Carmelo Anthony Thread (Merging)

[enetric]

Melo is going to wind up here with no Favors or Brook involved if he does indeed wind up here, IMO.

This illusion that Denver has leverage is amusing.

It's Chris Bosh last season all over again.

They'll get something good for him, but a prospect like Favors is an absolute pipe dream IMO.

I am 100% against trading Favors for Melo. No team is going to offer up a top tier prospect like Favors or Turner or Evans or any other guy like that. I will give up T-Will, James, Murphy and any combination of picks they want but thats as far as I'm willing to take this. We need to keep our core of Harris, Lopez, and Favors. PLEASE DON"T TRADE FAVORS!!

IU wouyld give up Harris. I just want to be clear. I hve my beef here...but I do understand that Melo isnt garbage. THis is a talent per dollar issue. You always have to factor that in when trying to build a winner. Melo at that price, plus what we lose, plus the middle of the pack record...stuck.

I have two untouchables on my list. TWO. Brook and Favors. PERIOD. I would give up Devin. I love Twill but would do that. I would deal picks....and I would give up Troy.

I want to walk away from Favors and Brook in a deal. Keep those two...and your potential to keep improving makes it well worth the salary it will take for Melo.

In the end? We are stil jumping the gun. We are falling for the trap. Worrying about what Denver wants. NJ being on Melo's destination list is still a RUMOR. He says NO to an extension..that's that.

Plus, the more you give up...the less likely he AGREES to the extension. He loves Denver. And they have a much better supporting cast that we have. What makes you people think he says...yes to a a gutted team in Newark for a year without hesitation?

[enetric]

i think it's hilarious that the knicks board is the only one salivating over carmelo. say anything bad about him and people react as if he's a family member. the fact is, whatever team that has to give up quality assets for his bloated contract will be the loser in all of this

i doubt melo's even in my top 20 players in the league

If Melo is not in your top 20 then your opinion is worthless.

inefficient scorer, poor passer, so-so defender, shoots too much, averages only 48 wins despite solid supporting casts...what's so great about him? is it the nickname or the hair?

He CUT the hair.

[enetric]

From Simmons' trade value column in February:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... 100208/two

"6. Carmelo Anthony
If you came out of a 10-year coma and watched the 2010 All-Star Game, you would have turned it off thinking that Wade, LeBron and Melo were the three best players alive in some order. And except for Kobe not being included, you would have been right. You can absolutely win a title if Carmelo is your best player. I wouldn't have said that two years ago."

i like simmons, but melo's play has actually deteriorated in the past 2 years

you know what you're getting with Carmelo, and despite what a few delusional people say, he's a franchise player in his prime.

he's a franchise player if your franchise is ****. but yes, he is in his prime

For some, Favors would be too much, which is understandable, but it's a huge risk to depend on his development rather than take the proven franchise guy.

favors is a very good prospect on his rookie contract. melo is overpaid. why trade a good thing for a bad thing?

Lets be fair. Two years ago...he had a set back season. But he is coming off a career year. Now..get him to take 14 mil like Lebron...no problem. But 22mil...and give up a big chunk of our assets? that is where you run into a problem. Yes you can win a title with Melo as your best player. But when Brook is your second and the other team has Wade...and Outlaw backing up MElo is your third and the other team has Bosh? You have a problem. Should we deal Devin, Favors, picks...how do we improve? That is the problem. It will jus be a window in time of medicortiy leading to the next rebuild. But...take your time, let youth develop...add MORE talent for your losing along the way..make good talent per dollar decision...your players will hit their prime in the NEXT window and be ready to do soemthing. I am willing to suck now to be ready for something special rather than be a little bit better...going no where only to suck again in a very short time period.

I want to build a contender. Not a playoff pit stop team.

[enetric]

inefficient scorer?? Dude is a top 5 scorer in the league

so is monta ellis. both shoot too much

Name me 20 people in the league better than him.

lebron
durant
g. wallace
pierce
wade
kobe
CP3
nash
kidd
deron
rondo
billups
amare
dirk
josh smith
boozer
howard
bosh
horford
duncan
BOTH gasols
lopez

that's 22. and there are several others whose quality of play matches melo's IMO

That's a bad job.

[Star-Lord]

And this goes to show you don't watch him play. He could average 9 a game, if GK didn't send him down court to try and score on the fast break. Watch some games, usually when the shot goes up, he takes off.

Right... I'm sure Melo's biggest wish is to be allowed to get into the paint and bang with the big boys for rebounds, instead of leaking out and trying to snatch an easy bucket... Damn that George Karl for not allowing Melo to rebound!

[enetric]

inefficient scorer?? Dude is a top 5 scorer in the league

so is monta ellis. both shoot too much

Name me 20 people in the league better than him.

lebron
durant
g. wallace
pierce
wade
kobe
CP3
nash
kidd
deron
rondo
billups
amare
dirk
josh smith
boozer
howard
bosh
horford
duncan
BOTH gasols
lopez

that's 22. and there are several others whose quality of play matches melo's IMO

No.

You forgot to take out Marc Gasol and if he is better than Bosh...then take out Amare as well. Id rather have Bosh over Amare.

[Star-Lord]

So that's how people get such a high post count...

[enetric]

^^Homer much?

Although I absolutely do not agree with the hyberbolic overkill Dice is spewing about Melo, your rebuttal is equally as eye rolling and who's trolling where about what? Neither of you are Nets fans, so be easy with that label...

Melo actually is an inefficient scorer, or at least he's basically averagely efficient.

He's not a poor passer, but let's cut the coach is killing his game shtick.
I hate that old tired excuse that's been used league wide for centuries.
Whenever a player doesn't do something well, or does it bad, or doesn't excel in a certain facet of the game, or isn't effective in specific situations, it's always someone else's fault.
Does the coaches style, mentality, ideals, substitutions, play calling, etc., effect a player?
Yes, certainly, but let's not make it like Melo would average 5 or 6 apg in another offense.
Let's also not confuse raw assist #'s with passing and playmaking ability.

Yes he is a good defender when he puts in the effort, but that statement in itself is telling, as is the fact he has improved tremendously on that side of the ball the last 2 seasons and at best can now be considered average or solid.

Great rebounder for his position? No. Nothing more to argue on that, he's not "great".

Solid supporting cast over the years? With the exception of maybe 2, 2 and a half seasons of his 7 year career, abso-freakin'-lutely he has had a solid supporting cast and a well above average one since the Billups trade and relative health of KMart and Nene, although I think that will be very short lived, as in they won't remain healthy this season or ever again.

Maybe you should follow your own advice and watch him yourself, just don't forget to takeoff the powder blue goggles first this time.

I already know what the comeback will sound like on this one though, I'm just a "hater".

Excellent post VCP. An enetric cookie..and a gold star. Very nice.

[enetric]

Interesting news.

http://twitter.com/chris_broussard

Neither NJ or Den been told Melo will re-sign w/NJ. Until then, Melo-to-NJ all speculation. One exec told me Melo won't sign w/NJ.

NJ may b able to convince Melo to re-sign but rt now no guarantee. Guarantee needed for NJ to pull trigger

Here's some video.

http://search.espn.go.com/chris-broussard-carmelo/

This is what I have been saying all along. Until we actually KNOW Melo would sing an extension...arguing over what we should give up...or what it would take...is moot. And the catch 22 is ...the more supporting pieces we include...the less of a chance Melo would even consider us. The only attractive things about this team right now are its young upside prospects and the move to Brooklyn. If you are Melo...do you take an extension for a year in Newark on a team that just gave away a good chunk of its talent to get you coming off the worst record in the league?

VCP has compared this situation to Bosh. I think its MUCH more like KG to Boston a few years ago. Huge contract player with leverage. If he doesnt sign an extension no deal. His current team want him out of conference. Wants one top quality young upside player, cap relief and picks. Supply and demand of teams that can give both sides what they want get in the way.

I wouldnt be surprised if the Knicks get him for Curry, Gallo and Rnadolph before its over. And people will say...see? We could have topped that! And they will quickly forget Melo has control here. So much so as the days pass...The Knicks could get him for LESS than that if in fact..THAT is his team of choice and Denver is unwilling to take their chances at losing him for nothing.

[enetric]

So broussard reports melo to the nets is speculation (without naming a source)...realgm reports on its wiretap that it came from an nba exec (which broussard did NOT say) AND netsdaily basically reports it depends melos current stance.

Unless we hear it from the horses mouth...no reason to believe anything broussard says is anything other than speculation

That goes both ways. No reason to believe we are front runners because anyone else says we have what Denver wants. The horse here is MELO. ANd he said recently....he is a Nugget this season...and has given no indication as to what teams he would do an extension with. But hinted that the off season is the off season. So Melo clearly is not buring his bridges with Denver. But Denver believes he wants to go elsewhere in the off season since he wont take the extension.

To trade him takes huge assets for the salary match alone. We know...no one is doing that unless they get an extension from him as well. Melo clearly feels he is in the drivers seat...and it would appear he is.

No reason to believe anyone at this stage. We know we have a great package of trade assets. That's good for Denver...but what does that do for Melo? Believe no one right now. Just take it all in and be amused at the banter. There is only ONE good thing about all of this. It clearly validates that we have among the best...if not the BEST stable of young talent/trade assets in the league. We dont get dragged into this conversation otherwise. a 12 win team in Newark for two years?

We are enticing because of the prospects we have added, the picks...and Brooklyn. It means we are headed in the right direction. Lets hope King doenst F it up.

[-soul fist-]

[demens]

So broussard reports melo to the nets is speculation (without naming a source)...realgm reports on its wiretap that it came from an nba exec (which broussard did NOT say) AND netsdaily basically reports it depends melos current stance.

Unless we hear it from the horses mouth...no reason to believe anything broussard says is anything other than speculation

The tweet does mention an exec.

I just like the deal being offered. Favors + 1st + expiring and thats that. (ofcourse this is only is Melo signs the ext)

I'm not too worried about it leaving us with no PFs. I guess a move like that will shine a light on just how bad or good singing Travis Outlaw was. He can play some PF but he is the center peace for a trade to get us a real PF. I'd even prefer if Denver took him and he got Afflalo back with Melo. That way we can revisit trading Twitt for a PF again.

Devin/Farmar
Afflalo/Morrow
Melo/James
-PF we get for Twitt/Outlaw-
Brook/Petro

[enetric]

So that's how people get such a high post count...

Actually most get it with posts like you just made. One random line about absolutely nothing. Usually its because they know nothing. Feel free to contribute something to a basketball conversation. Or are you to busy watching Days Of Our Lives right now. Women..

[dice]

Is this guy serious JASON KIDD

yes, jason kidd is still better than melo. does everything well, just doesn't shoot much. he amazingly has become a good 3 pt shooter late in his career. still an excellent defender, just behind CP3 for league league in A/TO ratio. and he averages a single REBOUND less than melo!

people have written kidd off the past few years because of his age and the emergence of an exciting new crop of point guards. it's kind of a natural reaction. but take a look at this:

2003-2004: 15.5P on 48.5% TS, 6.4R 9.2A 3.2TO
2009-2010: 10.3P on 57.7% TS, 5.6R 9.1A 2.4TO

your new jersey nets had a first team all-NBA point guard in 2003-2004. and the guy was pretty pitiful shooting the ball. flash forward to this past year. has he lost half a step? probably. but it hasn't hurt his game. now he knocks down the open jumper. at a remarkably high rate, in fact. and he runs an offense even better. totally underappreciated

as for melo, when he looks to score his team is LESS likely to score than when someone else takes the shot. sure, he carries a heavy load, but obviously he's doing more than he should be and it hurts his team. but hey, keep eating the melomars

[enetric]

So broussard reports melo to the nets is speculation (without naming a source)...realgm reports on its wiretap that it came from an nba exec (which broussard did NOT say) AND netsdaily basically reports it depends melos current stance.

Unless we hear it from the horses mouth...no reason to believe anything broussard says is anything other than speculation

The tweet does mention an exec.

I just like the deal being offered. Favors + 1st + expiring and thats that. (ofcourse this is only is Melo signs the ext)

I'm not too worried about it leaving us with no PFs. I guess a move like that will shine a light on just how bad or good singing Travis Outlaw was. He can play some PF but he is the center peace for a trade to get us a real PF. I'd even prefer if Denver took him and he got Afflalo back with Melo. That way we can revisit trading Twitt for a PF again.

Devin/Farmar
Afflalo/Morrow
Melo/James
-PF we get for Twitt/Outlaw-
Brook/Petro

Two problems.
1- It wont shine a light...it would hurt Outlaw's value. HE IS NOT a 4. He can slide over...but he cant play the spot full time...no way. Outlaw becomes a 7 mil per back up. It doenst shine a light...it puts his out.

2- Cant deal Outlaw until December 15th.

[NyCeEvO]

E is correct. We all can sit here and talk about how good/bad he is. This entire conversation should be based upon TALENT PER DOLLAR VALUE.

If Melo takes 3yr/45 mil or 4yr/60 mil extension, that still allows us to build a contender around him. This is the logic that many sensible fans have but players don't have. LBJ, Bosh, and Wade took less to try to assemble a championship caliber team. We need to hope that Melo recognizes that a great team can be built around him if he takes less.

The main debate should not really about his talent level. It's about 1) how much we give up in assets and 2) the dollar value of the extension. Either of these two things can kill our chances of becoming a great team or make them much greater. If we give up too much but he takes less money, we're a 1st/2nd round team. If we give up less for him, but he demands the max contract, we're still a 1st/2nd round team. We need both to be just right in order to keep ourselves in a position to get better.

I still believe that the Nets have eyes on CP3 and really want a CP3/Melo/Lopez core. But in order to do that, they would need to do what the other Big 3s in the league. Take less money to get more talent.

[enetric]

Is this guy serious JASON KIDD

yes, jason kidd is still better than melo. does everything well, just doesn't shoot much. he amazingly has become a good 3 pt shooter late in his career. still an excellent defender, just behind CP3 for league league in A/TO ratio. and he averages a single REBOUND less than melo!

people have written kidd off the past few years because of his age and the emergence of an exciting new crop of point guards. it's kind of a natural reaction. but take a look at this:

2003-2004: 15.5P on 48.5% TS, 6.4R 9.2A 3.2TO
2009-2010: 10.3P on 57.7% TS, 5.6R 9.1A 2.4TO

your new jersey nets had a first team all-NBA point guard in 2003-2004. and the guy was pretty pitiful shooting the ball. flash forward to this past year. has he lost half a step? probably. but it hasn't hurt his game. now he knocks down the open jumper. at a remarkably high rate, in fact. and he runs an offense even better. totally underappreciated

as for melo, when he looks to score his team is LESS likely to score than when someone else takes the shot. sure, he carries a heavy load, but obviously he's doing more than he should be and it hurts his team. but hey, keep eating the melomars

Love JKidd. But he is no longer better than Melo. Kidd is still better today than he gets credit for...but stop making your comments based on your fantasy league. Its killing your argument by going over board.

[dice]

Is this guy serious JASON KIDD

yes, jason kidd is still better than melo. does everything well, just doesn't shoot much. he amazingly has become a good 3 pt shooter late in his career. still an excellent defender, just behind CP3 for league league in A/TO ratio. and he averages a single REBOUND less than melo!

people have written kidd off the past few years because of his age and the emergence of an exciting new crop of point guards. it's kind of a natural reaction. but take a look at this:

2003-2004: 15.5P on 48.5% TS, 6.4R 9.2A 3.2TO
2009-2010: 10.3P on 57.7% TS, 5.6R 9.1A 2.4TO

your new jersey nets had a first team all-NBA point guard in 2003-2004. and the guy was pretty pitiful shooting the ball. flash forward to this past year. has he lost half a step? probably. but it hasn't hurt his game. now he knocks down the open jumper. at a remarkably high rate, in fact. and he runs an offense even better. totally underappreciated

as for melo, when he looks to score his team is LESS likely to score than when someone else takes the shot. sure, he carries a heavy load, but obviously he's doing more than he should be and it hurts his team. but hey, keep eating the melomars

Love JKidd. But he is no longer better than Melo. Kidd is still better today than he gets credit for...but stop making your comments based on your fantasy league. Its killing your argument by going over board.

i haven't played fantasy sports in many years. is carmelo a valuable fantasy player? he must be, because people have a skewed vision of what makes an effective basketball player

i'm attempting to back up my opinion with something other than emoticons, insults and my personal favorite "you must not watch..."

please refute any one of the points i made above

i understand that merely considering the possibility a guy averaging just over 10PPG is better than a guy averaging close to 30 makes peoples' heads explode, but it doesn't mean it's not true

[Nutty Nats Fan]

And this goes to show you don't watch him play. He could average 9 a game, if GK didn't send him down court to try and score on the fast break. Watch some games, usually when the shot goes up, he takes off.

Right... I'm sure Melo's biggest wish is to be allowed to get into the paint and bang with the big boys for rebounds, instead of leaking out and trying to snatch an easy bucket... Damn that George Karl for not allowing Melo to rebound!

Considering Melo was willing to do the dirty work for the Olympic team after having been the team's scorer, it could be reasoned he is willing to do what it takes to win. Also.. you're statement above shows how completely clueless you are. GK wants Melo and the guards running down the floor after a shot goes up, it is one of the reasons the team is a weak rebounding one. They take off before they have the ball.

Nice attempt at being funny, but you just made yourself look foolish.

[Nutty Nats Fan]

i understand that merely considering the possibility a guy averaging just over 10PPG is better than a guy averaging close to 30 makes peoples' heads explode, but it doesn't mean it's not true

The same can be said about assists and rebounds. You can't discount PPG's while not discounting the others. Melo could have a more "rounded stats" game if Gk had him crashing the boards and had an organized offense that worked through him. He doesn't, so people like you will continue to say Melo can't do anything but score.

I guess you thought a guy like AI was great at setting up team mates because he had lots of assists?