Billups

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

That Pistons team was not "overratted" or "overachieved" as I read in a post in this thread!

THAT TEAM OUTWORKED EVERY ONE! You dont win a title and be overratted in the NBA. That is just not true if you watch basketball. I am a Bucks fan but I am enough of a pure basketball fan to be a bit objective and honest. If your team is good, I say it. If they are not, I will say that to. And tell you why.

They outworked and out executed every team there was, and that was a smart ass well coached team! And they had some talent. That team did not overachieve, nor were they overratted. I don't know what you are talking.

Don't start trashing Billups just because he might be gone from Denver now...Billups is a beast. Trade Billups to the Rockets for Kevin Martin and Jefferies and throw in J.R Smith and the Rockets with Ming back got a world title!

They had guys who knew how to win with your head and your heart and did battle. They were mentally tough and knew when to turn it up and when to buckle down like the Spurs. That was no fluke success. A lot of you like glamour teams and don't appreciate the 'grunt teams.'

The Pistons were into 'winning ugly' with Larry Brown. You Western Conference fans think everything is up and down the floor. It's not. They knew how to screen and roll and pick and pop with Sheed and also Tayshaun and they knew how to hold and grab and bump and wear you down and not get called for it.

I can tell you right now as a Bucks fan whose team got their ass kicked by the Pistons as I sat in the stands...they knew how to knuckle up and nudge and bump and grind it out and still whup yo tail. They were no fluke.

There was no overratting to it. I don't think any teams underestimated them either! They went back to back. In fact, didnt they go 5 straight years? How they hell can they overachieve and be overratted?

That was a tough team. Rasheed, Tayshuan, Big Ben, Billups, Hamilton. All in their prime. How is that overratted?

[easiestplayfts]

I am saying the Detroit Pistons over-achieved and GM Joe Dumars was brilliant for putting this roster togather:

Chauncey B.-playing for his 5th team and coming off the bench in Minnesota
Rip H.-was coming off the bench in Washington (remember the Wizards had Jordan as starter)
Ben W-was never drafted into the NBA..... he signed a rookie contract with the Washington Bullets as a free agent.
Rasheed W.-had a lot of on/off the court problems in Portland including marijunia possesion.
Tayshaun P- was the 23rd pick in the draft.
None of these players had large contracts either. Nobody thought they had a chance against the 2004 star-studded Lakers.

Kobe B- sure-fire HOF
Shaq O- sure-fire HOF
Karl Malone-sure-fire HOF
Gary Payton-sure-fire HOF

And not only did the Pistons win...... but Kobe's 3 pointer in game 2 stopped a Pistons sweep. The Pistons were the first team to sweep at home in the 2-3-2 format .
There is no other team in NBA history to win a championship without 1-2 superstars and no hall of famers. And the way the league is going now....GMs are piling superstars on their teams just for a chance to win a championship.

[red96]

Don't start trashing Billups just because he might be gone from Denver now...Billups is a beast. Trade Billups to the Rockets for Kevin Martin and Jefferies and throw in J.R Smith and the Rockets with Ming back got a world title!

I understand your trying to get your point across and I actually agree with you a few points. I wish it were true but that Billups trade doesn't get us a ring. Please dont get too carried away and make Billups out to be Chris Paul.

[ComboGuardCity]

Don't start trashing Billups just because he might be gone from Denver now...Billups is a beast. Trade Billups to the Rockets for Kevin Martin and Jefferies and throw in J.R Smith and the Rockets with Ming back got a world title!

I understand your trying to get your point across and I actually agree with you a few points. I wish it were true but that Billups trade doesn't get us a ring. Please dont get too carried away and make Billups out to be Chris Paul.

You're right Billups isn't CP3, he led his team to the Finals and won Finals MVP. You're underrating your own player.

[The Rebel]

I am still trying to get over the fact that Joakim Noah is being talked about in the same breathe as one Carmelo Anthony!?
WTF is that!? Is Denver's new GM that damn stupid or have the Bulls hyped Noah up that much that they think he is worth him?
I know they are not trading or thinking of trading them straight up, but the Nuggets don't want to take on Luol Deng's deal but yet won't look at the good players and good contracts on the Bucks!
You nuts. The Nets or Bucks have a better group of players then the Bulls do if you don't want to take on much money knucklehead!
Mbah a Moute, Ersan Ilyasova, Redd's expiring and perhaps a pick of Delfino, Maggette or even CDR would get it done right there for perhaps Melo and J.R Smith.
Let me go check the trade checker...but if you are going to rebuild if you move Melo anyhow, that is a good start on your frontline!
Denver new GM is clueless. What difference is Milwaukee from Chicago? Trade him where you can get the best deal.
If you are too dumb to not want Ilyasova who is 23 and Mbah who is still young and growing and a guy like CDR to begin a rebuild for a 27-28 year old Melo who is going to leave there anyways then you are a fool.
Maybe Chauncey Billups would be a better GM then this guy in Denver! Fine, then we will just keep them.

Wrong thread, but I will answer your questions. Who's to say if the Nuggets have talked to anybody. Are the Bucks going to trade Bogut? You realize the Nuggets are rumored to be looking at teams with young true bigmen, and the Bucks are not trading their bigman. So why would they be included from the Nuggets end?

As for what's the difference between the Bulls or Bucks, you will have to ask Melo, he has a twitter, and maybe he can answer that as he is said to be the one that wants Chicago. Now the idea that the Nuggets will actually do something with the Bulls, you make a good point about Deng,and many nuggets fans agree with you, you can find those posts in the Melo trade thread, fact is none of us see the Nuggets taking Deng in a Melo trade, and given the fact the Bulls have been rumored to be shopping Deng all summer, I doubt they can find anybody else worth giving up good enough pieces to get the Nuggets interested even with Noah coming back to the Nuggets. If you think the bucks are going to give up Bogut, then we can continue this discussion in the Melo trade thread, if not then there is no point, as the nuggets are not going to do anything for a bunch of tweener forwards and chucker guards.

[The Rebel]

That Pistons team was not "overratted" or "overachieved" as I read in a post in this thread!

THAT TEAM OUTWORKED EVERY ONE! You dont win a title and be overratted in the NBA. That is just not true if you watch basketball. I am a Bucks fan but I am enough of a pure basketball fan to be a bit objective and honest. If your team is good, I say it. If they are not, I will say that to. And tell you why.

They outworked and out executed every team there was, and that was a smart ass well coached team! And they had some talent. That team did not overachieve, nor were they overratted. I don't know what you are talking.

Don't start trashing Billups just because he might be gone from Denver now...Billups is a beast. Trade Billups to the Rockets for Kevin Martin and Jefferies and throw in J.R Smith and the Rockets with Ming back got a world title!

They had guys who knew how to win with your head and your heart and did battle. They were mentally tough and knew when to turn it up and when to buckle down like the Spurs. That was no fluke success. A lot of you like glamour teams and don't appreciate the 'grunt teams.'

The Pistons were into 'winning ugly' with Larry Brown. You Western Conference fans think everything is up and down the floor. It's not. They knew how to screen and roll and pick and pop with Sheed and also Tayshaun and they knew how to hold and grab and bump and wear you down and not get called for it.

I can tell you right now as a Bucks fan whose team got their ass kicked by the Pistons as I sat in the stands...they knew how to knuckle up and nudge and bump and grind it out and still whup yo tail. They were no fluke.

There was no overratting to it. I don't think any teams underestimated them either! They went back to back. In fact, didnt they go 5 straight years? How they hell can they overachieve and be overratted?

That was a tough team. Rasheed, Tayshuan, Big Ben, Billups, Hamilton. All in their prime. How is that overratted?

You do realize the only one saying anything negative about Chauncey is a Pistons fan, I hope? Most Nuggets fans understand exactly who Chauncey is, and have been watching him since before he even joined the NBA. I doubt you ever see anybody in Denver really trash the guy.

As for the Western conference, you realize for only playing up and don the court, they seem to usually win more then they lose against the eastern conference, so it can't be all bad. Although if you actually watch the Nuggets you will find, that that is the style that actually fit the Nuggets best, because they are undersized and have several great athletes but not a ton of offensive talent, they are built to run, which does not fit Chauncey's game. Fact is Billups is going to have to ask out if he wants to leave, and then more then likely he will be going to a contender for a prospect or two and draft picks.

[The Rebel]

Don't start trashing Billups just because he might be gone from Denver now...Billups is a beast. Trade Billups to the Rockets for Kevin Martin and Jefferies and throw in J.R Smith and the Rockets with Ming back got a world title!

I understand your trying to get your point across and I actually agree with you a few points. I wish it were true but that Billups trade doesn't get us a ring. Please dont get too carried away and make Billups out to be Chris Paul.

You're right Billups isn't CP3, he led his team to the Finals and won Finals MVP. You're underrating your own player.

You are both Rockets fans.

[ComboGuardCity]

I just think Chauncey Billups is a proven leader who is not a distraction.

[Hemingway]

If we get decent value in return for Melo, we still can contend with Billups leading IMO.

FO may would want to see what they can get for Melo then decide either complete do over or .......?????

Really want Carl Laundry in the deal

I agree there. I proposed a deal on the boston board based around PP or Ray going to Denver with sweetners and got flamed away, everyone thinks if melo is traded the nugs have to trade billups and go into rebuild/tank mode. But why? you have a good team. Even if not my trade idea, what about one like it ie get another star player.

[The Rebel]

If we get decent value in return for Melo, we still can contend with Billups leading IMO.

FO may would want to see what they can get for Melo then decide either complete do over or .......?????

Really want Carl Laundry in the deal

I agree there. I proposed a deal on the boston board based around PP or Ray going to Denver with sweetners and got flamed away, everyone thinks if melo is traded the nugs have to trade billups and go into rebuild/tank mode. But why? you have a good team. Even if not my trade idea, what about one like it ie get another star player.

While it is a constant theory that the Nuggets have to trade Billups if they trade Melo, I have yet to see a single Denver fan say that is the case. Most want to see what comes back in the Melo deal, and then decide at that point.

[red96]

If we get decent value in return for Melo, we still can contend with Billups leading IMO.

FO may would want to see what they can get for Melo then decide either complete do over or .......?????

Really want Carl Laundry in the deal

I agree there. I proposed a deal on the boston board based around PP or Ray going to Denver with sweetners and got flamed away, everyone thinks if melo is traded the nugs have to trade billups and go into rebuild/tank mode. But why? you have a good team. Even if not my trade idea, what about one like it ie get another star player.

While it is a constant theory that the Nuggets have to trade Billups if they trade Melo, I have yet to see a single Denver fan say that is the case. Most want to see what comes back in the Melo deal, and then decide at that point.

Thats very understandable, see what you got back and go from there. And then immediatly after, trade Billups for what you didn't get because whatever Denver gets back for Melo wont be as good as he is. Period. Aint no Granger or B. Roy going back to Denver. Its pretty much set in stone that the Nuggets will be a worse team with Melo's return package.

[Q00]

As a Pistons fan, I'd love to see Chauncey come back to Detroit. i read somewhere that after this year he could be bought out for only $3.7 mil based on some clause in his contract. And if the Nuggest go into complete re-build mode, you'd have to think they would opt for buying him out for $4 mil over paying $12 mil, when they could start Lawson instead, and use that money for something else.

If they do that, I'd sign him to a MLE deal to come back for a few years and retire a Piston.

[nbalova]

Billups to Philly for Lou Williams, Jason Kopono(exp), Thaddeus Young, lotto protected 1st.


Young has all-star potential and hasn't been given a chance to grow or even play his natural position with Iggy there. Lou Williams would be a nice backup for Lawson that can also play some minutes at the SG. Billups seems to be a positive influence on Iguodala at FIBA and Doug Collins would love to have him.

[jym85]

Not sure what the plan would be for you guys but Billups is going to be in pretty high demand even at 33 it seems

If they do just want a salary dump and picks I hope Cuban throws a Chandler, Barea, 1st rounder out there for Billups and Anderson.
He's 32 with 4 years left so I bet they wouldnt mind dumping that contract. I guess just a question of what theyd want back and how they plan on using all their expirers. I doubt they'll let them all expire without taking on some extra salary.

Kidd's play just continues to destroy us in the playoffs
Hopefully we won't get in some bidding war like what happened with Kidd. There's no way we should have given up that much for him.

Like that "Lou Williams, Jason Kopono(exp), Thaddeus Young, lotto protected 1st" deal would blow most any deal out of the water I'd want the Mavs to offer. Billups is good but not gut your roster good.

[The Rebel]

Sorry but I don't see Chandler or Berea holding much value to the Nuggets, and a late 1st is basically meaningless to them as well.

[jym85]

Their only value is being expirers....pretty much the same value they are for the Mavs

If Billups gets moved he'll probably either get traded straight up for talent or he'll get packaged with Anderson or maybe Harrington for expirers + pick or 2.

But if a team decides to go all out and give up decent young talent + picks + taking on a longer contract you would think they would no doubt get Billups. I'd prefer the Mavs not be that team tho.

[The Rebel]

You are assuming that Billups has very little value if you think the most he will bring back is expirings and a late pick or two. Last time he was trade he brought back a superstar who was putting up near career numbers, it is not out of the realm of possibilities that he would bring back a mid level prospect or two, a decent pick, and an expiring.

As for the Mavs, i really don't see any pieces that are all that intriguing for a team that would be rebuilding once they traded MElo and Billups.