Carmelo Anthony Thread (Merging)

[demens]

No one is saying that we're going to get Melo for nothing, YOU just need to understand that we have the best package to offer for Melo without including Favors or Harris, now if you're trying to contend wouldn't want to keep your best players if you can?

Secondly, I've been trying to get this point across for my last 5 posts but you can't seem to process it for some reason. Wouldn't you rather keep Harris/Favors if you can keep them whilst getting Melo and use them as another piece in order to get Paul or Deron?

Also, I hate all this BS that you guys are using saying that we should trade Favors because 'he has huge bust potential', my argument against that is that he also has a huge boom potential, see how naive that argument is? For goodness sake let them play the games first before coming up with conclusions without a shred of evidence to back it up. Lastly, he's a very attractive tradable asset, and that asset can be used to ease the trade in order to acquire a Paul or Deron.

We have the best package to offer BECAUSE we are offering Favors, if we dont that we have nothing. And you're not gonna get Melo for nothing.

As to your 2nd point, no its pretty obvious i would like to trade Lopez and Williams too along with Favors and Devin and have Melo play PG SG and Center as well. Of course i'd rather keep them, but its a fair price to pay, they are replaceable.

I just mentioned his "Boom" potential didnt I? And his Boom potential is Howard a player i consider to be on the same tier as Melo and while we can argue that, honestly, do you really....i mean really....think Favors will be as good as Howard.

[Basileus777]

Come on now, Melo doesn't have the same impact on the game as Dwight Howard.

[treiz]

I just fear a trade like this leaving us in complete no man's land.

I know all teams view assets and players differently, but if Denver ultimately gets this incredible package for Melo, how does NOH or Utah justify trading Chris Paul without getting a similar package in 2011-12 even if Paul and Williams both let it be known they are not returning?
Especially when they would literally have all the leverage because we and most other teams wouldn't have the caproom to sign either player outright?

Because without adding one of those two or a player of similar caliber to Melo and Brook, we are not going to be able to compete with teams like LAL, the cHeat, Orlando, OKC, etc.

Sigh...

incredible package?

What incredible package? They are getting an exp. and Favor (who is nothing more then a no3 pick) and a pick. So an exp contract and 2 picks. The Nets can offer exactly that for Paul.

The package is a PG with a good contract, a LOTTERY PICK, and 2 first round picks. This is the type of trade you offer to a Paul or Deron, not Melo, especially when Melo has tremendous leverage.

How can we offer this for Paul? Who else on our team has as much trade value as Favors? I can maybe understand that a Murphy and 1st rounders can get the NO management thinking, but a prospect like Favors will seal the deal 100%. If we trade Favors to Denver, we don't have that asset anymore.

[demens]

Come on now, Melo doesn't have the same impact on the game as Dwight Howard.

Why? Dwight is almost a non factor on offense. He draws double teams and thats pretty much the extent of his use, he doesnt even know how to pass out of them.

I dont see how Melo is not on the same level.

[demens]

No, that is not the package. Denver is not getting a PG so Devin is not part of the package. If you count him then count the LOTTERY PICK (DJ Augustine) that we get back in return.

Thats 1. and 2, like i said before, we dont know the details, we only know what was reported. And the report has the Nets trading ONE pick not 2.

So no Devin and no 2nd pick.

Den is getting an exp. a lotto pick and another pick. Thats what teams get for superstars about to leave.

Even Cavs and Tor got multiple pick for their guys and this was after they have already gone.

[treiz]

No one is saying that we're going to get Melo for nothing, YOU just need to understand that we have the best package to offer for Melo without including Favors or Harris, now if you're trying to contend wouldn't want to keep your best players if you can?

Secondly, I've been trying to get this point across for my last 5 posts but you can't seem to process it for some reason. Wouldn't you rather keep Harris/Favors if you can keep them whilst getting Melo and use them as another piece in order to get Paul or Deron?

Also, I hate all this BS that you guys are using saying that we should trade Favors because 'he has huge bust potential', my argument against that is that he also has a huge boom potential, see how naive that argument is? For goodness sake let them play the games first before coming up with conclusions without a shred of evidence to back it up. Lastly, he's a very attractive tradable asset, and that asset can be used to ease the trade in order to acquire a Paul or Deron.

We have the best package to offer BECAUSE we are offering Favors, if we dont that we have nothing. And you're not gonna get Melo for nothing.

As to your 2nd point, no its pretty obvious i would like to trade Lopez and Williams too along with Favors and Devin and have Melo play PG SG and Center as well. Of course i'd rather keep them, but its a fair price to pay, they are replaceable.

I just mentioned his "Boom" potential didnt I? And his Boom potential is Howard a player i consider to be on the same tier as Melo and while we can argue that, honestly, do you really....i mean really....think Favors will be as good as Howard.

1st point, look at what Chicago and NY can offer for Melo, are you telling me it's better than Murphy, James and/or TWill and 2 1st rounders?

2nd point, the point of a trade is to get the best pieces for your team without sacrificing much in order to improve your team without paying a hefty price. A way of doing this is analysing whether the team or player has leverage over the other. If you have leverage on a trade you take it, and since Melo clearly wants out whether it's this year or next, WE HAVE THAT LEVERAGE in which we can offer Denver less just so they can ensure that they can get some value in return. Look at what Boston did with KG, look at what LA did with Gasol, they used the leverage of the player in order to improve their team without sacrificing too many pieces. This has been my point, we can then use the pieces we saved up on the Melo trade and pursue a Paul or Deron. I'm not saying Harris is untouchable, I'm just saying his value as an asset can be used to improve the team that much more.

3rd point, Howard is a tier above Melo IMO. But that's personal opinion, but the way Howard changes a game compared to Melo automatically makes him better than Melo. I'm not saying he'll be as good as Howard, but his trade value seems to believe so, and I'm willing to use that value in order to heist NO of Paul, or Utah for Deron.

[treiz]

No, that is not the package. Denver is not getting a PG so Devin is not part of the package. If you count him then count the LOTTERY PICK (DJ Augustine) that we get back in return.

Thats 1. and 2, like i said before, we dont know the details, we only know what was reported. And the report has the Nets trading ONE pick not 2.

So no Devin and no 2nd pick.

Den is getting an exp. a lotto pick and another pick. Thats what teams get for superstars about to leave.

Even Cavs and Tor got multiple pick for their guys and this was after they have already gone.

Devin is part of the package because we're trading him, he's leaving NJ is the deal goes through.

If you think that DJ Augustine has the same trade value as Favors, then seriously......I mean even when Augustine was drafted and hadn't played an NBA game, he still probably had a significantly lower trade value than Favors. Favors was a top 5 pick for goodness sake.

OK, fair enough, if it's 1 pick then that's good but even then I'd rather give up a 2nd pick than trade Favors, not to keep him but obviously as I've stated many times, trade him to NO or Utah.

The Cavs and Toronto got that because they had no choice, their stars wasn't going to play for them and they realised that they might as well get some value for it. Which is what we need to do with Denver, we need to lowball them into dropping their demands or face coming away with nothing.

[Basileus777]

The stakes are higher for the Nets in this because they know that if they don't get him, he will likely end up with the Knicks. And if they want to compete for attention in NYC, that's a problem.

[demens]

1st point, look at what Chicago and NY can offer for Melo, are you telling me it's better than Murphy, James and/or TWill and 2 1st rounders?

2nd point, the point of a trade is to get the best pieces for your team without sacrificing much in order to improve your team without paying a hefty price. A way of doing this is analysing whether the team or player has leverage over the other. If you have leverage on a trade you take it, and since Melo clearly wants out whether it's this year or next, WE HAVE THAT LEVERAGE in which we can offer Denver less just so they can ensure that they can get some value in return. Look at what Boston did with KG, look at what LA did with Gasol, they used the leverage of the player in order to improve their team without sacrificing too many pieces. This has been my point, we can then use the pieces we saved up on the Melo trade and pursue a Paul or Deron. I'm not saying Harris is untouchable, I'm just saying his value as an asset can be used to improve the team that much more.

3rd point, Howard is a tier above Melo IMO. But that's personal opinion, but the way Howard changes a game compared to Melo automatically makes him better than Melo. I'm not saying he'll be as good as Howard, but his trade value seems to believe so, and I'm willing to use that value in order to heist NO of Paul, or Utah for Deron.

Putting aside who can or cant be traded (since i dont know), a package of Gallo, Chandler, AR and an exp. is better then what you suggest we offer. The only problem Knicks are running into is their lack of picks which the Nuggets require.

What did Boston do with KG? They traded Al Jeff, value wise at the time he had more then Harris and they trade 2 1st round picks. I cant find the details but one of the pick were Minnys before, they just got it back, so i bet it was a top lotto pick as well. An exp. and a few decent young players like Gomes. They traded A LOT, way more then we are offering for Melo.

Gasol trade happens once in the blue moon, its not an example to go on.

[SOUP]

Melo is not a top tier player (top 5), and KG at the time was an MVP caliber player. Not fair to compare them value-wise like that

[Rich Rane]

What did Boston do with KG? They traded Al Jeff, value wise at the time he had more then Harris and they trade 2 1st round picks. I cant find the details but one of the pick were Minnys before, they just got it back, so i bet it was a top lotto pick as well. An exp. and a few decent young players like Gomes. They traded A LOT, way more then we are offering for Melo

KG put them over the top to be a contender in a weaker East (They at the time had already traded for Ray Allen). This trade for Melo doesn't do that for us.

[Rockice_8]

I am so torn on this trade right now. Do I want Melo hell yeah I do but I'm scared we will be stuck as a first round exit every year, and that is the last thing I want. I think Harris is expendable, not because he's not good enough just that I don't see him playing an entire season and Farmar or DJ are better fits next to Melo. I think we just have to close our eyes and jump. This trade puts us in the playoffs and probably right around the Hawks level (you know good but just not good enough).

I think we should still have a ton of cap space next offseason. Rough numbers are Melo's extension is worth around 21mil plus DJ's 2.5 and we are shipping out about 13-14 mill so if we were going to have 23 mil then we should still have around 11-12 mil to spend which should be enough to land us a good PF. If there is one out there.

It's a risk but we are landing a top 10 player. I do believe he is a top 10 player. Yes when he is at his best he can take over a game and to win you need a guy like that.

DJ/Farmar
T-Will/Morrow
Melo/Outlaw
Murphy/James (stretch 4)
Lopez/Petro

How far does that team go?

[SOUP]

DJ Augustine is like a poor mans Aaron Brooks.

[60cent]

I hate to say this because i dont like the guys attitude but i have to agree with demens here.

First of all, i want everyone to remember that we are the Nets, not the Knicks nor the Heat. We are not an attractive destination. In fact, as reported, thats the reason why this proposed deal are being dragged on... convincing him to sign the extension. And because we are the Nets, we have to make a more interesting offer than most. If not, sad to say it, then we're not going anywhere.

I am disappointed with you Nets fans. If the rumor about Harris, Favors and the GS pick for Melo and Augustine is true, i would say its a good deal. Its not like we're giving them 2 or 3 picks just for Melo alone. Augustine is a young decent talent who can shoot (which we've been lacking for years in our PG position).

The era when we acquired VC and Kidd were different. This time, teams are built stronger, so we have to make an extra effort to prove that we can stay competitive with other teams. Never say never... After this, we can make other moves to make the team better, for another superstar. As long as Prokhy and his money are available, we can always make things happen.

Im not gonna bash Favors, he can become a really good player but its really something we cannot affors to wait. We have other players that are hungry to win and want a competitive team, and it showed last year. Brook was very frustrated last year and his body language showed it. At one point, he even walked out on practice.

I understand everybody's feelings towards this deal. Believe me, i was also falling in love with Favors (no homo) but we are talking about Melo here. Just think about Melo as a recruitment agency lol.

[Basileus777]

With Devin Harris going to Charlotte in proposed deal, Nets want D.J. Augustin. Yet 'Cats still reluctant to part with PG, sources tell Y!

Per Woj on Twitter.

[Rich Rane]

I like Melo too and would love to see him live at home games, but if the trade-off is 1st-2nd round exits year after year (which I honestly think this gets us) and watching MLE guys to Miami or Orlando and top picks being picked elsewhere along with us picking just outside the lottery, it really isn't worth it. The only way I could truly like this 4-team trade is if we get that one other star after to put us over the top to truly contend.

[SOUP]

The Cats holding up another deal? Shocker.

[mikhailjordan]

I'd part with Favors for Melo, for all the talk about how beast he is we just don't know what's going to happen with and I say that while still wanting to watch this guy play like a little girl wants to go to a Justin Bieber concert.

[demens]

With Devin Harris going to Charlotte in proposed deal, Nets want D.J. Augustin. Yet 'Cats still reluctant to part with PG, sources tell Y!

Per Woj on Twitter.

Cats can go **** in that case. They are lucky to even be in this deal.

[demens]

I hate to say this because i dont like the guys attitude but i have to agree with demens here.

You're up to draft btw.