Ed Davis: no ball-related activities for up to 6 wks(p. 16)

[quickymgee]

I keep hearing people talk about Ed being injury-prone? Where the F do you guys come up with this stuff?

He broke his wrist and now he tore his meniscus, the injuries are in no way related except for them being basketball injuries.

This ain't like Oden getting up from a couch and messing up his knees. Ed hurt himself playing ball.

Not to play devils advocate but if one sustains injuries via multiple methods on a consistent bases, one can be labeled as injury prone. The relationship between the methods of injury are irrelevant.

Saying Ed is soft or glass would be unwarranted, but injury prone could be warranted if he continually injures himself via different methods.

He isn't there it though, so injury prone is not warranted either.

Yes exactly. In other words, he CANNOT be labelled injury prone. I don't know why people insist on freaking themselves and others who have a lesser grasp on rationale and the english language out

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I really hope that the Raptors trainers are looking to increase Ed Davis', and other players' flexibility. A lot of times, these athletes do heavy lifting, play lots of ball, and then chill out, take a shower and sit on the couch. They need to be doing lots and lots of stretching especially after the exercise to loosen the muscles and ligaments; otherwise, they will just end up bunched up in knots that will a) restrict range of motion and b) cause injuries down the road due to lack of range of motion/flexibility, not to mention restrict the amount of strength that the athlete can output. Either that, or take them to a Chinese massage therapist...

There are studies coming out that show that stretching doesn't prevent injuries.

[Mattd97]

There are studies coming out that show that stretching doesn't prevent injuries.

as of me graduating kin 2 years ago, there were studies going both ways. certainly there were many showing that it didnt help, some showing that it did. either way - stretching and flexibility is different. strecthing before playing might not help, but being more flexible by definition would. more elasticity to your muscles, tendons and ligaments would help prevent them from being damaged.

[dawn_wan]

stretching helps to break up calcium deposits that build up between the joint. increases overall flexibility and reduces joint pain. by flexible i mean range of movement.

[S.W.A.N]

I really hope that the Raptors trainers are looking to increase Ed Davis', and other players' flexibility. A lot of times, these athletes do heavy lifting, play lots of ball, and then chill out, take a shower and sit on the couch. They need to be doing lots and lots of stretching especially after the exercise to loosen the muscles and ligaments; otherwise, they will just end up bunched up in knots that will a) restrict range of motion and b) cause injuries down the road due to lack of range of motion/flexibility, not to mention restrict the amount of strength that the athlete can output. Either that, or take them to a Chinese massage therapist...

In here is a good article about B Griffins recovery and using basketball specific yoga to increase flexibility


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[C_Money]

I was just talking about this somewhere yesterday. Emeka Okafor used to be really injury prone but he took up yoga and has played all 82 games in the last 3 seasons. Hakeem Olajuwon also speaks pretty highly of it.

[team edward]

Missed his last year of college (a championship year, nonetheless, am I misremembering?) b/c of injury. Injury requiring surgery before start of his first NBA season. His ratio of significant injuries to NBA games played is 2:0. That equals "injury prone". Unfair? Maybe. But whether one is "injury prone" is not exactly an exact science. Is Greg Oden injury prone? It appears so, but it's not really something you can quantify (like when Brandon Roy got passed over for being injury prone but is now the best of his class). It's more a U.S. government definition of pornography - you know it when you see it (or at least you think you do). Unfortunately, he's going to have to play through a number of scratches and dents before he can shake the rep. That's just how it is. Let's hope he does.

[Harry Palmer]

Injury prone does not imply some sort of moral responsibility. It means prone to injury. In his short career at high level basketball, Davis has been prone to injury, and it was a concern voiced pre-draft. It's not a condemnation of his character. It's simply a legit question mark that in part explains why his talent level was available when we picked.

No need to be defensive. Imo he's our best pick since Bosh (relative to draft position), but that doesn't mean we need to act like the health issue is a myth.

[ontnut]

There are studies coming out that show that stretching doesn't prevent injuries.

as of me graduating kin 2 years ago, there were studies going both ways. certainly there were many showing that it didnt help, some showing that it did. either way - stretching and flexibility is different. strecthing before playing might not help, but being more flexible by definition would. more elasticity to your muscles, tendons and ligaments would help prevent them from being damaged.

Yeah, stretching before exercise I don't really believe in that much, because the amount you can actually stretch is so minimal, and the chances of you tearing something then are actually pretty high. But anyone who says that stretching AFTER exercise is not important needs to rethink how muscles and ligaments work. They will ball up and they will get knotted - that's what all these massage therapy guys are trying to fix - and it can be fixed by simply stretching on a daily basis, or at least after exercise. In this regard it will prevent injuries by increasing range of motion as well as strength.

[Randle McMurphy]

Ed Davis, for all of his talent, has the makings of an injury prone player. And that really sucks.

How on earth do you figure who has the makings of an injury prone player and who doesn't?

Generally you look at how frequently that player gets hurt playing basketball.

[anj]

Missed his last year of college (a championship year, nonetheless, am I misremembering?) b/c of injury.

N.C. won the championship in Ed's freshman year, a year in which he appeared in every single game of the season.

The injury ended his soph. year - last year - N.C. didn't even make the Tourney.

[DG88]

This whole conception of injury prone is being thrown around this thread like confetti. Ed Davis has been injured twice this year so far. Both injuries are unrelated to each other. One was a broken wrist during one of his NCAA games. This recent one was a small menicus tear. Again both of these injuries are unrelated to each other yet he's injury prone?

Let's take a look at Greg Oden, his injuries in the past three years have been leg or knee related. Since he has injured that area of his body numerous times we can say that he is injury prone. Jose Calderon as well has had significant injuries to his legs as well for the past two years. Again these injuries happened in the same area almost every time. Chris Bosh, he seems to also succumb to injury on his legs as well for the past couple of years, this deems him injury prone.

When you look at players that area prone to injury, the injury usually happens in and around the where a previous injury occurred. So to call Ed Davis injury prone is a bit short sighted. Unless Ed injures his knee or his wrist again then we can start questioning or saying that he's injury prone.

[J-Roc]

This whole conception of injury prone is being thrown around this thread like confetti. Ed Davis has been injured twice this year so far. Both injuries are unrelated to each other. One was a broken wrist during one of his NCAA games. This recent one was a small menicus tear. Again both of these injuries are unrelated to each other yet he's injury prone?

Let's take a look at Greg Oden, his injuries in the past three years have been leg or knee related. Since he has injured that area of his body numerous times we can say that he is injury prone. Jose Calderon as well has had significant injuries to his legs as well for the past two years. Again these injuries happened in the same area almost every time. Chris Bosh, he seems to also succumb to injury on his legs as well for the past couple of years, this deems him injury prone.

When you look at players that area prone to injury, the injury usually happens in and around the where a previous injury occurred. So to call Ed Davis injury prone is a bit short sighted. Unless Ed injures his knee or his wrist again then we can start questioning or saying that he's injury prone.

If a guy keeps getting injured on one of his legs, you say he has leg problems. If a guy get injured in different parts of his body, you sum it all up by saying injury prone.

Once he's back and playing we'll get a better idea of how well he comes back from injury, which is all that matters right now.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Two injuries shouldn't be considered a trend, which is why I think it's ridiculous to suggest that he's injury-prone.

If he missed time in high school (maybe he did, I don't know) than I guess you could consider that.

[ontnut]

OK how about this. Ed Davis has a short history of injury susceptibility. Better now?

[Eating a Book]

How about this: Ed Davis, in the last two years, has injured his wrist and his knee.

edit: as an aside, I'm amazed both by how little patience people have here for so many things, and by how much patience people have here for arguing absurd things like this. Seriously. Pick your battles, people.

[gerrit4]

How about this: Ed Davis, in the last two years, has injured his wrist and his knee.

edit: as an aside, I'm amazed both by how little patience people have here for so many things, and by how much patience people have here for arguing absurd things like this. Seriously. Pick your battles, people.

I would argue that since they are unrelated injuries, he should be okay. That being said, I thought that about Greg Oden too....

[Aristotle]

Injuries happen, bad luck happens but at least the kid isn't chronic. Chronic conditions are what concern people and I don't believe Davis' injuries are at this point chronic however, the meniscus issue could definitely develop into a chronic condition. The injury prone debate doesn't have a correct answer in my opinion.

[LLJ]

Let's take a look at Greg Oden, his injuries in the past three years have been leg or knee related. Since he has injured that area of his body numerous times we can say that he is injury prone. Jose Calderon as well has had significant injuries to his legs as well for the past two years. Again these injuries happened in the same area almost every time. Chris Bosh, he seems to also succumb to injury on his legs as well for the past couple of years, this deems him injury prone.

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This is one way of looking at it, but for fans the bottom line is injury prone = vast amounts of games missed.

People say Bosh is injury prone but he doesn't miss 20 games a year, more like about 8-10 which is ABOVE AVERAGE for a big man. Yeah, I know, last year, but I think many suspect he just packed it in and called it a season anyway.

Edit: When I said "above average" I meant that Bosh's games attendance rate is very good for a big man, not that he gets hurt more than average. Just to be clear.

[ontnut]

Let's take a look at Greg Oden, his injuries in the past three years have been leg or knee related. Since he has injured that area of his body numerous times we can say that he is injury prone. Jose Calderon as well has had significant injuries to his legs as well for the past two years. Again these injuries happened in the same area almost every time. Chris Bosh, he seems to also succumb to injury on his legs as well for the past couple of years, this deems him injury prone.

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This is one way of looking at it, but for fans the bottom line is injury prone = vast amounts of games missed.

People say Bosh is injury prone but he doesn't miss 20 games a year, more like about 8-10 which is ABOVE AVERAGE for a big man. Yeah, I know, last year, but I think many suspect he just packed it in and called it a season anyway.

This is quite true. For the fan, we want the guy on the court as much as possible. If he's not there, it doesn't matter if he hurt his pinky this time and his big toe next time, he's not there to play. So I guess instead of injury prone you could say, missed-game prone?