Carmelo Anthony Thread (Merging)

[Nets44]

I think what's being looked at here is who can you build a team AROUND and who can CARRY a team, not who is a bigger superstar. I can't imagine Bosh carrying a team anywhere.

[bigballajohn]

so if the nets are front runners for melo, could they also get cp3 in a trade? ik the whole cp3 thing has somewhat passed, but if the nets gave the hornets a good offer they might consider it

Melo for Favors, Murphy, Humphries and a #1

Paul for Harris, Ross, James and a #1

Paul
Williams
Melo
Outlaw
Lopez

Forget the knicks, the nets have a way better situation for those guys, especially if they can keep williams (although they might have to throw him in instead of ross)
Only thing that a Melo trade for the nets would b bad for is that the pf position would b left open. i think a lineup of harris/williams/outlaw/favors/lopez could be a team that could do some damage. lopez and favors seem like they would b an awesome combo, and if pauls not available, harris has proven when healthy hes a top 10 pg in the league. whether the nets get melo and/or paul or neither, they r in good shape.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

inefficient scorer, poor passer, so-so defender, shoots too much, averages only 48 wins despite solid supporting casts...what's so great about him? is it the nickname or the hair?

Wrong on pretty much everything you say. Hope you are trying to do that.

Anyone who thinks he is an inefficient scorer, doesn't watch him play. Poor passer? Again, try watching him. He is a good passer and willing passer. His coach just doesn't believe in organized offense, so he doesn't put up the assist numbers. He is a good defender, when he puts effort in to it. You seemed to leave out he is a great rebounder for his position, his coach just normally has him leak out on the fast break. And a solid supporting cast? Camby was a stat whore who hurt the team and didn't deserve his DPOY award, and most years his teams have had major injuries and been poorly constructed.

Seems like you are just here to troll or something, since you actually know absolutely nothing about Denver and the Nuggets.

[vincecarter4pres]

^^Homer much?

Although I absolutely do not agree with the hyberbolic overkill Dice is spewing about Melo, your rebuttal is equally as eye rolling and who's trolling where about what? Neither of you are Nets fans, so be easy with that label...

Melo actually is an inefficient scorer, or at least he's basically averagely efficient.

He's not a poor passer, but let's cut the coach is killing his game shtick.
I hate that old tired excuse that's been used league wide for centuries.
Whenever a player doesn't do something well, or does it bad, or doesn't excel in a certain facet of the game, or isn't effective in specific situations, it's always someone else's fault.
Does the coaches style, mentality, ideals, substitutions, play calling, etc., effect a player?
Yes, certainly, but let's not make it like Melo would average 5 or 6 apg in another offense.
Let's also not confuse raw assist #'s with passing and playmaking ability.

Yes he is a good defender when he puts in the effort, but that statement in itself is telling, as is the fact he has improved tremendously on that side of the ball the last 2 seasons and at best can now be considered average or solid.

Great rebounder for his position? No. Nothing more to argue on that, he's not "great".

Solid supporting cast over the years? With the exception of maybe 2, 2 and a half seasons of his 7 year career, abso-freakin'-lutely he has had a solid supporting cast and a well above average one since the Billups trade and relative health of KMart and Nene, although I think that will be very short lived, as in they won't remain healthy this season or ever again.

Maybe you should follow your own advice and watch him yourself, just don't forget to takeoff the powder blue goggles first this time.

I already know what the comeback will sound like on this one though, I'm just a "hater".

[That Nicka]

this thread is hilarious

[Nutty Nats Fan]

^^Homer much?

Didn't know criticizing a team I'm a fan of made me a homer.

Melo actually is an inefficient scorer, or at least he's basically averagely efficient.

Disagreed there, easily.

He's not a poor passer, but let's cut the coach is killing his game shtick.
I hate that old tired excuse that's been used league wide for centuries.

Explaining why something is the way it is, isn't an excuse. I've been following the Nuggets and Melo is a good passer. GK just believes in chaos offense, and doesn't support player movement. Melo usually does a good job hitting a cutter, when someone actually cuts. An example for you: Najera cutting to the basket was usually an automatic layup because Melo would hit him with a pass. What did GK do? Decided to stop having him cut and start shooting threes.

Yes he is a good defender when he puts in the effort, but that statement in itself is telling, as is the fact he has improved tremendously on that side of the ball the last 2 seasons and at best can now be considered average or solid.

He did a really good job on Kobe in the WCF's, you gotta be better than just an average defender to do that. I will agree he should put more effort in to defense all the time, but he does spend a lot of energy on offense.

Great rebounder for his position? No. Nothing more to argue on that, he's not "great".

And this goes to show you don't watch him play. He could average 9 a game, if GK didn't send him down court to try and score on the fast break. Watch some games, usually when the shot goes up, he takes off.

Solid supporting cast over the years? With the exception of maybe 2, 2 and a half seasons of his 7 year career, abso-freakin'-lutely

You're a bit confused, besides 2 years, he hasn't had a solid supporting cast. This past season it was debate-able to even say that, with the injury situation to Kmart and Birdman. The year he went to the WCF's was the only year he finally had a well built (besides having the worst starting SG in the league) and healthy team.

I already know what the comeback will sound like on this one though, I'm just a "hater".

Hater? No. Just clueless about the Nuggets.

[Lamak]

It sucks that we're on Melo watch AGAIN. Get the deal done or shuddap Billy.

[vincecarter4pres]

this thread is hilarious

Thanks for your valuable contribution.
Hope to see you again.

[devv83]

Damn at least New York fans want him, all you guys are doing is trashing Melo.

billups, pierce, josh smith, boozer, kidd, horford, marc gasol, amare, lopez, duncan, better than Melo




Is this guy serious JASON KIDD

[vincecarter4pres]

Damn at least New York fans want him, all you guys are doing is trashing Melo.

billups, pierce, josh smith, boozer, kidd, horford, marc gasol, amare, lopez, duncan, better than Melo




Is this guy serious JASON KIDD

He's not a Nets fan lunch box...

[orecchio14]

Although I, like many Nets fans, am against including Favors in a deal for Carmelo...

It needs to be said that adding him while keeping Harris and Lopez would give us three cornerstones for a championship squad...a budding all-star center, a point guard a year removed from the all-star game...and a scoring MACHINE on the wing. Yes we would have a gaping hole next season at the four if both murphy and favors are included in the deal....but thats a spot we can address next off-season with the mid-level exception or via trade (assuming some of our other assets blossom i.e. twill, djames, outlaw ect)

I think too many people worry about top ten/top 20 rankings with Carmelo. Maybe he isnt a top ten player. But anyone who makes an argument against Melo being one of the best pure scorers in the league right now is absolutely off base. He isnt the most complete player in the league...many players have shortcomings. Favors will most certainly have his if/when he blossoms. But when you consider that talented base are squad would have and the newly added infa-structure our brand new front office/coaching staff will provide for the coming years....

A core of:

Harris
Melo
Lopez

Thats a great start when you consider the youth of all three players...and although we all love the raw and unproved potential that oozes out of favors...we still do not know what we have there yet.

So while i'd love to keep favors..if it is a deal breaker i think the team would be better off pulling the trigger. Adding Carmelo while keeping Lopez and Harris would accelerate the curve here imo and get us closer to the top of the Eastern Conference than waiting and seeing what the unproven can do.

Add the great, proven talent now while you have the chance and the hole you have created at another position can be adressed in the not so distant future.

[Fat Kat]

Interesting news.

http://twitter.com/chris_broussard

Neither NJ or Den been told Melo will re-sign w/NJ. Until then, Melo-to-NJ all speculation. One exec told me Melo won't sign w/NJ.

NJ may b able to convince Melo to re-sign but rt now no guarantee. Guarantee needed for NJ to pull trigger

Here's some video.

http://search.espn.go.com/chris-broussard-carmelo/

[Rockice_8]

Interesting news.

http://twitter.com/chris_broussard

Neither NJ or Den been told Melo will re-sign w/NJ. Until then, Melo-to-NJ all speculation. One exec told me Melo won't sign w/NJ.

NJ may b able to convince Melo to re-sign but rt now no guarantee. Guarantee needed for NJ to pull trigger

Here's some video.

http://search.espn.go.com/chris-broussard-carmelo/

All you guys do on the Knicks board is bash BSPN so don't come over here with some Broussard BS. If he won't sign so be it I'm happy with the direction of my team either way and until I hear it from him it's all rumors. Go ahead let him hold out and lose money so he can play in NY cause by the time NY can build a team around him Amare will probably be shot. Melo might be one of the biggest douches in all the league so if we could win without him I'd prefer it that way. If we have to get him to win so be it I root for the name on the front of the jersey.

[Fat Kat]

Interesting news.

http://twitter.com/chris_broussard

Neither NJ or Den been told Melo will re-sign w/NJ. Until then, Melo-to-NJ all speculation. One exec told me Melo won't sign w/NJ.

NJ may b able to convince Melo to re-sign but rt now no guarantee. Guarantee needed for NJ to pull trigger

Here's some video.

http://search.espn.go.com/chris-broussard-carmelo/

All you guys do on the Knicks board is bash BSPN so don't come over here with some Broussard BS. If he won't sign so be it I'm happy with the direction of my team either way and until I hear it from him it's all rumors. Go ahead let him hold out and lose money so he can play in NY cause by the time NY can build a team around him Amare will probably be shot. Melo might be one of the biggest douches in all the league so if we could win without him I'd prefer it that way. If we have to get him to win so be it I root for the name on the front of the jersey.

Why the hostility? I'm just adding to the conversation.

[enetric]

haha so all the 76ers have to give up is Iggy and they get favors and a top 7 st round pick...doubt it

top 7 protected means they don't get the pick if it is top 7. So 8th or worse. If it's top 7 for 3 years it turns into 2 2nd rounders.

What are the chances that an 8th or worse pick is even gonna be a starter let alone an all-star?

It would be a real shame to "gut" a 12 win team.

Except we already gutted that 12 win team. What's left now? 3 guys who started the season with us last year? THis team has been stockpiling young assets. Melo is fine...but overpay and how do you build around him? How do you make a team that can contend when you give him 22mil out of a 58 cap and then give away most a big chunk of what is good for your team. If you make the trade....what then? if you pass on it....you have all your assets...yes lose more...draft higher...and have huge cap room. Which team gets better first is the real question? You arent just trading the players....but all the flexibility that comes with them.

[orecchio14]

So broussard reports melo to the nets is speculation (without naming a source)...realgm reports on its wiretap that it came from an nba exec (which broussard did NOT say) AND netsdaily basically reports it depends melos current stance.

Unless we hear it from the horses mouth...no reason to believe anything broussard says is anything other than speculation

[enetric]

Melo not a top 10 player?? Youre insane. True, alone he doesnt make the nets a contender, but they certainly improve drastically to earn a playoff spot and attract more players next season. Im not for taking the gamble to see how favors and our 2012 first rounder will pan out. I predict favors to be really good, but not on melo's level. Get the proven star player and roll from there.

He isnt a top 10 NBA player. No. He is a great scorer who comes up short in every other area of his game. But that isnt the issue. The issue is...planting a 22mil salary on that 12 win team does more to get inthe way of growth than the assortment of young low paid talent, cap room and future high draft picks we have. You said and then roll from there. Where is there? 40 wins? A medicoire pick...and an MLE year after year?

KNOW YOUR CAP....

[enetric]

Melo is barely a top 10 player.
His play fluctuates so badly and the top 7 to say 18 range is so subjective it's arguable he falls out of the top 10 in any given season as well.
There is no doubt Melo is a star and a winner, but he is absolutely not a superstar.
He's a really good player, but it seems a majority of the league, media and fans severely overrate him.


And to hit on a point of yours from the last page without quoting, I don't see the relevance of Harris or Favors, as in giving up one of them. They don't compare in the least. Favors, although obviously can become a bust, is an elite big man prospect with huge trade value and an enormous amount of true potential for this team.
Harris is a stopgap, or a starter of overall low importance in the grand scheme of things if this team is to be a contender. He is not a building block, an elite player or excessively valuable and he is easily replaceable. You cannot compare the two on any level except who is currently the better player.

Fans over rate ALL hgh scoring average players. Always have. Its why the same people could say Kidd cant score...but in the same sentence call Iverson a great scorer. Had Kidd taken 24 shots a night...why couldnt he have been a great scorer. FG% wise...not much difference. In fact Kidd is the better 3 point shooter. But people will reward scoring averages with lofty praise regardless of shot selection and other weaknesses.

[enetric]

No one wants to give up favors in a deal, but it may just be the only way. Some people think it's worth it and others don't. When it comes to philly, the only way to keep favors would be to take on brand. Now before you dismiss the idea because of his contract, consider the fact that any deal to get melo would put njn out of major free agent contention for at least 3 years anyway. Also, brand isn't a terrible player, he's just compared to his pre injury self and has a terrible contract. It would have to be something like this:

NJ in: Melo, Brand
Den in: Iguodala, TWill, humph, Ross, GSW 1st, 2011 NJN 1st, $6mil.
PHI in: Harris, Murph

from Phillys POV it's broken down like this: Harris for Iggy is close talent wise, but Harris is cheaper. Then it's brand for murph. Now my only question is, how much is it worth to Philly to get rid of brands contract for a starting and expiring PF? I'd say at least a protected 1st to Den and possibly Jrue Holiday to the Nets.

Your problem is...you dont understand the impact of taking on bad contracts cap wise. You are trying to have a talent argument...and even then...its obvious you are basing a lot fo your thoughts on players stats not reality.

[enetric]

i think it's hilarious that the knicks board is the only one salivating over carmelo. say anything bad about him and people react as if he's a family member. the fact is, whatever team that has to give up quality assets for his bloated contract will be the loser in all of this

i doubt melo's even in my top 20 players in the league

The Nix are the one team that SHOULD salivate over him. Seriously. MAking moves have to do with direction and what you have going for you. See....Melo for us would be like what they did with Amare. Its saying hey...screw it all. At leasy we have ONE big fat ass contract. The Nix did that...so once you do that and you STILL arent a good team? it becomes...OK NOW WHAT????

Nix didnt have a whole lot in terms of future growth assets...but they dipped into what they had...HARD to be here. So basically...there is little downside for them to deal an expiring contract and say Gallo. Why NOT do it? Your best prospect plays the same spot....and your current plan is free agency. If you can lock up Melo now...ands PAIR him with Amare? Of course you do that!!!

Be we wouldnt be in that boat. We would be pairing 22 mil Amare with 2mil and much younger Brook...to try and contend in the Heat's 6 year window. From there...the pressure is on US to add ANOTHER major piece. But how do you do that? The vast majority of our upside pieces after that are going to get crunched by Melo. Outlaw making 7 mil and losing minutes. Morrow, and Twil figiting for shots and minutes? SO what's next? How do you get that next guy?

Nix committed to a plan I dont like. But they did it. Cant stop now. I just dont want to go down the same path. TIming wise....looking around the league...cash wise looking at the cap...asset wise...what we might have to give up....IF we have to go all out here...I dont like it. It doesnt come anywhere near actually making us a good team. Certainly not better than the team Melo has now in Denver.