OT: Skins Collapse

[hands11]

Ok, let me rephrase.

First - You asked if I was kidding then went on to point our how hard these things are the huge.
There are lots of ways to judge a D.

2nd - Top notch may have been an over statement regarding what we need to add a NT. We do have someone who could fill that billing if he wasn't so mentally challenged with his maturity.

Keep in mind

New coaching all over the place.
New offense
New defense changing from a franchise long 4-3 D to 3-4 may take longer then two weeks.

We just went against a team many projected as a SB team and then a team who has the #1 pass offense last year with the #1 receiver coming off the week where they rushed for a million yards.

They also had a good D and we passes for 420 yards on them and we aren't even supposed to have that many offensive weapons. So maybe we have a few more offensive weapons than some thought or maybe they really suck at D or maybe it's something else.

As for it coming together. I was posting about how quickly things could come together for our offense with McNabb back there even after what we looked like against Dallas. This is not a rookie group. They are more vets then anything. Its a proven offense. Same deal with the D. They are actually playing better than you are saying but they are still tweaking it, learning it, and they just played a really really good offense.

It's a process. New coaches. New offense. New Defense

[Zonkerbl]

How hard is it to implement a rule that says you can't call a timeout with five seconds left on the play clock during a kick? I mean is it really that complicated?

Reason one to implement it: It hardly ever works so its a waste of time.

Reason two: The only time it *does* work is when you steal a win away from somebody who otherwise deserved it. Why is bad sportsmanship encouraged in the NFL?

Would love to see them implement a rule to stop this from happening.

It does need to be well thought out so it doesn't create the another advantage.

For all those years I watched football, they could have always have done this but they used to get the TOs a lot earlier in the clock.

I guess the way I see the new rule being implemented would be. If they have their field goal kicker lined up and all their lineman are down in position you can't call a time out unless the offense shifts into another formation.

This would force teams to use the TO to ice kickers in a way you used to see it and we would get ride of this last second crap where the kicker actually has to kick it twice.

I think that could cover most the bases.

That works for me. Why not?

[hands11]

Crazy. Just watching the game on tape. Amazing we lost this game.

What would the chances of winning if.

3min left in the third quarter.
You are down 27-10
You best receiver Andrey Johnston is on the sidelines with an ankle injury.
Its 3rd and 15 and your on your own 40
And the other team has been abusing your DBs and pressing your QB all day

What happens next.

So they screen to Foster for 50 something yards and a play later they score a TD
Those two plays turned the tide.

Then we get the ball back and on the first play Larry Johnson with no speed running the corner and doubles back and losses 10 yards putting us on our own 10. Portis out with wrist injury. Two plays later we punt. They get a nice return and kick a FG.

So from 27-10 to 27-20 in a matter of like 5 minutes and Andrey Johnson was in the locker room getting work done to is ankle.

Amazing

But wait, we get it back and work it down to the 10 yard line. Portis cuts back and has it wide open for a TD and falls from God nows what. Portis goes down way to easy these days. Then we get a false start Jamal Brown. 3 and 10 and McNabb almost throws a INT. FG attempt from the 15. Blocked because Fred Davis did nothing to block the corner. I mean it was a chip shot FG.

It so should have been 30-20 with 6:30 on the clock. A two score game.

But no problem. We have them pinned after a sack. 3 and 13 on the 12 and they miss. 5:13 to play.

Punt. We get the ball on the 50. Looking good.

Sellers catch for 5 clock running.
4:30 Reverse to Moss for nothing ... WTF. Why. loss of 8
3rd and 15 3:40 McNabb throws it 70 yard and misses Galloway by six inches.

Not sure what the Moss reverse was all about. They had been setting it up all day so I guess they wanted to use it.

3:10 Laron and Reed crash into each other and Laron leaves the game. Ouch. Reed is hurt also but stays in. Skins call a TO so they give Laron chance to come back in. I don't think he did. So starting FS isn't playing and now Laron is out. Not good.

3:10 Texans on their own 20. A Johnson is back in back in the game.

3 and 10 after a miss. A Johnson catches his 600th catch to the 50. He was wide open.

dump to the 35.

But they still need a TD. Incomplete pass. Next play Brain O blocks a screen.
3 and 10 just need to hold them

2:17 long pass to the corner and it is broken up. 4th down. last play.

2:11 play clock down to 1. snap. Scaub scrambles and chucks it up a second before he gets clobbered........ A Johnson jumps and catches it in the end zone. NFW.

But even with this, we should be up 30-27 if Fred Davis lifts a finger to block the edge on the FG that was a chip shot. Two minutes to go and its our ball.

If not for two easily avoidable plays, this was a win. Larry Johnson stupid double back move loosing 10 yard and pinning up on our 10 late in the game and Fred Davis not blocking the corner on the FG from the 15.

Entertaining game though.

I trust Shanahan to get them straighten out. Division games count the most in this league and there we are 1-0 and we play SL next week.

[Zonkerbl]

Yeah, gotta agree, if Larry Johnson has any value whatsoever as a backup we win this game. That sucky sucky run really sucked.

[hands11]

Yeah, gotta agree, if Larry Johnson has any value whatsoever as a backup we win this game. That sucky sucky run really sucked.

Our RBs are probably my biggest concern.

I think Portis still has something in the tank but he doesn't make that many moves and he get tripped up to easy. I can say I have totally give up on Johnson but I'm damn close. Hopefully we have a young guy who can step up. I wish we keep Parker. Maybe we can still get him back. RB has to be a main focus in the draft next year. We need a young stud.

Larry Johnson - he just seems slow. I haven't seen, nor has anyone else, anything from him.

You watch a few other teams play and you remember just how much we are missing at RB. Heck, just look at how the Texans RB moved. I watched the Monday night game and saw the same thing in Gore.

As for the D, the sample size it still to small.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/wsh/ ... n-redskins

Right now we are 8th against the run. Last week we were in the 20's. Against the pass we are like dead last but we just went against the #1 passing team last year. The offensive passing ranking also jumped from like 28th to 7th. That what happens with a small sample size.

They still have some things to get worked out. They need their starting FS healthy and they need to get Hanesworth giving them something. They should end up around 10th at D which is where they were last year only this year they are getting turnovers and can get better. They could rank higher. Health will matter a lot as it always does. Brian 0 still has upside. They could get Chris Wilson in there more. A Carter could loss the start job to him.

As for the D line, Carriker played well. Kemoeatu is solid but he isn't Hanesworth at his best. Thats the biggest problem. Hanesworth is a lot of money and talent and isn't producing enough results. Hopefully the ankle injury is for real and when he comes back he stops playing games. He is punishing the whole team with this crap.

They have good enough corners. They have above average LBs. And they have one of the best SS in the league in Landry. Hanesworth couldn't make a big difference and thats what so frustrating.

But they are still getting used to the system and gelling. I see them min at 10th with upside to around the top 5.

[Ruzious]

So D Hall isn't a good cover corner ?
Rogers is also better than you can making him out to be. He has hands of stone but he can cover.

Even though they had a horrible game playing zone, I think both Rogers and Hall are better zone defenders than man on man. Rogers just gives up too much of a cushion - which was the main reason Walters was so effective, imo. Hall - you would think he'd be better man on man because he's a small quick CB with great quickness, but I saw stats from when he was in Oakland showing that he was passed on successfully at about the highest percentage in the NFL - when he played opposide the best CB in football. He said something in preseason when he was in good spirits that made sense - This year, he can watch the QB's eyes playing in zone - which is a lot easier than just keeping his eyes on his man. He's got a better chance of making plays this way.

And with the defense depending on so many safety blitzes and Landry often lined up close to the LOS - and no good coverage free safety, they really have to play zone - because the CB's are not getting much coverage help from the safeties. Heck, London Fletcher is probably more important in pass coverage than our safeties right now - he's amazing. Hopefully, Moore gets healthy this week and helps in that area. Ftr, I love the way they're using Landry, but when he blitzes, he's got to get to the QB. He's done it successfully some times, but when he doesn't get there, we get burned for big gains.

[REDardWIZskin]

They were talking about the possibility of Torain coming up from the practice squad if LJ doesn't get it together. I could see this happening by week 6. He had the best burst of all the backs in preseason but he cant block or catch out of the backfield so Williams got the nod. what are your thoughts?
Our line doesn't have the zone blocking down yet so we need burst more than anything to squezze in three or four yards on runs atleast on first and second down.

Also our D lineman need to produce more. they are not occupying enough blockers for the linebackers to make plays. Goldston was getting up field but couldnt make plays. We need Haynesworth, I don't care for him neither do you guys but as long as he's here we might as well use him. He's the diff between a Good 12th ranked defense and a great 5th ranked defense IMO. Look at the Jets preseason film if you don't believe me, he and Orakpo on the right side cause problem against a Pro bowl left tackle and center. LT ran all over us until they started to play Haynesworth.

third and final point is Andre Carter. He is good player and solid but he should be situational. Look at the tape. He bit on EVERY play action rolling out to his side (each of which time they hit us over the middle for 20 yd gains the whole game). We defend that play effectively and it literally would cut their offensive output by about 30%. Look at the tape if you don't believe me. But you cant blame him for instinctively doing what he's been doing his whole career. He should almost never be in space. Coaches have a lot of work to do.

[pancakes3]

moral victory.

lotta talk about our defense, which i don't see as too much of an issue. we lost the game because we couldn't run the ball up the middle, and greedy playcalling when we were up big.

to counter that, we need to make non-personelle changes.

since we can't run the ball up the middle we should call more quick slants and use the RB in the passing game as alternatives to gain short yards while eating up the clock.

since we our lead WR is short and quick, and our QB is mobile and accurate mid-range, we should be rolling out more. it cuts down on the options but we have to play to our strengths. copycat league my foot.

anyway, i'm a strong believer that coaches should work with what they have instead of instituting a "scheme". i didn't like EJ and his zeal for princeton, and i didn't like flip when he insisted on the 1-guard (liked him when he adapted to the 2-guard) offense. shannahan's done a 6/10 job so far coaching but i think there are little things that he can tweak to make us better. big no-no that he's antagonizing haynesworth like this (dallas game).

[hands11]

Larry Johnson released.

LaVar is tripping over it on the radio.

My buddy say Brandon Jacabs wants a trade.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-2 ... crowd.html

Dude is a beast.

The 28-year-old Jacobs said he intended to hit the bench, but the helmet got stuck on his leather glove and sailed six rows behind the Giants’ bench. No one in the stands was injured, ESPN reported.

“I have not demanded a trade and have no plans to demand a trade,” said Jacobs, who signed a four-year, $25 million contract in February 2009. “The only demand I am making right now is of myself, to be the best player I can be and to help this team win.”

Doesn't sound like he is leaving but you can't just go by what they say.

Jacobs has scored 43 touchdowns in his six-year career with the Giants. He rushed for 1,009 yards in 2007 and 1,089 yards in 2008. He had 835 yards rushing in 2009.

http://www.nfl.com/players/brandonjacob ... =JAC705688

Height: 6-4 Weight: 264 Age: 28

That would be a power. But they need some speed.

[hands11]

They were talking about the possibility of Torain coming up from the practice squad if LJ doesn't get it together. I could see this happening by week 6. He had the best burst of all the backs in preseason but he cant block or catch out of the backfield so Williams got the nod. what are your thoughts?
Our line doesn't have the zone blocking down yet so we need burst more than anything to squezze in three or four yards on runs atleast on first and second down.

Also our D lineman need to produce more. they are not occupying enough blockers for the linebackers to make plays. Goldston was getting up field but couldnt make plays. We need Haynesworth, I don't care for him neither do you guys but as long as he's here we might as well use him. He's the diff between a Good 12th ranked defense and a great 5th ranked defense IMO. Look at the Jets preseason film if you don't believe me, he and Orakpo on the right side cause problem against a Pro bowl left tackle and center. LT ran all over us until they started to play Haynesworth.

third and final point is Andre Carter. He is good player and solid but he should be situational. Look at the tape. He bit on EVERY play action rolling out to his side (each of which time they hit us over the middle for 20 yd gains the whole game). We defend that play effectively and it literally would cut their offensive output by about 30%. Look at the tape if you don't believe me. But you cant blame him for instinctively doing what he's been doing his whole career. He should almost never be in space. Coaches have a lot of work to do.

Thats what I was saying.

At RB they need some speed. Bring in the young guy. I would even take Parker back. He looked like he had some game to me but at RB, it hard to bet youth. Is a position of reaction power and speed and they take a pounding so they dont usually last.

DT. Come on Hanesworth. Be a beast. Get with the program and stop being mental.

AT LB. Chris Wilson over Carter. Or Alexander. Carter needs to be a back up.

Thats two move that would make us a good bit younger.

I have really no problem with the D line. They are playing as good as they are but Hansworth is the most talented dude they have there and he is being a little girl and letting his whole team down. They need to take him out back and slap his ass around. Let Londan and Rapo and Landry have a moment alone with him.

But he is such a Pssy, he would probably do a law suit instead of get the message.

[hands11]

I'm not usually into what Sally write but she did well here.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 05439.html

[Ruzious]

Larry Johnson released.

LaVar is tripping over it on the radio.

I heard Lavar's rant on the radio yesterday, and it was an eye-opener on Lavar's mindset and why Joe Gibbs made the comment that he had to spend 3 times as much time talking with Lavar as he did with any other football player he's coached. Honestly, i think he has a chemical imbalance; either that or a vendetta. He was blabbering emotionally and made almost no sense. It was bizarre, because it wasn't an emotional issue. This must have been the side of Lavar that Gibbs had to deal with behind the scenes. And I usually like his show - normally he's clear-headed and makes lucid observations. I felt bad for him yesterday, because he obviously made a fool of himself and probably damaged his credibility as an analyst.

Apparently, he even followed that up with a blog spewing the same garbage that made it to the Washington Post. I didn't read it, but supposedly he took a shot at the Skins for hiring Shanny's son, Kyle. That sounded over the line, because Kyle's got a great reputation.

All this over cutting Larry Johnson... wierd. There's gotta be a problem with Lavar.

[LyricalRico]

I heard Lavar's rant on the radio yesterday, and it was an eye-opener on Lavar's mindset and why Joe Gibbs made the comment that he had to spend 3 times as much time talking with Lavar as he did with any other football player he's coached.

Lavar annoys me when he asks questions to guests because it takes him like 3 minutes to get it out after he repeats himself over and over. And then after all that the question doesn't even end up being all that insightful.

[hands11]

Larry Johnson released.

LaVar is tripping over it on the radio.

I heard Lavar's rant on the radio yesterday, and it was an eye-opener on Lavar's mindset and why Joe Gibbs made the comment that he had to spend 3 times as much time talking with Lavar as he did with any other football player he's coached. Honestly, i think he has a chemical imbalance; either that or a vendetta. He was blabbering emotionally and made almost no sense. It was bizarre, because it wasn't an emotional issue. This must have been the side of Lavar that Gibbs had to deal with behind the scenes. And I usually like his show - normally he's clear-headed and makes lucid observations. I felt bad for him yesterday, because he obviously made a fool of himself and probably damaged his credibility as an analyst.

Apparently, he even followed that up with a blog spewing the same garbage that made it to the Washington Post. I didn't read it, but supposedly he took a shot at the Skins for hiring Shanny's son, Kyle. That sounded over the line, because Kyle's got a great reputation.

All this over cutting Larry Johnson... wierd. There's gotta be a problem with Lavar.

Yeah, he is on the radio still doing it right now.

I kind of felt the same way. He needs to let it go. He is making way to much of things and just repeating himself. Almost like they are just trying to fill time on the air.

I think the timing can be called into question, sure. I thought Parker was better. But Larry is bigger so giving him some extra time to see if he could get it going is no big deal. He didn't get it done. Five carries or 50 carries. I don't think it was going to make much of a difference.

We need a instant on off the bench RB who can change it up and catch some balls. That isn't LJ. Maybe if he was starting at got 20 carriers he would warm up. But that isn't what we need. So if he can't get hot fast to add the power, lets get someone who is hungry that can add speed.

Time to addition some younger legs. Skins are rebuilding just like the Wiz are. Hopefully they can win some while they do it.

LaVar needs to chill on this one though.

[TheGreatWall]

LOL I didn't get the emotion from this move either. Maybe Lavar is secretly really good friends with Larry Johnson, and wanted to crusade on his behalf. I thought the cutting was a relatively minor move involving an over-the-hill player getting cut. I didn't think anyone would really question the FO over such a minor move, but Lavar was mad about it. Weird.

[REDardWIZskin]

I'm not usually into what Sally write but she did well here.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 05439.html

+1 Good Read. This is a good week to see what they have in Williams going against a mediocre defense. He's got to hold on to the ball though

[Ruzious]

LOL I didn't get the emotion from this move either. Maybe Lavar is secretly really good friends with Larry Johnson, and wanted to crusade on his behalf. I thought the cutting was a relatively minor move involving an over-the-hill player getting cut. I didn't think anyone would really question the FO over such a minor move, but Lavar was mad about it. Weird.

Yup, I think I figured out the connection. Larry Johnson's college was Penn State. Their birth years are a year apart, so they were probably teammates there.