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Terry Porter Wants Another Chance 

Post#1 » by The Diesel » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:25 am

Hey guys,

I read an article about former Suns coach Terry Porter yesterday in which he says he wants another chance to coach.

Just thought you would be interested since he used to coach the team...

he sting subsides, the itch intensifies and sooner or later, the sensations cross like arrows on some financial guru's graph. From that point forward, for so many NBA coaches who have been through this particular career cycle, the trauma of getting fired gives way to the excitement of getting hired, with an opportunity to resume or improve upon tactics and philosophies that were so abruptly interrupted.

The You're fired! You're hired! rollercoaster is part of the bargain for coaches. Some, like Los Angeles Clippers coach Vinny Del Negro, want and are able to get back on right away, going from the postseason with one team to preseason prep with another in one swift summer. Others, like Philadelphia's Doug Collins, go six years (Chicago to Detroit) between rides. Or seven (Washington to the 76ers).

Terry Porter is somewhere in between right now. His arrows only recently crossed. It's been 19 months since the Phoenix Suns fired him in February 2009, using him as fall guy in a season gone sideways. He had been hired the previous June to bring defense and discipline to Phoenix, only to get stuck and spit out in what became the dyspeptic Steve Kerr-Shaquille O'Neal era of Suns basketball.

Most of those involved have moved on from that relative hiccup -- Kerr back to TV, O'Neal to Cleveland and now Boston, the Suns back to their entertaining, no-starch ways -- but Porter has not. Not yet. He wants back in, interviewing for an assistant coaching job with two NBA teams this offseason. But when training camps open this week and next, he'll be watching his sons Franklin and Malcolm play football on school fields outside Portland.

"I was trying to get back in it and I had talked to a couple of different people, went through the process with a couple of teams," Porter said in a telephone interview Monday, "but it just didn't work out."

Porter declined to name the teams, but one was Chicago, where first-year head coach Tom Thibodeau eventually settled on Adrian Griffin and Ed Pinckney for his final staff hires. It wasn't that Porter needed a paycheck -- after a 17-year NBA playing career, he's more than fine financially and, besides, Phoenix still owes him another $2 million or so left from his original three-year contract. Had Porter gone to work for another team this season, the offset clause in his deal would have kept him from earning an extra dime -- he would have been doing the Suns a favor.

But after making a conscious decision a year ago to take 2009-10 off -- his first season away from the NBA since he was drafted in 1985 -- and relocating his family permanently to Portland, Porter wants back in. For reasons all unrelated to the money.

"You miss what made me get into coaching," Porter said. "You miss hanging around with the team and having a goal, fighting for that goal. It's something I enjoy, to lead a group of young men in a special game. My experiences -- and I've had just about all of them [laughing] -- can definitely shed some light for young men who are trying to make this their profession."

In the meantime, Porter is one of those sports rarities: A coach fired with a winning record. The Suns were 28-23 when they dumped him over All-Star Weekend that season, right up there on the unceremonious-defrocking scale with Stan Van Gundy being banished from Miami early in 2005-06.

Porter's Phoenix exit was worse than the one he experienced in Milwaukee in 2005, when his surprising first season (41-41, playoff berth) bloated expectations and made the Bucks' 30-52 injury-marred finish in 2004-05 seem worse.

"Each one has been a learning experience," Porter said. "Neither one of them, based on the records, I don't think was warranted. I don't like to point fingers, I was part of the process. Obviously some things I did didn't work. But one thing I'm disappointed in both of them, I didn't get a chance to finish out my contracts.

"That being said, there are a lot of guys who don't get a chance to do that."

In Milwaukee, there was disappointment in the drop of 11 victories and uncertainty stemming from Porter's lack of an extension. In Phoenix, faced with his agenda to turn a Boxster into a dumpster, there was whining in the locker room, along with ripples related to O'Neal's presence and the speculation on Amar'e Stoudemire's future whereabouts.

"The Phoenix situation was a very difficult time to try to make some adjustments. I thought we were making strides," Porter said. "When they first got Shaq, the whole premise was trying to get in position to beat San Antonio and not worry about double-teaming Timmy [Duncan]. You look at that [2008 first-round] series, they did do what they got him for. But I don't think it was a fit for the rest of the personnel."

Porter, at least in the estimation of his bosses at the time, wasn't the right fit, either. Twice. Beyond the teaching and the fun stuff, that's why he is eager to find a door back into this.

"Anybody who has a situation that doesn't play out the way they would have liked, they want to prove they're definitely capable of doing the job," Porter said. "If you feel you haven't been given a fair shake, you'd like to prove it. Like the posters say, it's the unsuccessful opportunities that really make you grow and learn and get better."

Ten of the league's 30 head coaches begin the 2010-11 season with fewer victories than Porter's 99 with the Bucks and the Suns. That includes three newcomers: Thibodeau in Chicago, Larry Drew in Atlanta and Monty Williams in New Orleans. There are other head coaches-in-waiting sitting on benches throughout the NBA -- Porter just wants to join them.

"When you sit out, a lot of times it's out of sight, out of mind," said Washington's Flip Saunders, who had Porter on his staff in Detroit. "I had approached him when I got the job in D.C. a year ago, but he just wasn't ready to make that jump. So I think it's had more to do where he became not as visible. The other thing is, when you've been in situations where you've had some success, your next job whether it's a head coach or an assistant, you want to make sure it's the right job."

Porter, 47, has no idea where the next opportunity will come -- with the threat of a lockout next summer, a team that fires a coach this season could be inclined to just move an assistant into an interim position. But he has beaten the odds before, from his days as an afterthought recruit out of Milwaukee to the smallish NAIA school, the University of Wisconsin-Stevens Point, to his hometown Bucks passing him up at No. 22 in 1985 (they took Jerry Reynolds instead).

Even as a two-time All-Star and the point guard on Trail Blazers teams that made it to two NBA Finals, Porter had people writing him off before he was done. Curiously, he played for four franchises in 17 years without ever getting traded or leaving a team that wanted to re-sign him.

"At the end of contracts, I wouldn't get signed back," he said. "It was always, 'We think your better years are behind you. You can no longer contribute to a team.' So I always went out and found a team I could contribute to."


http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/steve_aschburner/09/22/terry-porter/index.html#?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Your thoughts? Even though Porter didn't do a good job with Phoenix, perhaps things might have turned out better if more players actually listened to him and bought into his system.
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Re: Terry Porter Wants Another Chance 

Post#2 » by DRK » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:34 am

I think Porter was a good coach. But the wrong type of coach for this team. He came here and tried to enforce a slower-tempo style of play, with more emphasis on defense than offense. That same roster had just experienced almost 6 years of up-tempo, fast paced style of play, with more emphasis on offfence than defense.

Porter had a monumental job ahead of him. Not only did he have to enforce a completely different styke of play on his offensive minded players, but he also had to change the whole philosophy of the team. It was like trying to change the direction of continental drift.

I give credit to Porter for trying. But I think most Suns fans knew the scheme wouldn't be successful.
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Re: Terry Porter Wants Another Chance 

Post#3 » by The Diesel » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:39 am

I agree with you completely. To me, Porter not working is more Kerr's fault than Porter's because Kerr thought his system would fit the personnel and he was completely wrong.

There's nothing wrong with Porter's system in general, but it was the wrong fit for this team because it only suited one player. (Shaq)

Porter is not THAT bad of a coach.
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Re: Terry Porter Wants Another Chance 

Post#4 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:39 am

I liked the philosophy he brought, but it just didn't fit with our team at the time. Too many veterans and too many egos for a "rookie" coach to handle. When you come into a situation that has seen so much success the last few seasons, it's not going to start out well when the first thing you do is change the entire philosophy.
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Re: Terry Porter Wants Another Chance 

Post#5 » by DRK » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:51 am

The Diesel wrote:I agree with you completely. To me, Porter not working is more Kerr's fault than Porter's because Kerr thought his system would fit the personnel and he was completely wrong.



I respect Kerr for having the guts to try to get more defense out of this team. But I think he was a bit too ambitious by hiring Porter.
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Post#6 » by YFZblu » Thu Sep 23, 2010 2:26 pm

My two cents: Terry Porter was not a good coach while he was in Phoenix. Coaching against your teams strengths is not good coaching, at any level. However, I'm not sure he can be blamed for that, as Kerr had a skewed vision of what the team should have been IMO.

I said it then, and I'll say it now: To win with offense, one needs offensive talent. To win with defense, one needs defensive talent. The Suns didn't have enough defensive talent to win that way, IMO. Really, all they had was Raja Bell at that point, who they jettisoned for Jason Richardson. What made things worse at that time IMO is when Kerr started touting Jrich as a "Jack-of-all-trades" type player, saying that he could "guard three positions" and even suggested that Jrich would take ball-handling pressure away from Nash. Obviously none of that was really true, and anyone who knew what type of player Richardson was knew that up front. Once again, just like bringing Terry Porter in to help the Suns defensively, that move proved to be more sizzle than steak at the time. Obviously Jrich has panned out nicely, but at the time, it was disappointing to be a Suns fan considering the talent on the team.

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Edit: As I reminisce about the 2009 season, here are some notable 'lowlights':

-Seeing the ball out of Nash's hands far too often

-Boris Diaw and Raja Bell for Jason Richardson

-Suns lose to the Spurs on Christmas day. Roger Mason drains the winner after Jason Richardson over-helps on Tony Parker.

-Jason Richardson DUI

-Jason Richardson's second traffic-related incident

-Amar'e Stoudemire goes down with his eye injury

-Against Utah: Matt Barnes passes the ball to an out-of-bounds Grant Hill, leading to another critical loss late in the season, essentially solidifying the Suns failure to make the playoffs.

2010's unexpected run to the WCF was well deserved for us fans, don't you think??
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Re: Terry Porter Wants Another Chance 

Post#7 » by jc23 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:10 pm

I wish we would have got him but I think the Bulls wanted coaches who had less of a head coaches mentality.
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Re: Terry Porter Wants Another Chance 

Post#8 » by raff » Thu Sep 23, 2010 5:42 pm

As Suns fans, we obviously have a skewed view of Porter. And honestly, rightfully so. We all know what happened. And because of this, anyone considering hiring him would have to look at his stint here quite intently. He showed that he can't be a head coach in any situation. He needs the situation to fit him. Which is a little limiting for him. Like the article mentioned about trying as an assistant, perhaps that's what he should be looking at.

Either way, looking back at what happened with his time here, and how a team of respected guys in the league reacted to him doesn't look to good for him, at least in my mind anyway.
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Re: Terry Porter Wants Another Chance 

Post#9 » by WTFsunsFTW » Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:17 pm

A good coach would get his players to buy into his vision before forcing them to conform. Porter was treating veterans like high school kids. Porter was an idiot. Coaching is not about having the right "system" its about getting the most out of your team. I was 100% on the Porter bandwagon before the season started, but I was ready to dump him by December.

Could you imagine if he was still our coach?
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Re: Terry Porter Wants Another Chance 

Post#10 » by DRK » Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:15 am

WTFsunsFTW wrote:A good coach would get his players to buy into his vision before forcing them to conform. Porter was treating veterans like high school kids. Porter was an idiot. Coaching is not about having the right "system" its about getting the most out of your team. I was 100% on the Porter bandwagon before the season started, but I was ready to dump him by December.

Could you imagine if he was still our coach?


Porter was brought it because Kerr knew the need for defense. Kerr wanted the team to slow down and play a more traditional style of basketball and it was Porter's job to make that transition.

If the players don't buy into it, what can he do? He's there to bring a new style to the team. And the slow paced style is the only style he knows. He can't change the way he does his job just because the players don't buy into it at first.
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Re: Terry Porter Wants Another Chance 

Post#11 » by WTFsunsFTW » Fri Sep 24, 2010 6:27 am

Da_Reel_Kboy wrote:
WTFsunsFTW wrote:A good coach would get his players to buy into his vision before forcing them to conform. Porter was treating veterans like high school kids. Porter was an idiot. Coaching is not about having the right "system" its about getting the most out of your team. I was 100% on the Porter bandwagon before the season started, but I was ready to dump him by December.

Could you imagine if he was still our coach?


Porter was brought it because Kerr knew the need for defense. Kerr wanted the team to slow down and play a more traditional style of basketball and it was Porter's job to make that transition.

If the players don't buy into it, what can he do? He's there to bring a new style to the team. And the slow paced style is the only style he knows. He can't change the way he does his job just because the players don't buy into it at first.

I feel like you don't know you're describing a the definition of a bad coach...
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Re: Terry Porter Wants Another Chance 

Post#12 » by b-ball forever » Fri Sep 24, 2010 4:09 pm

Slowing down and trying to play a more traditional style of basketball on a roster with Nash, Amare, and J-Rich as your best players is a disaster waiting to happen, no matter how u try to spin it.

Porter might make a good coach on a middle school team for "special" kids, alltho even they might not take the collage sessions too well...
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Re: Terry Porter Wants Another Chance 

Post#13 » by Frank Lee » Sat Sep 25, 2010 9:20 am

Da_Reel_Kboy wrote:
I respect Kerr for having the guts to try to get more defense out of this team. But I think he was a bit too ambitious by hiring Porter.


Ambitious ? Thats dressing up a pig for prom night. It was the beginning of the end for Kerr.
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Re: Terry Porter Wants Another Chance 

Post#14 » by the_warden » Mon Sep 27, 2010 4:38 am

It isn't like Phoenix was his first chance. He wasn't good in Milwaukee, either.
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