"?

EDIT: Nevermind, I just realized he also replaced "true" with "good" which completely changes the meaning of the sentence and negates the entire point of sig quoting someone's comment.
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Re: Do you still think Jennings would be good in NYC 

Post#180 » by gavran » Wed Sep 15, 2010 6:46 pm

Hmm, I didn't know Bucks fans were retarted....I guess I know now.

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