Mavs fan here, would you trade Diaw for Jet st

[Fred Williamson]

I wouldn't do it. DIaw is one of the Bobcats most essential players. The fans that want him gone just don't recognize all the good things he does for the team. He is a much better player then Terry.

Tyrus needs to play. Also, we need someone in the backcourt who can make shots and isn't a complete liability in all other areas like Matt Carroll is. Terry gives us flexibility allowing us to rest S-Jax and Crash a bit more. All Boris does is take away a big chunk of playing time from TT, unless of course you play TT or Boris at center which we can do like last season but it's not something that will get us very far.

Battery, Tyrus can't play starter minutes. He's not the type of player you want to give 36minutes per game. He's a 6th/7th man who's solid for 25minutes, but makes way too many stupid decisions to be a starter. His offense is not existend (passing included) and defensively he's grossly overrated. Yeah, he can grab a ton of rebound and block shots, but he leaves his man open way too many times and is just plain dumb. There is absolutely no potential in his game, because he is what he is, Stromile Swift 2.0

Losing Diaw would be a pain in the ass for this offensively overchallenged team. We don't have that many guys who can pass and create space for their teammates, and certainly no big man who can provide that. You guys really think Crash's slashing will still be that effective if we lose the guy who always finds him under the rim? Hell no. If Diaw is gone, we will have a ton of overathletic tweener's on this team who can't shot or create any offensive setplay, and that would be suicide.

[ajbry]

Battery, Tyrus can't play starter minutes. He's not the type of player you want to give 36minutes per game. He's a 6th/7th man who's solid for 25minutes, but makes way too many stupid decisions to be a starter. His offense is not existend (passing included) and defensively he's grossly overrated. Yeah, he can grab a ton of rebound and block shots, but he leaves his man open way too many times and is just plain dumb. There is absolutely no potential in his game, because he is what he is, Stromile Swift 2.0

Losing Diaw would be a pain in the ass for this offensively overchallenged team. We don't have that many guys who can pass and create space for their teammates, and certainly no big man who can provide that. You guys really think Crash's slashing will still be that effective if we lose the guy who always finds him under the rim? Hell no. If Diaw is gone, we will have a ton of overathletic tweener's on this team who can't shot or create any offensive setplay, and that would be suicide.

You're over-valuing Diaw quite a bit, but in principle I agree that he shouldn't be moved if it doesn't yield a big in return.

[Battery]

I wouldn't do it. DIaw is one of the Bobcats most essential players. The fans that want him gone just don't recognize all the good things he does for the team. He is a much better player then Terry.

Tyrus needs to play. Also, we need someone in the backcourt who can make shots and isn't a complete liability in all other areas like Matt Carroll is. Terry gives us flexibility allowing us to rest S-Jax and Crash a bit more. All Boris does is take away a big chunk of playing time from TT, unless of course you play TT or Boris at center which we can do like last season but it's not something that will get us very far.

Battery, Tyrus can't play starter minutes. He's not the type of player you want to give 36minutes per game. He's a 6th/7th man who's solid for 25minutes, but makes way too many stupid decisions to be a starter. His offense is not existend (passing included) and defensively he's grossly overrated. Yeah, he can grab a ton of rebound and block shots, but he leaves his man open way too many times and is just plain dumb. There is absolutely no potential in his game, because he is what he is, Stromile Swift 2.0

Losing Diaw would be a pain in the ass for this offensively overchallenged team. We don't have that many guys who can pass and create space for their teammates, and certainly no big man who can provide that. You guys really think Crash's slashing will still be that effective if we lose the guy who always finds him under the rim? Hell no. If Diaw is gone, we will have a ton of overathletic tweener's on this team who can't shot or create any offensive setplay, and that would be suicide.

I never said Tyrus was all that, in fact I haven't been very high on him, just hoping he proves me wrong after a full year under LB. The only way he's going to prove his worth is by playing so let him play. Diaw's not going to take us far, especially in the playoffs where he has to go against much better and taller big men, so that to me is, a complete waste of time.

And you're being a bit unfair with your Swift-TT comparison. Lets see what TT can do with a full year under a hall of fame coach before we decide whether or not to chuck him on the scrap heap. He might never be a 30 plus mpg starter but, the NBA needs really good role players and if that's all he becomes, then that's great too.

[Jaruff]

1. I agree with Fred. Tyrus is not starter material but we're paying him starter salary. You shouldn't play guys just because they earn a lot of money as you shouldn't play guys just because they're young BUT he is getting paid so there are expectations for him to play and to flourish.

2. Diaw is valuable because he can distribute the ball. There's a reason why he started 82 games last year. He will be the starter this year, and unless he is traded, I fully expect him to start all 82 games this year.

3. Stromile Swift comparisons are extremely fair. That's what Tyrus is; a younger, spitting image of Stro.

4. I'm not saying that Tyrus can't be a great player but he belongs on the bench on this team. I think it will take several starting performances for most fans to realize this; as Fred stated, Crash + Diaw is more efficient than Crash + Tyrus. Now, if we had a legitimate distributor at PG (Jason Kidd, Steve Nash), having Tyrus in the starting lineup would be great. But, as of right now, we have Boris Diaw and he is the best distributor that we have.

5. I don't want to pay a role player $8m+ starting in 2012. That's what Tyrus will make then, and it increases to nearly 10m before his contract expires. That's around 1/6th of the current NBA salary cap. 25-30mpg player getting 1/6th of team salary = makes no sense.

[BigSlam]

3. Stromile Swift comparisons are extremely fair. That's what Tyrus is; a younger, spitting image of Stro.

I'm with Battery - I don't think it's fair at all. The only thing they have in common is that they are both long, athletic freaks but T2 has something that Stro never had (or at least displayed) - heart and hustle. Not sure I ever saw Stro dive 5 rows back to save a loose ball the way T2 did during one of his first three games with us. T2 WANTS to get better. He WANTS to work hard. T2's heart and hustle will take him much further than Stro ever got in the NBA.

5. I don't want to pay a role player $8m+ starting in 2012. That's what Tyrus will make then, and it increases to nearly 10m before his contract expires. That's around 1/6th of the current NBA salary cap. 25-30mpg player getting 1/6th of team salary = makes no sense.

His contract starts at 6.6 and closes at 9.3 - but I get what you are saying and I totally agree. No way in hell do I want to be investing that sort of money into a player that isn't giving the team an extremely significant contribution on the court in return.

As for DIaw's impact on this team - I agree with some of the others - he could be our best player. The key word there is "could". I just don't think he's ever going to believe that himself or show it.

[Compton_Killa10]

I'm not even a dallas fan but Terry is better than Diaw so why would they throw in their most prized possession in Beaubois for Diaw. They have stated they won't trade Beaubois so that means they would only do it for a superstar and Diaw is not even close to that. To be honest I don't think Dallas would trade Beaubois for anyone on your team .

[SWedd523]

Point being..................... I would not do the trade. I know you think DeRozan is Jesus and all, but use your head and try and understand:




I would not do the trade, unless Roddy was added. And since Roddy won't ever be added, I won't do the trade.

[el-mago]

Also, we need someone in the backcourt who can make shots and isn't a complete liability in all other areas like Matt Carroll is.

Terry is actually very close to being a complete liability as of now. Have you seen him play lately ? He's terrible. Still undersized, slower and older than before, cannot play the point to save his life, does not get back on D, and he's miles away from the deadeye shooter he once was. Last season he often went through cold stretches til becoming completely useless on the court. At this point, i'd rather Diaw and that's saying a lot...

[Bassman]

Nope, bound to be a better deal than that for Diaw. If a 4 goes down to injury on a thin team in preseason we might have a chance to make a deal. But Terry is NOT the right swap for Diaw, although I'm eager to see us make a trade.

[Darren]

Also, we need someone in the backcourt who can make shots and isn't a complete liability in all other areas like Matt Carroll is.

Terry is actually very close to being a complete liability as of now. Have you seen him play lately ? He's terrible. Still undersized, slower and older than before, cannot play the point to save his life, does not get back on D, and he's miles away from the deadeye shooter he once was. Last season he often went through cold stretches til becoming completely useless on the court. At this point, i'd rather Diaw and that's saying a lot...

Not true. Jet's not a complete liability. Yes, he's undersized. But he's still a jet on the airway. Maybe he's not a natural distributor but he still gets his assists number. He does pressure his man. I've never seen him not getting back on defense. He's not the deadeye shooter he once was. But he's still one of the respectable shooter from the arc. You can look at his effiency number. You find some clues.

I think Sjax can create as well. I expect him and Jet a good compliment. So you don't need a natural PG on court. Neither Felton (now gone) or Augustine have better PG skills than Jet. They're just on the same boat.

Dallas needs PF (no backup) more than PG (Beaubois and Barea). This is the reason we look to trade him for Diaw. Before Tim Thomas declared not to play the coming season, we ain't looking for Diaw trade. Jet's not in our future plan anyway, we would rather let Roddy play his minutes.

[Battery]

I can't believe all of sudden it's become a Diaw love fest with some people. I was probably the only one giving him praise last season and Fats threw him an occasional bone too. Where was everyone else? Same with DJ who stunk last year, and now some of you are giddy with anticipation of him becoming the starter. I don't get it.

As for Terry, I make the trade with Boris because Terry gives us more team flexibility. It allows us to not have to play S-Jax and Wallace 40 plus minutes every game. However, trading for Terry is not one of my top options. But I would make the deal if we couldn't get a better option because I do not trust DJ. Now if we can get an expiring for Diaw, (probability at 2%) then I do that but that's not reality. Contracts are basically a wash so that shouldn't be a deterrent.

Who do you guys think we're getting for Boris Diaw? Carmelo Anthony? Chris Paul?

[Fred Williamson]

So you want Tyrus/Najera/Nazr/Diop and Brown aka the worst froncourt in the history of basketball, all sharing minutes at 4 and 5? And it wouldn't matter if not one of them is able to pass the ball or put it in the hole? You think we would still be able to win more than 30 games this season,even if opponent teams would just shutdown Crash and Jax and our offense would only rely on DJ or Sherron Collins, or in this case, Jason Terry?

[Grover]

I've thought this was one of the most logical trades since Jackson was acquired. Other than Roy or a Kobe in the triangle, I think the Jackson is a natural Terry fit in the backcourt and has a great chance for success. With the step backwards that the team has taken this offseason in order to save money and still a crying need for outside shooting, this is exactly the kind of move that could help and Terry might just be an expiring to boot which is logically more attractive at the trade deadline if he does not work out. If Dallas is over their management's man love for an aging playoff choker then I could see them looking for a Diaw who would benefit from playing less minutes and fill a need while opening minutes for Beaubois when he's ready to go. If not Terry then what about Ford, Solomon and the pick that pushed his girlfriend down the stairs for Diaw and a scrub as Indiana is trying to pair one player to fit Rolle on the roster and is looking for a power forward since Murphy's trade and Charlotte has a little wiggle room on incoming salaries with Dampier waived?

[SWedd523]

I've thought this was one of the most logical trades since Jackson was acquired. Other than Roy or a Kobe in the triangle, I think the Jackson is a natural Terry fit in the backcourt and has a great chance for success. With the step backwards that the team has taken this offseason in order to save money and still a crying need for outside shooting, this is exactly the kind of move that could help and Terry might just be an expiring to boot which is logically more attractive at the trade deadline if he does not work out. If Dallas is over their management's man love for an aging playoff choker then I could see them looking for a Diaw who would benefit from playing less minutes and fill a need while opening minutes for Beaubois when he's ready to go. If not Terry then what about Ford, Solomon and the pick that pushed his girlfriend down the stairs for Diaw and a scrub as Indiana is trying to pair one player to fit Rolle on the roster and is looking for a power forward since Murphy's trade and Charlotte has a little wiggle room on incoming salaries with Dampier waived?

The problem with trading Diaw is that Jackson would be our primary distributor, and with his inefficient nature, we need someone to dependably move the ball. As we're currently constructed, DJ, Jack, and Diaw fit nicely becuase of their skillsets. That's why trading for Terry (not a distributor) doesn't make a ton of sense, especially since it leaves Eddie as our primary backup.


As for your Indy idea, just curious but are you a Pacers fan? I'd do: Boris and Carroll for Ford, Stephenson, and Jones. We get a PG and you get a PF, you get rid of a not so good apple and we get rid of a not so good contract

[BobsBuddy]

I agree with Fred.. No way .Terry is not the point we need... We have 5 out of 17 players in camp that are point guards.
I have to believe that The addition of Crittenton now means that we will have 3 poinbt guards on the Roster and probably 1 on IR. DJ, Livingston, and Crittenton on roster and Collins or Miles on IR to backup if Livingston goes down.

We have a bunch of twos and threes on this team and there still maybe a trade in the works before season starts based on how camp goes. I still would like us to get Chaucey Billups for 1 years and would be willinhg to trade any of our current points, Carroll with Diaw to get him. Then with the expiring contracts next year go after Deron Williams and resign Billups as backup for 1 years ?

Whatever happens, our camp this year is going to be bruttal as 5 point guards go after three postions.

[DY_nasty]

Jason Terry is already on a steep decline... the numbers are still there, but he's not as effective as he used to be.

[nugentrk]

damn, you guys are glutton for punishment. MJ, LB and Higgins, all 3 of them need block the Mavs phone numbers. Nothing good ever happens by trading with the Mavs.