Raptors Pursuing Diaw

Bassman · Post #1 » by **Bassman** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:07 pm

Article in NY Daily News says that Toronto is back after Diaw:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/09/30/2010-09-30_raptors_working_to_get_boris_diaw_from_bobcats_wont_help_nets_in_deal_for_denver.html

Basically it says they want to get Diaw, but aren't interested in helping facilitate a deal that gets Melo to the Nets.

So, is this a revisit of the Calderon deal, or something else?

MPM · Post #2 » by **MPM** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:23 pm

Bassman wrote:Article in NY Daily News says that Toronto is back after Diaw:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2010/09/30/2010-09-30_raptors_working_to_get_boris_diaw_from_bobcats_wont_help_nets_in_deal_for_denver.html

Basically it says they want to get Diaw, but aren't interested in helping facilitate a deal that gets Melo to the Nets.

So, is this a revisit of the Calderon deal, or something else?

God, I hope not, but I don't see any other trade opportunities with the Raps. I would keep Diaw and I'm not a big Diaw fan. I know some folks on this board love Calderon, but his ship has sailed. He is very injury prone, has one huge albatross of a contract and a quickly deteriorating game. Please, no.

dmutombo321 · Post #3 » by **dmutombo321** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:24 pm

Glancing at Toronto's roster, I cant envision it being anything else.

Given Calderon's contract, hopefully Charlotte declines. Theres no reaons to add additional years of expensive payroll obligation unless it enhances us enough to give us a realistic chance to improve our playoff seeding from the 7-8 range. And Calderon does not.

SWedd523 · Post #4 » by **SWedd523** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:35 pm

Diaw for Jack and Evans or GTFO

Post #5 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:37 pm

SWEDD523 wrote:Diaw for Jack and Evans or GTFO

I'd do:

Diaw
for
Evans, Banks and the Miami 1st round pick or the right to trade 1sts with them

Then say so long to Tank.

Post #6 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:38 pm

Oh - and this report is taken from the NY Daily News, which sort of blows a hole in it - right?

Bassman · Post #7 » by **Bassman** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:48 pm

Well, respectfully gents I disagree. I believe Calderon is a very good fit for this team, and would bring critical assets to our club via his passing, shooting and leadership. Yes he's a defensive liability but no more than DJ is now. Injury history? Yes, but nothing that you can say is chronic like Livingston's knee.

Only the Bobcats can know if DJ is turning a corner and showing evidence of being a quality starter. If not, they will make a move. You have to. Look at what we've got now. The knee issue is going to create issues for Liv's..I mean it's already swelling from pick up games prior to camp. Crit's might show something, but early returns don't support his emergence at anywhere near starter material. Collins is...Collins. If DJ cannot be the guy...we're in trouble.

My thinking is we drive a hard bargain to help our situation. Deal Diaw DJ and Diop for Calderon, Davis and a trade exception. Or maybe it becomes a 3-way with Jersey, with Calderon & DJ going there, Diaw and Diop to Toronto, Harris, Evans and trade exception coming here? Just trying to think of possibilities.

Fred Williamson · Post #8 » by **Fred Williamson** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:08 pm

With Ed Davis included? yes. Otherwise, **** no.

I don't want to go into the season with Tyrus and Eduardo freaking Najera as our power forwards

Bassman · Post #9 » by **Bassman** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:22 pm

BigSlam wrote:Oh - and this report is taken from the NY Daily News, which sort of blows a hole in it - right?

For what it's worth, there is a larger story with more detail on the NBC Sports website also:

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/raptors-trying-to-trade-for-boris-diaw.php

Here's info that seems speculative on the writer's part:

As for who could be headed south to Charlotte, the report does not say. Jose Calderon would be a salary match, although he has a longer term deal the Bobcats may not want. It could be a package of players such as Jarrett Jack and Reggie Evans, but again the question is how much do the Bobcats want to spend long term (Jack has three years left on his deal).

Still, the talks are going on.

SWedd523 · Post #10 » by **SWedd523** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:40 pm

BigSlam wrote:
SWEDD523 wrote:Diaw for Jack and Evans or GTFO

I'd do:

Diaw
for
Evans, Banks and the Miami 1st round pick or the right to trade 1sts with them

Then say so long to Tank.

I'd do Diaw for ONLY the right to trade firsts. No way will they do that with them being a top 5 lottery team.

-Evans, Anderson, Miami 1st for Diaw and 2nd

-Diaw and Carroll for Caleron and Davis

-Diaw, DJ, 2nd for Jack, Evans, Davis

Post #11 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:53 pm

I seriously doubt Davis would be added in any deal.

A) The Raps are REALLY high on him.
B) He is injured.
C) He looked real good at SL and a nice future compliment to Bags at the 4/5 spots.

Post #12 » by **fatlever** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:04 pm

we cannot afford to lose another big man this close to the start of the season unless it is a trade that makes us significantly better. we cannot go into the season with only tyrus, nazr and diop as our bigs. any trade of diaw for a guard has to be followed by another trade to bring us another pf/c.

SWedd523 · Post #13 » by **SWedd523** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:34 pm

I don't think Davis is enough of a defensive player for him and Bargs to play well together. They have a solid inside outside duo on offense, but on defense, they get smashed.

dmutombo321 · Post #14 » by **dmutombo321** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:42 pm

^^ I share all of Bassman's concerns regarding going into the season with DJ as the starter. And I dont like it anymore than he does. However, we differ in our opinions on Calderon. I've historically been a huge Calderon fan but, as I've stated in the past, since being injured, he really does not appear to be the same player he was 2-3 years ago when he was awarded that huge extension.

He would still be an upgrade over anything we have but it would be hard to justify taking on his salary. He's on the downside of his career already and is under contract for the next several seasons. He'll be earning $10.5 mil in 2012/2013. The only way I could see it making sense is if we were somehow dumping Diop on them to offset some of Caledon's bite on our end. And I dont think anyone wants any piece of Diop.

As far as Swedd's proposal of -Diaw, DJ, 2nd for Jack, Evans, Davis

I would be agreeable to that. Jack is not the playmaker Jose is but he's still a good one. Plus he's a strong defender and capable scorer who is younger and costs half of what jose does.

As Slam points out though, I dont think they'd part with Davis and I think that would keep a deal like that from getting done.

Jaruff · Post #15 » by **Jaruff** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:54 pm

BigSlam wrote:
SWEDD523 wrote:Diaw for Jack and Evans or GTFO

I'd do:

Diaw
for
Evans, Banks and the Miami 1st round pick or the right to trade 1sts with them

Then say so long to Tank.

I like the Diaw for Evans, Banks, and Miami 1st round pick idea. I doubt that they'll trade 1st rounders but those two expiring contracts will come in handy. I know Banks hasn't played a lot lately and I doubt that would change if he came here. Evans could start some and back up Tyrus in other games depending on who we're playing.

I don't like any deal for Jack or Calderon. If you're going to replace DJ, bring someone in that's BETTER than DJ. IMO, Jack nor Calderon are. I'm a DJ skeptic myself but I'd prefer to give DJ the reigns then commit long-term to a mediocre PG, especially after giving up dear Felton this off-season for nothing. If DJ doesn't work out, resign Felton in two years.

My ideal trade would be Diaw for Evans and the Miami pick and let Toronto cover Diaw's salary under their Bosh TPE. If you're going to trade Diaw (an important part of our system), go for a considerable upgrade over DJ OR go for expiring contracts so we can prevent another Chandler for Dampier trade next season.

No Jack, no Calderon. It's that simple. Don't throw Toronto a bone by taking their crap.

captaincrunk · Post #16 » by **captaincrunk** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:00 pm

Jaruff wrote:
BigSlam wrote:
SWEDD523 wrote:Diaw for Jack and Evans or GTFO

I'd do:

Diaw
for
Evans, Banks and the Miami 1st round pick or the right to trade 1sts with them

Then say so long to Tank.

I like the Diaw for Evans, Banks, and Miami 1st round pick idea. I doubt that they'll trade 1st rounders but those two expiring contracts will come in handy. I know Banks hasn't played a lot lately and I doubt that would change if he came here. Evans could start some and back up Tyrus in other games depending on who we're playing.

I don't like any deal for Jack or Calderon. If you're going to replace DJ, bring someone in that's BETTER than DJ. IMO, Jack nor Calderon are. I'm a DJ skeptic myself but I'd prefer to give DJ the reigns then commit long-term to a mediocre PG, especially after giving up dear Felton this off-season for nothing. If DJ doesn't work out, resign Felton in two years.

My ideal trade would be Diaw for Evans and the Miami pick and let Toronto cover Diaw's salary under their Bosh TPE. If you're going to trade Diaw (an important part of our system), go for a considerable upgrade over DJ OR go for expiring contracts so we can prevent another Chandler for Dampier trade next season.

No Jack, no Calderon. It's that simple. Don't throw Toronto a bone by taking their crap.

I like Jack more than Calderon, but it's true that he isn't really top of the line by any definition. He'd come off the bench for most playoff teams.

countryboi · Post #17 » by **countryboi** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:29 pm

no better to way to attract raptors than to talk about Toronto....i really dont want anyone on their roster not named jack

doc.end · Post #18 » by **doc.end** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:30 pm

I could imagine a trade:

we send Diaw
Toronto sends picks

since we can draft at all, third team is needed

something like Cleveland getting picks and sending Varejao to us; simply getting a big for Diaw

Post #19 » by **BigSlam** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:31 pm

I said it at the start of the summer when we let Felts go - I can still see us trading Diaw for TJ Ford just to get out of the extra year of his contract.

Then they'll trade DJ for a PF to back up T2.

Battery · Post #20 » by **Battery** » Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:36 pm

countryboi wrote:no better to way to attract raptors than to talk about Toronto....i really dont want anyone on their roster not named jack

I don't want anyone on their roster, not even Jack. I'd much rather save our few remaining trade chips for something else. Toronto and their crappy roster needs to just quietly fade away.