How are they going to stop us

[HIF]

You haven't responded to any points and are skirting the issue of Bosh getting owned by PFs like Boozer or Horford.

If you want to close your eyes and pretend that Miami has absolutely no flaws and is going to go 82-0, be my guest, but the rest of us live in reality and the reality is that Miami is a 68-ish win team that has its weaknesses.


Anyways, back to the real discussion at hand with HeatSince88:
I haven't seen the most recent game, and 06 was a while ago, but all the games I've watched has Boozer absolutely torching Bosh, or an inferior defender like Garbojosa because Bosh is ineffective or unwilling to guard Boozer.

doh!

You say he's going to get owned without any real proof.

I say he isn't .

difficult to understand eh?

[azuresou1]

@DWadeno3 - This is actually a pretty fair point and one that I didn't really consider. I'm still not ready to label Bosh as anything other than an average defender, but we'll see.

@HIF - Actually, I posted stats that, however much you want to pick at, are more than you've contributed.

[radikalBaller]

Bosh will be fine. He might get overpowered sometimes but he will be a nightmare to guard for these other PFs. He'll put them in foul trouble as he goes to the line a lot.

With Bosh and UD, the PF position will definitively not be a weakness. I don't get why everyone try to bash Bosh and never talk about him being a threat. Do you realise how talented this kid is ?

[Mind Bullets]

Bosh will be fine. He might get overpowered sometimes but he will be a nightmare to guard for these other PFs. He'll put them in foul trouble as he goes to the line a lot.

With Bosh and UD, the PF position will definitively not be a weakness. I don't get why everyone try to bash Bosh and never talk about him being a threat. Do you realise how talented this kid is ?

They're scared!

Our 3rd option averaged 24pts 11reb 2.4ast 1blk while shooting 52% from the field, and 80% from the line last season.

No other team in the league can match that kinda firepower!

[Ripp]

I highly, highly recommend watching the Raps/Jazz game that I mentioned earlier. Like I said, if you Google around, you can find a place to download it. Boozer simply cannot score in the post on Bosh at a high rate. Jumpshots from the elbow, sure. PnR with DWill, sure. But overpower CB and score on him in the block? Not a chance.

Looking at boxscores alone is misleading, since most of Boozer's points are created for him; he has some of the highest assisted rates of a PF in the league.

Again, download and watch that game, focusing on CBs defense alone. Or better yet, go download a block of 10 random games and watch his defense.

Things might change this upcoming year since Bosh doesn't seem as muscular as he was last year. But last year, not a chance of Booz doing that.

[Ripp]

Finally, read what one of the Jazz local newspapers had to say about it:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7000 ... .html?pg=1

I'll let you read that and judge for yourself.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

I highly, highly recommend watching the Raps/Jazz game that I mentioned earlier. Like I said, if you Google around, you can find a place to download it. Boozer simply cannot score in the post on Bosh at a high rate. Jumpshots from the elbow, sure. PnR with DWill, sure. But overpower CB and score on him in the block? Not a chance.

Looking at boxscores alone is misleading, since most of Boozer's points are created for him; he has some of the highest assisted rates of a PF in the league.

Again, download and watch that game, focusing on CBs defense alone. Or better yet, go download a block of 10 random games and watch his defense.

Things might change this upcoming year since Bosh doesn't seem as muscular as he was last year. But last year, not a chance of Booz doing that.

yea Boozer having big numbers dont surprise me.. Raptors team defense and rebounding is terrible.

Its gonna be much harder for Boozer to get those easy baskets around the rim or easy pick and roll .. with Wade/Lebron roaming around and everyone helping each other unlike the Raptors who just dont even bother to play team defense.

The only guy that worries me against Bosh is Pau Gasol .. but I think Bosh can give him problems on the other end ..

[Ripp]

Yeah, I'd feel more comfortable about CB guarding Pau if he weighed more...say he was at his playing weight from last season. But to be honest, Pau abused KG and the Celtics still almost won. At the very least CB will not let Pau gobble up offensive rebounds over him...worst case scenario you have to send some help in a postup.

But with that said, if CB is (a) not required to be the first option (b) has some help on the boards (c) doesn't have to guard Cs, I think he'll have enough energy left to play good defense on Pau. It is really physically draining to do all of the above things for an entire season.

[DWadeno3]

Yeah, I'd feel more comfortable about CB guarding Pau if he weighed more...say he was at his playing weight from last season. But to be honest, Pau abused KG and the Celtics still almost won. At the very least CB will not let Pau gobble up offensive rebounds over him...worst case scenario you have to send some help in a postup.

But with that said, if CB is (a) not required to be the first option (b) has some help on the boards (c) doesn't have to guard Cs, I think he'll have enough energy left to play good defense on Pau. It is really physically draining to do all of the above things for an entire season.

I doubt Gasol will cause that much damage against Bosh though. Let's face it, KG was hurt during the Finals and Bosh is definitely a better defender than a hurt KG. Almost every PF is most likely a better defender than a hurt KG, so I'm not worried about Gasol. He's just gotten so overrated in the past two years because the Lakers won titles and he thrived in his role as a co-star but I don't even know if he's better than Bosh overall.

In case the Spurs make it to the Finals we could face Tim Duncan at PF if Splitter turns out to be a productive enough center for them and even an old Timmy could possibly cause damage against CB. But then again, how much can it really be? Enough to outweigh our dominance at the SG and SF spot against any team in this league? I doubt it. Plus, basketball is still a team sport so direct matchups won't be the case in most scenarios anyways.

[andre316]

In Toronto, Bosh was playing with fake big man Andrea Bargnani. Now he's going to be playing with the much tougher Joel Anthony, Udonis Haslem, and maybe even Erick Dampier.

Last year, Miami was the second best scoring defense and the second best field goal % defense in the NBA with Michael Beasley at power forward. And now they won't be facing LeBron or Bosh anymore.

With the above in mind, I don't see how any sane person can conclude that we have a lot to worry about defensively this year, particularly at the power forward spot. Based on his track record in Toronto, Bosh is a clear upgrade defensively over Beasley, and his track record in Toronto probably sells him short considering his teammates and coaches there.

[Unt0uchabl3]

lockout

[-MK-]

lockout

That would just delay the inevitable.

[hourockman]

People forget that Wade and LeBron are possibly the best defenders at their positions. The positions that the new age NBA allows for the most scoring, with no handchecking. Scoring is done from the perimeter these days. And we have two of the best defenders there who don't pick up fouls.

Push the little daisies and make em come UP!

[BadMofoPimp]

Heck, if at times they play Wade and Bron on the wing, then slide Bosh to SF with Haslem and Anthony/Big Z, that would make it tough for the Boozers and Amare's out there.

[Rodrizzle]

Heck, if at times they play Wade and Bron on the wing, then slide Bosh to SF with Haslem and Anthony/Big Z, that would make it tough for the Boozers and Amare's out there.

I dont see Bosh playing SF at all, that would make no sense

[Green Giant]

Goodbye!

-LEIF-

[BronBron06]

I dont see Bosh playing SF at all, that would make no sense

Joel on Bynum
Z on Gasol
Bosh on Artest
James/Wade on Kobe
James/Wade on MEH

Comments?

[CB4MiamiHeat]

I dont see Bosh playing SF at all, that would make no sense

Joel on Bynum
Z on Gasol
Bosh on Artest
James/Wade on Kobe
James/Wade on MEH

Comments?

thats not even that crazy an idea considering how bad an offensive player Artest is now a days .. but its not gonna happen, we just got way better lineups

[roy_jones_calderon]

I actually think Bosh is the most underrated guy in the grand scheme of things. The guy was as efficient offensively as Gasol last year, I think it is simply the fact that people don't like the WAY he scores because he's not a guy that bangs down low that people get so caught up in. Look at this past season, we started a lot of games in the half court by going inside to Jermaine, this despite the fact Jermaine wasn't exactly scoring in bunches. I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing with Bosh even with James and Wade.

I agree, but then again I'm a Raps fan. It's natural that he would get sorta overlooked in the context of Wade and Lebron.

He's probably a better pure shooter than either. He might be even more deadly in the midrange off the PnR. Offensively, I think he's one of the very few players in the league that is truly unguardable. Ultimately, there are a greater number of quality athletes on the perimeter, but Bosh gets to go up against post guys and no one has his quicks- he can make defenders look even more foolish. If you're going to try to defend him one-on-one, you're finished, he's either going to the line or scoring.

Another thing that may not get enough attention is the way that Lebron's size and strength at the three will complement his quickness game. Bosh will be a terrific release valve shooter in ways that I don't think Wade or Bron are capable of being. I think Bosh should be the high scorer on the Heat if they want to maximize him, as Bron/Wade can do more in other areas.

I think Heat fans are going to have to coin new terminology for what these guys are going to do on offense. I'm tempted to use the word "blitzkrieg", as these guys go the line at such a rate that opposing teams are going to literally become dysfunctional and break down in ways that are going to prompt the league to consider rule changes purely on their account. Teams are going to play zone and simply risk the open threes because otherwise they'll descend into chaos.

[shadowx]

You need North Korea nukes, Superman to become evil, Dr. Doom will help and maybe Darth Vader coming of the bench.