How are they going to stop us

TrueRain · Post #101 » by **TrueRain** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:38 pm

Wade is on early decline, and LeBron is gonna come off the bench. That's how they're gonna stop us.

radikalBaller · Post #102 » by **radikalBaller** » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:46 pm

Shaq still had a few word to say about the number of shots he was getting in cleveland even if he was their starting C. He might accept a lesser role but even at this stage of his carreer, he still thinks and maybe rightfully so that JON and Davis are the lesser players. Think of Iverson in menphis. Good or bad match ups none of these guys will handle well the DNP. Perkins and Garnett were their championship frontcourt and when Perks comes back for the playoffs, that will leave at most 25 min to share between Shaq,JON and Davis and one of these guys will get closer to 5 min per games if any.

They really need Davis as he might have the quickest feet among these guys. Otherwise that will make them too slow to come back on the break, guard the PnR and cover the quick PFs.

azuresou1 · Post #103 » by **azuresou1** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:24 pm

Offensively, teams will probably try to post up Bosh repeatedly, as he's a very average defender in that aspect. I'd imagine that they'd also send multiple cutters to the basket and do lots of off-the-ball stuff to try to get a guard or forward driving it on a C.

Defensively, teams will either sag off Wade/LeBron/Chalmers, or run a zone, probably a box-and-1.

Not sure how either of those would do.

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #104 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 7:32 pm

TrueRain wrote:Wade is on early decline, and LeBron is gonna come off the bench. That's how they're gonna stop us.

Well, I guess we could always make Bosh our #1 option.

Damn, this really is too good to be true.

Chosen01 · Post #105 » by **Chosen01** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:14 pm

Tim_Hardawayy wrote:
TrueRain wrote:Wade is on early decline, and LeBron is gonna come off the bench. That's how they're gonna stop us.

Well, I guess we could always make Bosh our #1 option.

Damn, this really is too good to be true.

According to some RealGmers Wade is already on the early Decline, and some Lakers Mod proposed LeBron coming off the bench :rofl:

DeeDub · Post #106 » by **DeeDub** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:28 pm

azuresou1 wrote:Offensively, teams will probably try to post up Bosh repeatedly, as he's a very average defender in that aspect. I'd imagine that they'd also send multiple cutters to the basket and do lots of off-the-ball stuff to try to get a guard or forward driving it on a C.

Defensively, teams will either sag off Wade/LeBron/Chalmers, or run a zone, probably a box-and-1.

Not sure how either of those would do.

Bosh is actually a pretty solid post-up defender. He gave up .84 points per post-up attempt last year, which isn't bad at all. Where his defensive numbers were weak were on PnR defense against the roller and on spot ups. I think both of those had a lot to do with the poor defenders next to him in Toronto, namely Bargnani and Calderon. Bosh showed that he can defend the PnR well in the Olympics and I think his poor numbers there are probably due to havign to switch a lot to cover up for Calderon's inability to stay with the ballhandler. He may also have been reluctant to charge out at spot up shooters because Bargnani gave no defensive presence inside in the event the guy faked the shot and drove. Bosh has the length, intelligence and athleticism to be a very good defender and I think we'll see that with him on a defensive oriented team with other real defenders like Anthony, LeBron, Wade, Haslem, etc.

azuresou1 · Post #107 » by **azuresou1** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:00 pm

Bosh defends smaller guys well, but he can be bullied against bigger or stronger PFs, like an Al Horford or a Boozer. So yes, he has the length, intelligence, and athleticism to be very good at defense, but not IMO the heart.

ifrosty13 · Post #108 » by **ifrosty13** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:11 pm

Against teams like the bulls I would have Haslem defending Boozer most of the game and leave Bosh defending Noah mostly.

Against the Lakers I wouldnt mind leaving bosh on Gasol since he is not known to be a massive dunker pushing players around.

Against Boston I would also leave Bosh on Garnett, similar games so I don't see much of a problem there.

Against Orlando, I'd definitely leave Bosh running around with Rashard Lewis.

In reality, there are few really good teams that I would have Bosh defending another player rather than their power forward.

DWadeno3 · Post #109 » by **DWadeno3** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:21 pm

azuresou1 wrote:Bosh defends smaller guys well, but he can be bullied against bigger or stronger PFs, like an Al Horford or a Boozer. So yes, he has the length, intelligence, and athleticism to be very good at defense, but not IMO the heart.

If he didn't have the heart before, he sure as hell will get it playing with Dwyane and LeBron, being coached by Spo and having Riles as his president.

HeatSince88 · Post #110 » by **HeatSince88** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 9:45 pm

I looked back at all the Boozer/Bosh matchups since 2006. There have only been 3 due to injuries ...

I calculated Boozer averaging 21pts on 45% in those matchups. He averaged 20pts on 54% against the rest of the league during that time.

That's hardly "bullying" someone IMO.

azuresou1 · Post #111 » by **azuresou1** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:25 pm

Why are you excluding 2006? Here's Boozer's average statline in that period from 5 games:

24.2 PPG, 14.2 RPG, 57.3 FG%

How is Bosh not getting bullied again?

HeatSince88 · Post #112 » by **HeatSince88** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:47 pm

LOL, so Bosh had 2 bad games against Boozer back in 2006 (or 2005?) ... And that proves that Boozer "bullies" him?

You're saying that what happened from 2006-2010 (when Bosh held Boozer to 45% rather than his usual 54%) doesn't matter? We need to look at 2 games from 2005-06 instead?

And that's assuming your numbers are correct...

BTW, I didn't go any further back than 2006-07 because it seemed like a waste of time after I'd already covered the last several seasons ... I mean, back in 2005 Allen Iverson was averaging 33.0 ppg; Bosh should've been a Junior at Georgia Tech; things have changed a little bit since then :roll:

HeatSince88 · Post #113 » by **HeatSince88** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:06 pm

Ah, so I went back and found the game that made your stats look so overwhelming.

It's true guys. On November 20, 2006, Boozer did indeed appear to bully Bosh.

Only if you read the play-by-play, Jorge Garbajosa was actually defending Boozer much of the game. At least judging by how many times he fouled Boozer (a lot)...

But if you're interested what's happened in the last 3 years ... again, Bosh has held Boozer at his usual scoring average, but at 45% FG instead of Boozer's usual 54% in that time.

salqaddoumi · Post #114 » by **salqaddoumi** » Mon Sep 20, 2010 11:16 pm

I'm shaking in my boots in fear of Carlos Boozer.

HIF · Post #115 » by **HIF** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:55 am

azuresou1 wrote:Bosh defends smaller guys well, but he can be bullied against bigger or stronger PFs, like an Al Horford or a Boozer. So yes, he has the length, intelligence, and athleticism to be very good at defense, but not IMO the heart.

Sounds like someone is still a little Butthurt.

Ripp · Post #116 » by **Ripp** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:06 am

Boozer is simply not going a guy who can bully CB in the post...he is too small.

If you search the right spots online, you can download and watch their most recent game yourself:
http://espn.go.com/nba/recap/_/id/30032 ... to-raptors

Download and watch the game. Boozer got most of his points through PnR play or jumpshots. The one or two times he tried isoing CB in the post, he shortarmed the shot.

I'd be more worried about a guy like Al Jefferson or Pau Gasol than Boozer, tbh.

azuresou1 · Post #117 » by **azuresou1** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:45 pm

HIF wrote:
azuresou1 wrote:Bosh defends smaller guys well, but he can be bullied against bigger or stronger PFs, like an Al Horford or a Boozer. So yes, he has the length, intelligence, and athleticism to be very good at defense, but not IMO the heart.

Sounds like someone is still a little Butthurt.

Yes, because my analysis clearly indicates I'm butthurt.
:roll:

HIF · Post #118 » by **HIF** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:58 pm

azuresou1 wrote:
HIF wrote:
azuresou1 wrote:Bosh defends smaller guys well, but he can be bullied against bigger or stronger PFs, like an Al Horford or a Boozer. So yes, he has the length, intelligence, and athleticism to be very good at defense, but not IMO the heart.

Sounds like someone is still a little Butthurt.

Yes, because my analysis clearly indicates I'm butthurt.

Anal ysis of what?

You mean that crap you wrote.

I don't know who you support but I could make a good guess and I'm sure it's not Miami.

I'm told that sometimes the butt hurts for awhile afterwards. :wink:

azuresou1 · Post #119 » by **azuresou1** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:07 pm

You haven't responded to any points and are skirting the issue of Bosh getting owned by PFs like Boozer or Horford.

If you want to close your eyes and pretend that Miami has absolutely no flaws and is going to go 82-0, be my guest, but the rest of us live in reality and the reality is that Miami is a 68-ish win team that has its weaknesses.

Anyways, back to the real discussion at hand with HeatSince88:
I haven't seen the most recent game, and 06 was a while ago, but all the games I've watched has Boozer absolutely torching Bosh, or an inferior defender like Garbojosa because Bosh is ineffective or unwilling to guard Boozer.

DWadeno3 · Post #120 » by **DWadeno3** » Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:15 pm

azuresou1 wrote:You haven't responded to any points and are skirting the issue of Bosh getting owned by PFs like Boozer or Horford.

If you want to close your eyes and pretend that Miami has absolutely no flaws and is going to go 82-0, be my guest, but the rest of us live in reality and the reality is that Miami is a 68-ish win team that has its weaknesses.

Anyways, back to the real discussion at hand with HeatSince88:
I haven't seen the most recent game, and 06 was a while ago, but all the games I've watched has Boozer absolutely torching Bosh, or an inferior defender like Garbojosa because Bosh is ineffective or unwilling to guard Boozer.

As I posted in the other thread, you have to consider that Bosh had to carry his team on his back and making sure they score more points than their opponents since nobody on that team is a good defender. It's not as if Boozer scores on Bosh all the time because Bosh certainly has the size, length and athleticism to guard Boozer. Don't tell me Boozer is that much stronger than Bosh though, he was just in a much more comfortable position than him. He had a great PG next to him and guys in the perimeter who could actually hold their man in front of them.

So before you try to pull out old stat sheets, think about the different situations the two were in at the time they faced each other and think about the situations they're both in now.